Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:48:02 +
"Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:17:56 +0400
| * have some insane paranoid conviction that Freenode staff are the
| ones busy spying on everything they say, whilst con
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:17:56 +0400
Ivan Chernyavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Recently I've subscribed to this list because I thought this is the
right way to start being involved in Gentoo development process --- I
thought technical discussions are of most importance her
Samuli Suominen wrote:
I don't know about you, but when a package can't be stabled because
it's depending on Python 2.5 and current stable is broken I'd like
to start reverting stable keywords back to ~arch as noone wants to
maintain broken junk. Latest being app-cdr/gtkcdlabel, and
media-video/g
Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> * dismiss any technical criticism as being a 'corner case'.
And not appreciate that addressing the 'corner cases' is very important
and not to be dismissed. I have been a software developer (though not a
Gentoo one) for 30 years, and learnt that lesso
I don't know about you, but when a package can't be stabled because
it's depending on Python 2.5 and current stable is broken I'd like
to start reverting stable keywords back to ~arch as noone wants to
maintain broken junk. Latest being app-cdr/gtkcdlabel, and
media-video/gaupol. Perhaps it should
Jan Kundrát wrote:
The GDP has zero control over /proj/en/releng (well, in fact any
developer can commit to that area, but you generally aren't supposed to
change a project's web page without their approval). This document is
maintained by releng.
Ok
Additionally, if you really expect any ac
Jeroen Roovers wrote:
PS: I wanted to respond to many more of your comments, but then I
always thought: who is this man anyway and does he perhaps contribute
to Gentoo in some obscure way? Now I tend to think you don't.
David seems to be a PMS contributor [1].
Cheers,
-jkt
[1] http://git.over
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 01:11:18 +0200
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:42:51 +0100
> > Mike Auty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> And yet still you keep fighting? Why?
> >
> > Because unlike pretty much everyone else around here, I haven't
> > given up on Gentoo. I still think
Luca Barbato wrote:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/#doc_chap5
"The latest release of Gentoo Linux is:
"Gentoo Linux 2007.0 for Alpha, AMD64, HPPA, IA64, MIPS, PPC, S390,
SH, SPARC, and x86 architectures. "
Good point, doc team please update those places.
The GDP has zero control over
Hi,
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:42:51 +0100
> Mike Auty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> And yet still you keep fighting? Why?
>>
>
> Because unlike pretty much everyone else around here, I haven't given
> up on Gentoo. I still think it can have a future.
>
If you re
Benedikt Morbach wrote:
retired and work on an alternative package manager and a certain
dokument where they try to set gentoo standards from the outside.
Please stop spreading FUD about PMS forcing some standards over Gentoo.
Get your facts straight before commenting any further, thanks.
Ch
On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:42:51 +0100
Mike Auty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And yet still you keep fighting? Why?
Because unlike pretty much everyone else around here, I haven't given
up on Gentoo. I still think it can have a future.
> What do you *need* from Gentoo that you can't get for yourself?
On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 22:48:02 +
"Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> | On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:17:56 +0400
> | * have some insane paranoid conviction that Freenode staff are the
> | ones busy spying on everything they say, whilst conveniently
> | forg
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:17:56 +0400
| * have some insane paranoid conviction that Freenode staff are the ones
| busy spying on everything they say, whilst conveniently forgetting to
| notice that Gentoo's own infra team and cu
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| And in amongst all of this, if you fight really really hard, you might,
| after several months and a whole lot of people trying to kill you,
| eventually get agreement upon some very minor technical point that's
| necessary to
Regardless of the points being made or their validity, this is the
long-standing problem with Gentoo: excessive pride and ego and too
little inability to cooperate internally, much less externally. Too
many people are treating every discussion (turned argument) as
life-or-death and are unwilling t
++ first posts
People keep trolling and there is none to make them stop and that's
sad to watch happening for years.
I'd like to involve also thats y i subscribed but really whats the
motivation to do so?
