On Friday 13 June 2008 02:13:19 David Leverton wrote:
> The pkgcore was (or should have been) highly obvious to anyone who had
> so much glanced at the offending code.
Good behaviour
Hey - I found this bug in your code.
Here's a patch!
Bad behaviour
Hey guys - stop using Foo as it has a highly ob
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 10:56 AM, Ciaran McCreesh
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
>> I _honestly_ do not understand why there is so much trouble in simple
>> cooperation amongst adults.
>
> I agree entirely. Why the pkgcore people refuse to do basic automated
> tests is completely beyond me.
This
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 21:40:28 +0200
Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > * ordering for _pre is wrong.
>
> hm?
foo-0.26-live would become foo-0.26_pre1, which would be < 0.26. This
is clearly wrong.
> > * How are you planning to handle reinstalls? Should installing world
> > always reinsta
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 09:30:54 +0530
"Arun Raghavan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And why do you have to be plain insulting about it? Nobody can
> magically spot every single bug in any piece of code presented to
> them. In fact it's why the "given enough eyes ..." adage is one of the
> bases of open
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 22:39:13 +0200
Jan Kundrát <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The only commit from rane that I see is [1], which removes "spb" as a
> maintainer. As far as I can tell, this is not a vandalizing, but a
> completely legitimate status update which was triggered by spb's
> retirement.
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 6:43 AM, David Leverton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/6/13 Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> In this instance, it's the "pulling teeth" to get info on a claimed known
>> bug from PMS folks on pkgcore, while at the same time, complaints about
>> the non-clarity of PMS is met
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 01:14:21PM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> TeX isnt a format that integrates with Gentoo. should just convert it to
> docbook and be done with this garbage.
I've not looked, but is anyone aware of a simple way to integrate this
doc into the gentoo web hierarchy?
Pdf's ar
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:09:43AM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> On 04:11 Wed 11 Jun , Brian Harring wrote:
> > if the running of it satisfys the councils requirements of a *neutral*
> > standard, if the proposed spec actually meets said standards,
>
> Anyone working on a package manager (a
Thomas Anderson wrote:
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:11:51PM +0100, George Prowse wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:34:56 -0400
Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'd honestly like to see an official PMS project page i.e.
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/pms/
There's http:
2008/6/13 Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> In this instance, it's the "pulling teeth" to get info on a claimed known
> bug from PMS folks on pkgcore, while at the same time, complaints about
> the non-clarity of PMS is met with remarks (by the same group of people)
> of (paraphrased) "filed a patch ye
Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
excerpted below, on Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:42:34 +:
> Umm... pardon me for speaking my mind a bit here, and nothing personal,
> particularly since I have the utmost respect for the talent and skills
> of the people involved, but after seeing a
David Leverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 12
Jun 2008 22:58:26 +0100:
> On Thursday 12 June 2008 22:21:48 Wernfried Haas wrote:
>> Agreed, if this is the way PMS is done, we should either get rid of it
>> or do it differently.
>> The current status as p
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 07:02:52AM -0400, Thomas Anderson wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 07:16:05PM -0700, Brian Harring wrote:
> I'm not quite sure how you're trying to present this, but are you really
> trying to say that EAPI 1 isn't documented? I myself found this in
> pms.pdf in 2 minutes(it
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:39:21AM +0200, Fernando J. Pereda wrote:
>
> On 12 Jun 2008, at 04:16, Brian Harring wrote:
> >
> >Why the exherbo/paludis/PMS folk decided to go this route to report,
> >I'm not quite sure aside from assuming they're just griefers.
>
> s-exherbo/paludis/PMS-pkgcore-g a
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:11:51PM +0100, George Prowse wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:34:56 -0400
>> Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> I'd honestly like to see an official PMS project page i.e.
>>> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/pms/
>> There's http://www.gen
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Samuli Suominen schrieb:
>>> - xdg-icon-resource install --> let it run? - or disable it (and
>>> replace it by what)?
>
> unsure (as i've neved touched it) but i'd say if it respects DESTDIR and
> doesn't have any file-collisions when installing, let
Alec Warner wrote:
I believe the biggest problem with this list is you have a long list
of wants but seem to not want to do any of the work yourself.
For the folks making the requests; are you working on doing any of them
yourself?
