Re: [gentoo-dev] dont use `which` in ebuilds

2007-03-12 Thread Andrew Ross
Ned Ludd wrote: > On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 19:15 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> On Monday 12 March 2007, Mike Frysinger wrote: >>> instead, since we require bash for our ebuilds, use the builtin `type -p` >> `type -p` is almost a complete drop in replacement for which ... it does not >> work on bas

Re: [gentoo-dev] Introducing the Proctors - Draft Code of Conduct for Gentoo

2007-03-12 Thread Alec Warner
Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: > Hiya all, > > As some of you are already aware, I was at the last Council meeting > given a Task. This Task was to draft a proposed Code of Conduct for > Gentoo, and a scheme for enforcing it. The current version of this > proposal can be found at http://dev.gentoo.or

Re: [gentoo-dev] dont use `which` in ebuilds

2007-03-12 Thread Yuri Vasilevski
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 16:36:03 -0700 Ned Ludd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And matches "$(which " > x11-misc/xoo/xoo-0.7.ebuild:25: Fixed. Best wishes, Yuri. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Introducing the Proctors - Draft Code of Conduct for Gentoo

2007-03-12 Thread Mike Doty
Mike Bonar wrote: Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: Hiya all, As some of you are already aware, I was at the last Council meeting given a Task. This Task was to draft a proposed Code of Conduct for Gentoo, and a scheme for enforcing it. The current version of this proposal can be found at http://dev.ge

Re: [gentoo-dev] Introducing the Proctors - Draft Code of Conduct for Gentoo

2007-03-12 Thread Mike Bonar
Christel Dahlskjaer wrote: Hiya all, As some of you are already aware, I was at the last Council meeting given a Task. This Task was to draft a proposed Code of Conduct for Gentoo, and a scheme for enforcing it. The current version of this proposal can be found at http://dev.gentoo.org/~christe

[gentoo-dev] A request for your input.

2007-03-12 Thread lmth
Hello My name is Lara Thynne and I am a PhD candidate at Deakin University Australia. I am currently researching the boundary between work and leisure activities directly related to the open source community and open source program development. As part of this I am running a survey at the foll

[gentoo-dev] Introducing the Proctors - Draft Code of Conduct for Gentoo

2007-03-12 Thread Christel Dahlskjaer
Hiya all, As some of you are already aware, I was at the last Council meeting given a Task. This Task was to draft a proposed Code of Conduct for Gentoo, and a scheme for enforcing it. The current version of this proposal can be found at http://dev.gentoo.org/~christel/coc.xml comments and sugges

[gentoo-dev] Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Duncan
Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:54:49 -0400: > On Monday 12 March 2007, Steve Long wrote: >> Stephen Bennett wrote: >> > Oh, and bashing ciaranm doesn't make you cool. >> >> Yeah and nor does sucking him off. > > seriously, sto

Re: [gentoo-dev] dont use `which` in ebuilds

2007-03-12 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 16:36 -0700, Ned Ludd wrote: > games-emulation/advancemame/advancemame-0.104.0.ebuild:35: > games-emulation/advancemame/advancemame-0.104.0.ebuild:37: > games-emulation/advancemame/advancemame-0.104.0.ebuild:39: > games-emulation/advancemame/advancemame-0.106.0.ebuild:40: > ga

[gentoo-dev] Java Team March Meeting Highlights

2007-03-12 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
The Gentoo Java Team held their March meeting this past weekend. At which time a new team lead was elected. Petteri Räty ( betelgeuse ) was unanimously elected as the new Java Team Lead, taking the place of Joshua Nichols ( nichoj ). Josh has done an excellent job over the past year or so. Tremend

Re: [gentoo-dev] dont use `which` in ebuilds

2007-03-12 Thread Mike Kelly
On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:14:54 +0100 Thomas de Grenier de Latour <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also there are some occurences in eclasses: > ./eclass/vim-doc.eclass: >vim=$(which vim 2>/dev/null) > ./eclass/vim-doc.eclass: >[[ -z "$vim" ]] && vim=$(which gvim 2>/dev/null) > ./eclass/vim-doc

Re: [gentoo-dev] dont use `which` in ebuilds

2007-03-12 Thread Danny van Dyk
Am Dienstag, 13. März 2007 01:14 schrieb Thomas de Grenier de Latour: > On 2007/03/12, Ned Ludd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Matches "`which " > > ... > > And matches "$(which " > > ... > > Also there are some occurences in eclasses: > ./eclass/fortran.eclass: >elif [ -x "$(which ifc 2> /dev

Re: [gentoo-dev] dont use `which` in ebuilds

2007-03-12 Thread Danny van Dyk
Am Dienstag, 13. März 2007 00:36 schrieb Ned Ludd: > > > instead, since we require bash for our ebuilds, use the builtin > > > `type -p` > > > > err i botched that ;) > > > > `type -p` is almost a complete drop in replacement for which ... it > > does not work on bash builtins however, so people sh

Re: [gentoo-dev] dont use `which` in ebuilds

2007-03-12 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/03/12, Ned Ludd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matches "`which " > ... > And matches "$(which " > ... Also there are some occurences in eclasses: ./eclass/enlightenment.eclass: cp $(which gettextize) "${T}"/ || die "could not copy gettextize" ./eclass/fortran.eclass: elif [ -x "$(w