Feels like all those discussions with users that have been made last
year have been just wast
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:17:56 +0400
Ivan Chernyavsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Recently I've subscribed to this list because I thought this is the
> right way to start being involved in Gentoo development process --- I
> thought technical discussions are of most importance here.
You are sadly mi
Benedikt Morbach schrieb:
++
I'm a user too and I really find it annoying that one can't read this
list to keep up with recent development, without digging to tons of
FUD, insults and other crap.
I personally came to the conclusion that it is best to simply ignore
all mails from certain people (
++
I'm a user too and I really find it annoying that one can't read this
list to keep up with recent development, without digging to tons of
FUD, insults and other crap.
I personally came to the conclusion that it is best to simply ignore
all mails from certain people (hint: Most of them were forc
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008, Ivan Chernyavsky wrote:
Dear Gentoo developers,
I am a grateful Gentoo user, I'm pretty happy with Gentoo and already have five
installations of it, including one running a pilot project at my work.
I started working with Linux 6 years ago and came through RH-SuSE-Ubuntu.
N
On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:45:45 +
"Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The userrel team has decided to request a 5 day ban to the -dev ml for
> rbrown for his repeated misbehaviour, as noticed above, and that' now
> in place.
It's good to see the userrel team is active. Will
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Arun Raghavan wrote:
| On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Richard Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot
|
| This is the second time in 8 days that you are doing this. Please stop
| filling our inboxes with this puerile t
Dear Gentoo developers,
I am a grateful Gentoo user, I'm pretty happy with Gentoo and already have five
installations of it, including one running a pilot project at my work.
I started working with Linux 6 years ago and came through RH-SuSE-Ubuntu.
None of them (except maybe SuSE 9.0 for some time
On Thursday 19 June 2008 18:06:17 Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> In this case the attacks seem to be targeting a person who has been
> attacking an entire ~300 person project for a few years now.
Is it considered acceptable to attack someone as long as the attacker thinks
they deserve it?
> I honestly
On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 18:28 +0100, Robert Bridge wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:11:11 +0100
> Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday 19 June 2008 02:43:12 Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > > Nope. What I see as a problem is that the primary author and
> > > current de facto maintai
On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:11:11 +0100
Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 19 June 2008 02:43:12 Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > Nope. What I see as a problem is that the primary author and
> > current de facto maintainer is so much of an asshole that he was
> > forcibly removed from th
On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:06:21 +0100
David Leverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The reason has already been explained multiple times, kindly stop
> with the personal attacks and silly conspiracy theories.
In this case the attacks seem to be targeting a person who has been
attacking an entire ~300
On Donnerstag, 19. Juni 2008, Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:20:10 +0100
>
> David Leverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What's to stop an application from loading a "normal" library using
> > libtool's dlopen wrapper (perhaps so it can fail gracefully if the
> > library is missin
On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:20:10 +0100
David Leverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's to stop an application from loading a "normal" library using
> libtool's dlopen wrapper (perhaps so it can fail gracefully if the
> library is missing, for example)?
That's a pretty basic definition of a plugin.
Olivier Crête a écrit :
FOSS is the keyword here... the flash plugin dlopens a bunch of stuff
While I haven't checked, I doubt that it uses libltdl to do so :)
also kde-3.5 is using libtools dlopen for plugins
Yep, but then again, it's for plugins. The real problem is with static
linking :
On 2008-06-19 18:32, Nirbheek Chauhan uttered these thoughts:
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Patrick Börjesson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 2008-06-19 04:09, George Prowse uttered these thoughts:
> >> In the end, PMS is just a way for them to spread their own agenda and force
> >> it on
Am Donnerstag, 19. Juni 2008 16:22:19 schrieb Olivier Crête:
> On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 14:08 +0200, Rémi Cardona wrote:
> > > Why only plugins? What's to stop an application from loading a
> > > "normal" library using libtool's dlopen wrapper (perhaps so it can fail
> > > gracefully if the library i
Peter Volkov wrote:
> ? ???, 17/06/2008 ? 09:48 +0200, Tiziano Müller ?:
>> http://dev.gentoo.org/~dev-zero/glep/glep-glep.txt
>
> ?Your GLEP describes only two possible types: Technical and
> Organizational.
