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Kumba wrote:
>
> So I'm told debian has one of these types of MLs, probably where the
> flames burn bright enough to have earned a star designation from the
> IAU. Given what's been going on lately, and with calls from myself and
> others (i.e., mcum
So I'm told debian has one of these types of MLs, probably where the flames burn
bright enough to have earned a star designation from the IAU. Given what's been
going on lately, and with calls from myself and others (i.e., mcummings) to get
back on track and actually like, you know, develop s
Dawid Węgliński wrote:
> Dnia 06-06-2007, śro o godzinie 18:32 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> napisał(a):
> > Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > Just stop claiming others are insane, abusive power-trippers just
> > > > because you did not abide by a rule and got your punish
On Thu, 2007-06-07 at 01:08 +0100, George Prowse wrote:
> from http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/coc.xml
Look at the Council logs from the CoC being approved and the ones since.
We asked for real guidelines so we could specifically avoid this sort of
problem from happening.
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 19:16 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
I'm sure they have the best intentions but I've never seen any clear
guidelines for them. They use their best judgement what to handle and
what not to but due to language barriers, cultura
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 13:14 -0500, Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
> Great job Chris, way to stick it to them.
Yes. It absolutely *is* a great job that I voiced my opinion in a
manner that I thought was most beneficial for Gentoo. Shame on me for
ever thinking about what might be best for Gentoo. Sha
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 14:08 -0300, Mauricio Lima Pilla wrote:
> Good luck for the remaining proctors, they will need as they aparently can't
> even expect any support from council members.
There's a *BIG* difference between support and blind support. Nobody
ever promised the proctors blind supp
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 19:16 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
> > I'm sure they have the best intentions but I've never seen any clear
> > guidelines for them. They use their best judgement what to handle and
> > what not to but due to language barriers, cultural differences
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 18:10 +0200, Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 6, 2007 05:29:47 PM Grant Goodyear wrote:
> [Proctor system]
> > a way to fix the current system, or should it be chucked entirely, as
> > has been suggested?
>
> Personally, I think we simply don't need the proctors.
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Anders Hellgren wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 10:44:49 -0500
>> Steev Klimaszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Or... perhaps when asked not to respond to a thread for 24 hours, you
>>> could keep your
Galevsky wrote:
But I do not understand why 7
devs -even elected by the others- could make decisions on other
projects and are described as the group in charge of the 'global
issues and policies'.
The logic is that most organizations are overseen by a board of
directors. This system is used
Dnia 06-06-2007, śro o godzinie 18:32 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
napisał(a):
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > Just stop claiming others are insane, abusive power-trippers just
> > > because you did not abide by a rule and got your punishment for it.
> >
> > I'm claiming it
Hi everyone
I received a book yesterday with the title
"producing open source software", written by Karl Fogel.
It's also available online for free: http://producingoss.com/
While reading through the latest messages here I thought that I should
recommend that book (especially chapter 6) to you.
Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
On Wednesday, June 6, 2007 05:29:47 PM Grant Goodyear wrote:
[Proctor system]
a way to fix the current system, or should it be chucked entirely, as
has been suggested?
Personally, I think we simply don't need the proctors.
Nor do I. Every thread that has gone bad in t
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Raúl Porcel wrote:
> Agreed from mozilla.
>
> firefox and seamonkey already have the global use-flag
Is there any guideline from mozilla team about what to do when there are
more than one of these flags (firefox/seamonkey/xulrunner) supported by
pack
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Grant Goodyear wrote:
>
> So, how about using this incident as an opportunity for a calm
> discussion about the mandate and role of the proctors?
>
> Well reasoned thoughts and opinions welcome.
>
> -g2boojum-
Benjamin Judas has probably been walk
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 13:15:45 -0500
Steev Klimaszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No can do, its recess time in a few minutes, and then after that, its
> naptime!
Naptime doesn't sound that bad idea. Or a long good sleep.
- Samuli Suominen
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> drawn in flames.
drown, please excuse my spelling.
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Josh Sled wrote:
> I find it disappointing (maybe "telling", if one is less charitable) that
> the Proctors never censured the original poster for either the tone of the
> message, nor the personal invective it contained, and still haven't. I'd
> imagine clear violations of the CoC to result in at
On Sun, 2007-05-27 at 21:02 +0100, Graham Murray wrote:
> Ulrich Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I would also strongly favor if both gnupg-1 and gnupg-2 could be kept
> > in different slots.
>
> And maybe an eselect (or similar) to select whether external programs
> which call use gpg-1
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Josh Sled wrote:
> Grant Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> got out of hand. Perhaps the goal was laudable, but the methods were
>> not? (As an aside, I didn't realize that Roy's e-mail was supposed to
>> be a proctor directive.) Or are peop
Hello and welcome to my e-mail,
At this time I would like to encourage you to point your web browser to
http://bugs.gentoo.org and start fixing some bugs. If you have the time
and energy to argue, you have the time and energy to fix some bugs. Stop
acting like you're in kindergarten and start acti
On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 10:44:49 -0500
Steev Klimaszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Or... perhaps when asked not to respond to a thread for 24 hours, you
could keep your fucking trap shut?