I will =)
Otherwise your suggestions are mere recommendation
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:34:56 -0400
Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'd honestly like to see an official PMS project page i.e.
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/pms/
There's http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/pms.xml . Unfortunately, rane
decided to go and vandalise i
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:32:35 +0100
George Prowse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
If the bickering is stopping development then maybe it should be
given to a 3rd party to complete and have the last word.
Considering third parties have at best contributed a few small patches,
I
On Thursday 12 June 2008 22:21:48 Wernfried Haas wrote:
> Agreed, if this is the way PMS is done, we should either get rid of it
> or do it differently.
> The current status as presented here is inacceptable.
Could someone please explain what's wrong with PMS, other than "needs moar
XML" and "I h
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Doug Goldstein wrote:
>>
>> Doug Goldstein wrote:
>>>
>>> Brian Harring wrote:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 03:06:17AM +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
>
> This is your one-day friendly reminder ! The monthly
Doug Goldstein wrote:
Doug Goldstein wrote:
Brian Harring wrote:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 03:06:17AM +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
This is your one-day friendly reminder ! The monthly Gentoo Council
meeting is tomorrow in #gentoo-council on irc.freenode.net. See the
channel topic for the exa
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 09:36:18AM +0200, Markus Ullmann wrote:
> After investing more than two hours to just read the Mails that popped up
> yesterday regarding this stuff, I'd say we can't really take this serious.
> The PMS maintainers were withholding information on compatibility issues
> th
Doug Goldstein wrote:
Brian Harring wrote:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 03:06:17AM +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
This is your one-day friendly reminder ! The monthly Gentoo Council
meeting is tomorrow in #gentoo-council on irc.freenode.net. See the
channel topic for the exact time (but it's proba
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:34:56 -0400
Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'd honestly like to see an official PMS project page i.e.
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/pms/
There's http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/pms.xml . Unfortunately, rane
decided to go and vandalise i
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:34:56 -0400
Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'd honestly like to see an official PMS project page i.e.
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/pms/
There's http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/pms.xml . Unfortunately, rane
decided to go and van
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 12:14:00 -0700
Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > No, I was told to remove kdebuild-1 from the version sent to the
> > Council for approval. Doing so is just a case of toggling a switch
> > in PMS.
> >
> > Also, until they were all mysteriously fired, Gentoo's KDE p
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:34:56 -0400
Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd honestly like to see an official PMS project page i.e.
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/pms/
There's http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/qa/pms.xml . Unfortunately, rane
decided to go and vandalise it for some reason and
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:05:01 +0200
Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Just for fun I took some of the ideas about alternative management of
the issue and specified the features it makes it worth changing
(better management and automated snapshot generation from the l
Brian Harring wrote:
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 03:06:17AM +, Mike Frysinger wrote:
This is your one-day friendly reminder ! The monthly Gentoo Council
meeting is tomorrow in #gentoo-council on irc.freenode.net. See the
channel topic for the exact time (but it's probably 2000 UTC).
If you
On 19:03 Thu 12 Jun , Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:14:21 -0400
> Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thursday 12 June 2008, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > > On 04:11 Wed 11 Jun , Brian Harring wrote:
> > > > Reiterating the early request, I'd like the council to
Tue, 10 Jun 2008 23:27:26 +0200
René 'Necoro' Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti:
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> René 'Necoro' Neumann schrieb:
> > Hi list,
> >
> > I'm currently trying to update an ebuild (x11-misc/zim) to a new
> > version. The old one uses a patch to
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 18:32:35 +0100
George Prowse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If the bickering is stopping development then maybe it should be
> given to a 3rd party to complete and have the last word.
Considering third parties have at best contributed a few small patches,
I don't see that getting
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:14:21 -0400
Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 12 June 2008, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > On 04:11 Wed 11 Jun , Brian Harring wrote:
> > > Reiterating the early request, I'd like the council to please
> > > discuss the current status of PMS,
> >
> > Peo
On Thursday 12 June 2008 18:14:21 Mike Frysinger wrote:
> he was told to remove kdebuild-1 from the repo and this has yet to happen
I just checked the April meeting log, and while I admit I didn't read every
word from start to finish, all I could see was that kdebuild couldn't be in
the final, o
Luca Barbato wrote:
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Package manager maintainers refusing to do basic testing before
claiming support for a new EAPI has very messy consequences. If package
manager maintainers aren't going to do the responsible thing, the whole
point of EAPIs is lost.