Yes.
> At the same time type of your GLEP is informational.
I can't use the new typ
On Thu, 2008-06-19 at 14:08 +0200, Rémi Cardona wrote:
> > Why only plugins? What's to stop an application from loading a "normal"
> > library using libtool's dlopen wrapper (perhaps so it can fail gracefully
> > if
> > the library is missing, for example)?
>
> Nothing per se, but I have yet
On Thursday 19 June 2008 14:52:01 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> "oh noes, too many posts with the same 3 people replying everywhere
> and spreading their minority irrelevant opinion as though it really
> mattered! What a gargantuan waste of time and energy11!~"
If you disagree with people's opinio
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 6:51 PM, Richard Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot
This is the second time in 8 days that you are doing this. Please stop
filling our inboxes with this puerile trolling.
Devrel team: I do appreciate that the Gentoo Way has been to keep t
В Втр, 17/06/2008 в 09:48 +0200, Tiziano Müller пишет:
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~dev-zero/glep/glep-glep.txt
Your GLEP describes only two possible types: Technical and
Organizational. At the same time type of your GLEP is informational. How
this could be? What happens with informational GLEPs?
W
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 6:56 PM, David Leverton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 19 June 2008 14:19:32 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 6:40 PM, David Leverton
>> > On Thursday 19 June 2008 14:02:13 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> >> The point is that their replies to the maili
On Thursday 19 June 2008 14:19:32 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 6:40 PM, David Leverton
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thursday 19 June 2008 14:02:13 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> >> The point is that their replies to the mailing list waste a lot of
> >> time and energy since
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 14:19, Nirbheek Chauhan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 6:40 PM, David Leverton
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Thursday 19 June 2008 14:02:13 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>>> The point is that their replies to the mailing list waste a lot of
>>> time and
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 6:40 PM, David Leverton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 19 June 2008 14:02:13 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
>> The point is that their replies to the mailing list waste a lot of
>> time and energy since people will *always* reply to them.
>
> Replies? On a mailing list?
В Втр, 10/06/2008 в 21:10 -0700, Brian Harring пишет:
> So... someone other then ciaran have a comment?
>From ebuild developer point of view there is no difference if eapi is a
variable of a function call. If changing eapi to a function call makes
sourcing of ebuilds more sane, then it's good to h
On Thursday 19 June 2008 14:02:13 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
> The point is that their replies to the mailing list waste a lot of
> time and energy since people will *always* reply to them.
Replies? On a mailing list? Whatever is the world coming to?
> I completely agree. They should stop pushing
On 2008-06-19 00:46, vinod kumar uttered these thoughts:
> I am geting this error when I login to my gentoo uml & it becomes very
> difficult to stop any service. I am able to ssh into this uml from the host
> without any errors.
>
> Any idea how to turn the job control back on...? I have google
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Patrick Börjesson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2008-06-19 04:09, George Prowse uttered these thoughts:
>> In the end, PMS is just a way for them to spread their own agenda and force
>> it on both the developers and the users so maybe it would be best for all
>> i
On 2008-06-19 04:09, George Prowse uttered these thoughts:
> In the end, PMS is just a way for them to spread their own agenda and force
> it on both the developers and the users so maybe it would be best for all
> if paludis and it's developers were to concentrate on making paludis for a
> diff
On Thursday 19 June 2008 13:08:09 Rémi Cardona wrote:
> David Leverton a écrit :
> > Not for library consumers that use libtool but not pkgconfig.
>
> I'd be in favor of having a _default_ configuration for Gentoo where
> static binaries are never built except for some key packages (mainly for
> re
David Leverton a écrit :
Not for library consumers that use libtool but not pkgconfig.
I'd be in favor of having a _default_ configuration for Gentoo where
static binaries are never built except for some key packages (mainly for
rescue situations).