If I'm asked by someone with a good reason, sure. If I'm told to
Grant Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> got out of hand. Perhaps the goal was laudable, but the methods were
> not? (As an aside, I didn't realize that Roy's e-mail was supposed to
> be a proctor directive.) Or are people really looking for the proctors
> to get involved only when behavior
On Wednesday, June 6, 2007 07:20:18 PM Josh Saddler wrote:
> Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
> > IRC is more or less self-moderated.
> I'd have to disagree, given the pure insanity and horsepiss the last 48
> hours have been. Clearly, we can't keep ourselves in line.
Well, yes, there are exceptions from th
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Mike Doty wrote:
> Perhaps you should go take a long walk off a short pier.
> [snip]
> Oh, I'm so hurt. You think I'm a hypocrite. Man, what will I ever do?
> Newsflash, I know I'm a hypocrite, which is a lot better than the
> childish passive-aggres
On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 10:29:47AM -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> > So, how about using this incident as an opportunity for a calm
> > discussion about the mandate and role of the proctors? The proctors
> > clearly felt that they should shut down this thread _before_ things
> > got out of hand.
Hi all,
I am not a dev but a Gentoo-addicted user that would be interested in
getting involved. So I have no more situation awareness than the
website and this ML brought to me. But I have 2 cents I want to share
peacefully.
First, I am wondering about the exact role of what is known to be:
"Th
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 10:02 -0700, Nathan Smith wrote:
> I noticed that use.desc includes an entry for "wxwindows." The
> wxWindows project changed its name to "wxWidgets" around three years
> ago. [1] Perhaps the USE flag should be changed to "wxwidgets" or
> simply "wx" to reflect the change.
On Wednesday 06 June 2007 13:48:53 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> That wasn't what I said. What I said was that the forums staff have no
> accountability, and that the proctors were suffering as a result of
> containing too many of said forums staff.
That's bullshit. We are subject to the same rules as
Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
> I'm sure they have the best intentions but I've never seen any clear
> guidelines for them. They use their best judgement what to handle and
> what not to but due to language barriers, cultural differences etc. it's
> difficult to judge.
The guideline, as far as I understoo
On Wednesday 06 June 2007 06:10, Ryan Hill wrote:
> ...to maintain it.
>
> Boa is "a single-tasking HTTP server. That means that unlike
> traditional Web servers, it does not fork for each incoming connection,
> nor does it fork many copies of itself to handle multiple connections.
> It internall
I noticed that use.desc includes an entry for "wxwindows." The
wxWindows project changed its name to "wxWidgets" around three years
ago. [1] Perhaps the USE flag should be changed to "wxwidgets" or
simply "wx" to reflect the change. Beside use.desc and affected
ebuilds, there is also a wxwindow
Mike Doty wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:29:47 -0500
>> Grant Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> (As an aside, I didn't realize that Roy's e-mail was supposed to
>>> be a proctor directive.)
>> He changed the subject and signed "on behalf of gentoo-proctors".
>>
>>> I
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:33:29 -0700
> Mike Doty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> The problem is not so much the system as a small number of the
>>> proctors. Perhaps it should be restaffed with people who aren't so
>>> used to wielding god-like powers on the forums, where anyo
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:33:29 -0700
Mike Doty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The problem is not so much the system as a small number of the
> > proctors. Perhaps it should be restaffed with people who aren't so
> > used to wielding god-like powers on the forums, where anyone who
> > dares say anythi
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Just stop claiming others are insane, abusive power-trippers just
> > because you did not abide by a rule and got your punishment for it.
>
> I'm claiming it because plenty of other people agree. You *did* see the
> response that the proctors go
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:29:47 -0500
> Grant Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> (As an aside, I didn't realize that Roy's e-mail was supposed to
>> be a proctor directive.)
>
> He changed the subject and signed "on behalf of gentoo-proctors".
>
>> Is there a way to fix t
On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 18:08:30 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Just stop claiming others are insane, abusive power-trippers just
> because you did not abide by a rule and got your punishment for it.
I'm claiming it because plenty of other people agree. You *did* see the
response that the proctors go
On Wednesday, June 6, 2007 05:29:47 PM Grant Goodyear wrote:
[Proctor system]
> a way to fix the current system, or should it be chucked entirely, as
> has been suggested?
Personally, I think we simply don't need the proctors.
I'm sure they have the best intentions but I've never seen any clear
Am Mittwoch 06 Juni 2007 17:53 schrieb Ciaran McCreesh:
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 10:44:49 -0500
>
> Steev Klimaszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Or... perhaps when asked not to respond to a thread for 24 hours, you
> > could keep your fucking trap shut?