Thats a circular ar
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:14 PM, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 12 June 2008, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>> On 04:11 Wed 11 Jun , Brian Harring wrote:
>> > Reiterating the early request, I'd like the council to please discuss
>> > the current status of PMS,
>>
>> People act
On 17:11 Fri 06 Jun , Marius Mauch wrote:
> It's not about "forcing" anyone to do something but giving people enough
> information on how to implement it _if they choose to do so_. With the
> current GLEP they'd have to make arbitrary decisions if e.g. a flag is
> defined in both use.local.desc
On Thursday 12 June 2008, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> On 04:11 Wed 11 Jun , Brian Harring wrote:
> > Reiterating the early request, I'd like the council to please discuss
> > the current status of PMS,
>
> People actually working on the PMS would be better-placed to discuss its
> current status, i
On 04:11 Wed 11 Jun , Brian Harring wrote:
> Reiterating the early request, I'd like the council to please discuss
> the current status of PMS,
People actually working on the PMS would be better-placed to discuss its
current status, if by that you mean progress toward an approved spec.
The
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Donnie Berkholz wrote:
| On 14:52 Thu 05 Jun , Samuli Suominen wrote:
|> # Samuli Suominen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (05 Jun 2008)
|> # Masked for removal in ~30 days by treecleaners.
|> # Replaced by USE libffi in sys-devel/gcc. Bug 163724.
|> dev-libs
Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
"Łukasz Damentko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Nominations for the Gentoo Council 2008/2009 are open now and will be
open for the next two weeks (until 23:59 UTC, 18/06/2008).
I wish to nominate Halcy0n, Cardoe and leio.
I'll accept my nomination. I
Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 05:20:47PM +0900, Takashi Yoshii wrote:
>> I want sh to be supported more, and to be released officially in future.
>> Currently, it doesn't have stable profile, and no 2008.0 release
>> (not even as an experimental), though.
> Seeing your employer
Takashi Yoshii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted
[EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Thu, 12 Jun 2008
17:20:47 +0900:
> I've got nothing to BTS so far, because my trial was so successful. So,
> maybe I should...
> - Test more packages of "sh" to find and report bugs?
> - or Test "~sh"s to change the
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 05:20:47PM +0900, Takashi Yoshii wrote:
> I want sh to be supported more, and to be released officially in future.
> Currently, it doesn't have stable profile, and no 2008.0 release
> (not even as an experimental), though.
Seeing your employer's domain, can you offer pointer
Fernando J. Pereda wrote:
On 10 Jun 2008, at 15:33, Joe Peterson wrote:
Luca Barbato wrote:
Check if exists a line EAPI=*$, if does and the rest of the string
matches an understood eapi, go on sourcing, otherwise ignore/mask it...
And placing it out-of-band (like "# EAPI=...") avoids any so
Hi,
Takashi Yoshii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I've got nothing to BTS so far, because my trial was so successful.
> So, maybe I should...
> - Test more packages of "sh" to find and report bugs?
Yes! Always. Maybe test stabilisation requests for packages. See
the archtester programs of amd64 or x
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 07:16:05PM -0700, Brian Harring wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 07:00:16PM +0100, David Leverton wrote:
> > On Thursday 12 June 2008 02:46:03 Jim Ramsay wrote:
> > > David Leverton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > Since at least one ebuild has already been modified specif
Donnie Berkholz a écrit :
I've heard two positive comments on IRC and nothing else, so I'm
proceeding with this. I'll be adding these to the existing
/usr/portage/eclass/tests/, adding shunit2 to the tree, and beginning
some work looking into unit tests for portage's bash code.
Could you let
On 12 Jun 2008, at 04:16, Brian Harring wrote:
Why the exherbo/paludis/PMS folk decided to go this route to report,
I'm not quite sure aside from assuming they're just griefers.
s-exherbo/paludis/PMS-pkgcore-g and:
http://fpereda.wordpress.com/2008/05/03/on-cooperating-and-paludis-vulnerabil
On Thursday 12 June 2008 08:36:18 Markus Ullmann wrote:
> After investing more than two hours to just read the Mails that popped
> up yesterday regarding this stuff, I'd say we can't really take this
> serious. The PMS maintainers were withholding information on
> compatibility issues they've seen.