That way, in a dynamic-lib only system, l
On Thursday 19 June 2008 02:43:12 Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> Nope. What I see as a problem is that the primary author and current
> de facto maintainer is so much of an asshole that he was forcibly
> removed from the Gentoo project, which PMS is supposed to be written
> for, and has ostracized (at
On Thursday 19 June 2008 11:39:44 Luca Barbato wrote:
> Corner cases as usual...
What's that supposed to mean?
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David Leverton wrote:
On Thursday 19 June 2008 10:36:12 Luca Barbato wrote:
1 getting static libraries (pkg-config replaces this use)
Not for library consumers that use libtool but not pkgconfig.
2 load plugins using libtool support
Why only plugins? What's to stop an application from loa
On Thursday 19 June 2008 10:36:12 Luca Barbato wrote:
> 1 getting static libraries (pkg-config replaces this use)
Not for library consumers that use libtool but not pkgconfig.
> 2 load plugins using libtool support
Why only plugins? What's to stop an application from loading a "normal"
library
David Leverton wrote:
On Thursday 19 June 2008 08:51:15 Luca Barbato wrote:
We could either pick a week and do a major ebuild update to remove .la
files when unnecessary or just append a notice about revdep rebuild.
How do you decide when they're unnecessary?
.la are used for :
1 getting st
On Thursday 19 June 2008 08:51:15 Luca Barbato wrote:
> We could either pick a week and do a major ebuild update to remove .la
> files when unnecessary or just append a notice about revdep rebuild.
How do you decide when they're unnecessary?
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Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 18
Jun 2008 18:43:12 -0700:
> Quite frankly, I'd prefer see Gentoo
> take control over the specification that defines the most important
> single feature of Gentoo and remove the non-Gentoo developers from its
On Thursday 19 June 2008 08:46:02 Luca Barbato wrote:
> David Leverton wrote:
> > On Thursday 19 June 2008 04:09:26 George Prowse wrote:
> >> In the end, PMS is just a way for them to spread their own agenda
> >
> > Lies and FUD.
>
> No
Yes.
> ...are you issuing a press release for exherbo?
What
On Thursday 19 June 2008 08:44:41 Luca Barbato wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 12:22 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote:
> >> Care to share the logic and wise reasoning ?
> >
> > [ "${IDEA_ORIGIN}" != "Ciaran" ] && die
>
> I tend to agree.
The reason has already been explained mu
On Thursday 19 June 2008 08:41:34 Luca Barbato wrote:
> > The point is to avoid breaking Portage versions that users might
> > reasonably be using, even if only briefly. Do you really expect /all/
> > users doing a new installation to choose the scary beta instead of the
> > nice safe release?
>
>
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On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:39 AM, George Prowse wrote:
> ++
>
> It's about time someone said this and I honestly think that lots of
> developers will be thinking the same.
++
I'm not a developer, but I'm a Gentoo Summer of Code student[0] so
maybe my
Alexis Ballier wrote:
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:18:19 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò) wrote:
libogg and popt are now masked, and they'll wait a bit before return
to ~arch that way.
2 months later, any news on this ? I've been using the unmasked
versions so long; are we going
Hi,
I am geting this error when I login to my gentoo uml & it becomes very
difficult to stop any service. I am able to ssh into this uml from the host
without any errors.
Any idea how to turn the job control back on...? I have googled for couple of
days in vain. please help me ..
Vinod
David Leverton wrote:
On Thursday 19 June 2008 04:09:26 George Prowse wrote:
In the end, PMS is just a way for them to spread their own agenda
Lies and FUD.
No
maybe it would be best for all if paludis and it's developers were to
concentrate on making paludis for a different distro. Trolli
Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 12:22 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote:
David Leverton wrote:
On Friday 13 June 2008 11:10:46 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
Interesting to note, however, that Paludis doesn't accept inline
comments, and this behaviour predates PMS.
There's a reason for Paludis
David Leverton wrote:
On Thursday 19 June 2008 01:23:33 Chris Gianelloni wrote:
Considering that the "most recent official release" is 2008.0_beta2, I
don't see where you have a point, at all.
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/#doc_chap5
"The latest release of Gentoo Linux is:
"Gentoo Lin
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