>
> If I'm asked by someone with a good rea
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 10:44:49 -0500
> Steev Klimaszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Or... perhaps when asked not to respond to a thread for 24 hours, you
>> could keep your fucking trap shut?
>
> If I'm asked by someone with a good reason, sure. If I'm told to by
> someo
On Wed, Jun 06, 2007 at 10:29:47AM -0500, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote: [Tue Jun 05 2007, 05:00:28PM CDT]
> > As a member of the Council, I find it personally offensive that the
> > Proctors have taken this action on what wasn't even a "problem" thread.
> > I'm sick of this. I ca
Am Mittwoch 06 Juni 2007 17:42 schrieb Ciaran McCreesh:
> > Is there a way to fix the current system, or should it be chucked
> > entirely, as has been suggested?
>
> The problem is not so much the system as a small number of the
> proctors.
I feel like _anyone_* who willingly acts against a
dont
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 10:44:49 -0500
Steev Klimaszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Or... perhaps when asked not to respond to a thread for 24 hours, you
> could keep your fucking trap shut?
If I'm asked by someone with a good reason, sure. If I'm told to by
someone on a power trip with a history o
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:29:47 -0500
> Grant Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> (As an aside, I didn't realize that Roy's e-mail was supposed to
>> be a proctor directive.)
>
> He changed the subject and signed "on behalf of
Agreed from mozilla.
firefox and seamonkey already have the global use-flag
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On Wed, 6 Jun 2007 10:29:47 -0500
Grant Goodyear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (As an aside, I didn't realize that Roy's e-mail was supposed to
> be a proctor directive.)
He changed the subject and signed "on behalf of gentoo-proctors".
> Is there a way to fix the current system, or should it be c
Chris Gianelloni wrote: [Tue Jun 05 2007, 05:00:28PM CDT]
> As a member of the Council, I find it personally offensive that the
> Proctors have taken this action on what wasn't even a "problem" thread.
> I'm sick of this. I call for the immediate disbanding of the Proctors.
>
> As much as I disli
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 17:44 +0300, Samuli Suominen wrote:
> use.local.desc:dev-java/swt:xulrunner - Build native browser integration
> against xulrunner
> use.local.desc:dev-python/gnome-python-extras:xulrunner - Enable support for
> xulrunner instead of firefox
> use.local.desc:dev-util/devhelp:
use.local.desc:dev-java/swt:xulrunner - Build native browser integration
against xulrunner
use.local.desc:dev-python/gnome-python-extras:xulrunner - Enable support for
xulrunner instead of firefox
use.local.desc:dev-util/devhelp:xulrunner - Enable support for xulrunner
instead of firefox
use.loc
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:24:00 +0200
> Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> PMS overlords what's your take?
>
> You need to start by identifying use cases. Are you discussing handling
> cross compiling,
Yes
multilib,
Ok
C++ / python ABIs
Aargh, ehm, should we
Michael Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I protest on the grounds that I help maintain PDL, and I'm a
> non-conformist, which means no keywords or use flags that might be in
> line with conforming to others.
On some occasions I think you sometimes smoke that Gentoo Fungus.
V-Li
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Christian Faulhammer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I propose to create a new global USE flag:
>
> $ euse -i gsl
>
> [-] gsl (dev-perl/PDL):
> Use the GNU scientific library for calculations
>
I p
Hi,
I propose to create a new global USE flag:
$ euse -i gsl
global use flags (searching: gsl)
no matching entries found
local use flags (searching: gsl)
[-] gsl (dev-per
Kumba wrote:
Anyways, we're off the crab guys. Really. We're pulling in blank pots,
the crew is getting restless, and we're almost out of coffee and
nicotine. Let's get our heads on straight, our asses in gear, fill our
tanks and get back to port so we can get paid and go home.
I wonder ho
> An excellent former manager of mine once gave me very good advice -
> everybody is replaceable. I for one have been a bit annoyed by the
"An excellent former manager" of yours either was Joseph Stalin or he
just plagiarized this "very good advice".
Love,
H
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:24:00 +0200
Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> PMS overlords what's your take?
You need to start by identifying use cases. Are you discussing handling
cross compiling, multilib, C++ / python ABIs or all of them? Then you
need to identify what packages would need to do
yesterday we discussed about cross development and why the gentoo
support for it works just to a point (and then has something missing)
There are already some convoluted ideas about multiabi/multilib support
with patches being discussed and there are some handy scripts that let
you cross emerge st
Hi!
As I feel it's necessary to clarify:
I've *not* made the decision to quite or anything, I didn't wnat
to get that notion across in my mail. My point was that it had
gotten so bad that I seriously started considering it - which is
bad enough and made me think.
If that has made half a person
Kumba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted
below, on Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:18:23 -0400:
> Ya'll don't hear from me very often, usually because for the last 9
> months or so, I've been pretty apathetic to things that have been going
> on. But I keep on truckin' because I have thi
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