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 11:05:01 +0200
Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just for fun I took some of the ideas about alternative management of
> the issue and specified the features it makes it worth changing
> (better management and automated snapshot generation from the live
> ebuild).
>
>
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The idea behind posting to the list in advance is twofold -- holding
> council members accountable for:
>
> 1) Knowing the relevant information, and
>
> 2) Participating in the source discussion if they have anything ne
Piotr Jaroszyński wrote:
Hello,
looks like every nominee wants the council to be more technical so I
have a few technical questions for you:
1. GLEP54
Just for fun I took some of the ideas about alternative management of
the issue and specified the features it makes it worth changing (better
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:40:06 -0700
Brian Harring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Are you seriously suggesting that the portage and pkgcore developers
> > think that they should be able to release a package manager that
> > claims to support an EAPI when it in fact doesn't?
>
> When paludis hit the
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 00:48:01 -0700
Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 02:47 Mon 26 May , Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> > A while back, vapier added some tests for the toolchain-funcs
> > eclass to /usr/portage/eclass/tests/. I really like the idea, and I
> > recently discovered an xUni
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 09:16:51AM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:12:47 +0200
> Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > Package manager maintainers refusing to do basic testing before
> > > claiming support for a new EAPI has very messy conse
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:24:14 +0200
"Denis Dupeyron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Ciaran McCreesh
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Are you seriously suggesting that the portage and pkgcore developers
> > think that they should be able to release a package manager th
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:16 AM, Ciaran McCreesh
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Are you seriously suggesting that the portage and pkgcore developers
> think that they should be able to release a package manager that claims
> to support an EAPI when it in fact doesn't?
Please stop your incessant and
Hi,
I have been trying Gentoo Linux on sh(SuperH) target board.
I starting at stage3-sh4-2007.0 binary, and synced to newer portage
snapshot. Then successfully built stage1,2 and 3 using catalyst.
I'm impressed with the system running just like as PC (but speed).
I want sh to be supported more, a
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 10:12:47 +0200
Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > Package manager maintainers refusing to do basic testing before
> > claiming support for a new EAPI has very messy consequences. If
> > package manager maintainers aren't going to do the responsi
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
Package manager maintainers refusing to do basic testing before
claiming support for a new EAPI has very messy consequences. If package
manager maintainers aren't going to do the responsible thing, the whole
point of EAPIs is lost.
Thats a circular argument since portage
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:52:13 +0200
Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > You should instead be asking the pkgcore guys why they should be
> > allowed to continue keeping a package in the tree when they're
> > blatantly ignoring the EAPI process.
>
> The eapi process is something not defined
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
No, we were trying to get the pkgcore people to write some frickin'
test cases for their code rather than continuing to screw up the
process by incorrectly claiming support for an EAPI.
That isn't what has been perceived.
Whoever will take the portage specification will
On 02:47 Mon 26 May , Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> A while back, vapier added some tests for the toolchain-funcs eclass to
> /usr/portage/eclass/tests/. I really like the idea, and I recently
> discovered an xUnit-style unit-testing framework for shell scripts
> called ShUnit2. I played with it
On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 4:51 PM, Doug Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There's a lot to be said about being stuck in the "grand design mindset". I
> know many Gentoo, Portage, Exherbo, and Paludis developers are clearly
> coming to that point in their programming careers based on the comment
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 09:36:18 +0200
Markus Ullmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After investing more than two hours to just read the Mails that
> popped up yesterday regarding this stuff, I'd say we can't really
> take this serious. The PMS maintainers were withholding information
> on compatibility
Donnie Berkholz schrieb:
>Status of PMS
>-
>ferringb said:
> I'd like the council to please discuss the current status of PMS, if
> the running of it satisfys the councils requirements of a *neutral*
> standard, if the proposed spec actually meets said standards, and if
> said spe
On 14:58 Wed 11 Jun , Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Carefully note the Preparation sections. If they aren't completed, we
> will postpone the topic to the -council mailing list or the next meeting
> instead of waste time during the meeting doing things that should've
> happened in advance.
>
> P
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