Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI-1 (or >1, perhaps) Proposal: AND Dependencies

2007-06-14 Thread Kent Fredric
On 6/15/07, John R. Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I occasionally run across a package version dependency issue that cannot be elegantly solved by the current dependency syntax. Every time I've come across this, it's boiled down to a range. For example, package some-cat/foo has the followin

Re: [gentoo-dev] EAPI-1 (or >1, perhaps) Proposal: AND Dependencies

2007-06-14 Thread Vlastimil Babka
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John R. Graham wrote: > I occasionally run across a package version dependency issue that cannot > be elegantly solved by the current dependency syntax. Every time I've > come across this, it's boiled down to a range. For example, package > some-cat

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-14 Thread Abhay Kedia
On Friday 15 Jun 2007 3:15:28 am Doug Goldstein wrote: > > Please ensure you read the entire thread to get a grasp on the issues at > hand before replying. > I am involved in this thread since its very beginning but looks like I am not being able to understand the problems. Would you please be kin

[gentoo-dev] EAPI-1 (or >1, perhaps) Proposal: AND Dependencies

2007-06-14 Thread John R. Graham
I occasionally run across a package version dependency issue that cannot be elegantly solved by the current dependency syntax. Every time I've come across this, it's boiled down to a range. For example, package some-cat/foo has the following versions in the tree some-cat/foo-4.0.0-r2 som

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-14 Thread Doug Goldstein
Abhay Kedia wrote: > On Thursday 14 Jun 2007 8:18:27 pm Luca Barbato wrote: > >> If is broken we need to fix it, if is unfixable we HAVE to drop/p.mask it. >> >> > ...but then that remains true for open source programs as well. XMMS is a > wonderful example of the same. I saw alsaplayer go

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-14 Thread Abhay Kedia
On Thursday 14 Jun 2007 8:18:27 pm Luca Barbato wrote: > > If is broken we need to fix it, if is unfixable we HAVE to drop/p.mask it. > ...but then that remains true for open source programs as well. XMMS is a wonderful example of the same. I saw alsaplayer going out and then in again for the sam

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-14 Thread Luca Barbato
Abhay Kedia wrote: > Don't get me wrong...I love open source and that is one of the reasons why I > have been using GNU/Linux for many years but acting paranoid and dropping > popular packages from tree is not something, I as a common user, would like > to see. This is the only reason I am pokin

Re: [gentoo-dev] Are you guys for real?

2007-06-14 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Thu, Jun 14, 2007 at 11:23:49AM +0200, Jan Kundrat wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Hélder Máximo Botter Riba wrote: > > I'm using gentoo for 4 years, I love emerge, I enjoy to be part of > > gentoobr( Gentoo Brazilian community ), I'm always helping at gentoobr > > and gentoo-chat. I really enjoy

Re: [gentoo-dev] Keeping closed source pkgs (Was: Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree)

2007-06-14 Thread Philip Webb
070614 Steve Long wrote: > why is ion3 gone again? > That was good software, with total source availability. Licensing. Look in the archive for the gruesome details. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PRO

Re: [gentoo-dev] Are you guys for real?

2007-06-14 Thread Christian Parpart
On Wednesday 13 June 2007 23:46:01 Hélder Máximo Botter Ribas wrote: > Nowadays, this list looks more like a fight ring than a dev list. > > I'm using gentoo for 4 years, I love emerge, I enjoy to be part of > gentoobr( Gentoo Brazilian community ), I'm always helping at gentoobr > and gentoo-chat.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Are you guys for real?

2007-06-14 Thread Christian Parpart
On Wednesday 13 June 2007 23:53:51 Markus Ullmann wrote: > Some numbers to back Vlastimil up > > > Yep there's still development going on, devs commit ebuilds and stuff. > > http://cia.vc/stats/project/gentoo > > > Also, as said many times, number of devs participating in flamewars here > > is

[gentoo-dev] Keeping closed source pkgs (Was: Re: QA issue: No stable skype in Tree)

2007-06-14 Thread Steve Long
Kent Fredric wrote: > Gentoo is about choices, one of those choices is the choice to install > closed-source software, or software with well documented evils, the > best thing we can do is warn users what they're getting themselves > into and let them make an informed decision IMO. > Sure, so why

Re: [gentoo-dev] Are you guys for real?

2007-06-14 Thread Jan Kundrat
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Hélder Máximo Botter Riba wrote: > I'm using gentoo for 4 years, I love emerge, I enjoy to be part of > gentoobr( Gentoo Brazilian community ), I'm always helping at gentoobr > and gentoo-chat. I really enjoy gentoo. Who stole the double 'e' from the gentoobr? /me opens anoth

Re: [gentoo-dev] Are you guys for real?

2007-06-14 Thread Dawid Węgliński
Dnia 14-06-2007, czw o godzinie 19:13 +1200, Kent Fredric napisał(a): > Once somebody has learnt the truth, most find they can only deny it > for so long. :) > > I agree a lot of the discussions turn into bitchfests, You are feeding such discussions. > and it seems > many of our developers are go

Re: [gentoo-dev] Are you guys for real?

2007-06-14 Thread Kent Fredric
On 6/14/07, Jayson Vaughn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: etc I'll be back. Love the distro, but Jesus the politics and the bitching gets out. From one non-dev to another: You'll be back. Once somebody has learnt the truth, most find they can only deny it for so long. :) I agree a lot of the

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA issue: No stable skype in Tree

2007-06-14 Thread Kent Fredric
On 6/14/07, Abhay Kedia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thursday 14 Jun 2007 1:54:51 am Vlastimil Babka wrote: > > But maybe Skype is not so pressing to upgrade, just doesn't provide > distfiles anymore. Then maybe we don't have to obey, but still it's > really questionable if it should be marked s