Re: [gentoo-dev] dont use `which` in ebuilds

2007-03-12 Thread Ned Ludd
On Mon, 2007-03-12 at 19:15 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Monday 12 March 2007, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > instead, since we require bash for our ebuilds, use the builtin `type -p` > > err i botched that ;) > > `type -p` is almost a complete drop in replacement for which ... it does not > wor

Re: [gentoo-dev] dont use `which` in ebuilds

2007-03-12 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 12 March 2007, Mike Frysinger wrote: > instead, since we require bash for our ebuilds, use the builtin `type -p` err i botched that ;) `type -p` is almost a complete drop in replacement for which ... it does not work on bash builtins however, so people should use `type -P` to force the

[gentoo-dev] dont use `which` in ebuilds

2007-03-12 Thread Mike Frysinger
please dont use the `which` program in your ebuilds ... this thing isnt even close to having standard behavior out there plus people can unmerge it :) instead, since we require bash for our ebuilds, use the builtin `type -p` ... here's some easy examples: -if which foo 2>/dev/null ; then +if ty

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Thomas de Grenier de Latour
On 2007/03/12, Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you really that dense? http://tdegreni.free.fr/slong.png Seriously, no need to even read this emails to guess who is being dense today. -- TGL. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: How others handle bad behaviour on mailinglists

2007-03-12 Thread Jeff Rollin
On 12/03/07, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: this thread is dead, If only... -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: How others handle bad behaviour on mailinglists

2007-03-12 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 12 March 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > (Again, this is subjective. FFtF, Feel Free to Flame) no, do not this thread is dead, if you guys want to go beat dead horses, take it off list -mike pgpfVMxaW9KlT.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Jan Kundrát
Steve Long wrote: > Oh no of course not. Paludis is in fact being led in the most appropriate > political fashion, rather than the best technical approach for the job. Dear Steve, this is a formal request from an ordinary Gentoo developer who has already emailed you privately several times asking

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: How others handle bad behaviour on mailinglists

2007-03-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 20:53:35 +0100 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Besides, the article isnt that uninformed. Contrary, it quite clearly > represents how users currently percieve the situation. > (Again, this is subjective. FFtF, Feel Free to Flame) If users feel that way, it's because they're reading

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Damian Florczyk
Charlie Shepherd napisał(a): On 12/03/07, Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... Please. This thread is *over*. No-one wants to play anymore. Yeah, let's back to work guys. -- Damian Florczyk Gentoo/NetBSD Development Lead -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Jeff Rollin
On 12/03/07, Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Stephen Bennett wrote: > Oh, and bashing ciaranm doesn't make you cool. Yeah and nor does sucking him off. I wonder if the manglement at eclipse.co.uk would be pleased about the impression of your company you're given when you post things lik

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: How others handle bad behaviour on mailinglists

2007-03-12 Thread expose
Stephen Bennett wrote: > The only possible conclusion I can see to draw from this post is that > because distrowatch posts an uninformed article about how Gentoo is > dying, you need to drag up a dead thread for no apparent reason. Please > enlighten me if there's something I missed. You seem to ha

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 12 March 2007, Steve Long wrote: > Stephen Bennett wrote: > > Oh, and bashing ciaranm doesn't make you cool. > > Yeah and nor does sucking him off. seriously, stop it if you want to flame, take it off list -mike pgpYpYmwZEx9P.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: How others handle bad behaviour on mailinglists

2007-03-12 Thread expose
Stephen Bennett wrote: > On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:57:09 + > > Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And if you think the way you have carried on is anything approaching > > decent, you clearly haven't read the guidelines... Can we stop now > > please? > > Based on a cursory view of my gentoo-

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Steve Long
Stephen Bennett wrote: > Oh, and bashing ciaranm doesn't make you cool. Yeah and nor does sucking him off. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: How others handle bad behaviour on mailinglists

2007-03-12 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:35:03 + Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Guess what sunshine? It's not just about you: > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070312#future The only possible conclusion I can see to draw from this post is that because distrowatch posts an u

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Charlie Shepherd
On 12/03/07, Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... Please. This thread is *over*. No-one wants to play anymore. -- -Charlie -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: How others handle bad behaviour on mailinglists

2007-03-12 Thread Steve Long
Stephen Bennett wrote: > Based on a cursory view of my gentoo-dev folder, we had stopped for a > good five days until earlier today. Guess what sunshine? It's not just about you: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070312#future -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Steve Long
Stephen Bennett wrote: >> Yes so in a /technical/ sense he's the lead. You defer to his greater >> knowledge. Or are you more political than technical? > > Nowhere did I say anything of the sort. Stop jumping to conclusions > based on incorrect assumptions and incomplete information. > ..or indeed

Re: [gentoo-dev] TeX maintainer needed

2007-03-12 Thread Josh Saddler
Christian Faulhammer wrote: > [TeX stuff] Along with this, if anyone wants to take a look at bug 118405[1], the GDP could really use the help, especially since it was nattfodd who first requested a TeX document in the first place. It's been sitting there for a long time now, so unless someone writ

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: How others handle bad behaviour on mailinglists

2007-03-12 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:57:09 + Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And if you think the way you have carried on is anything approaching > decent, you clearly haven't read the guidelines... Can we stop now > please? Based on a cursory view of my gentoo-dev folder, we had stopped for a good

[gentoo-dev] Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Steve Long
Seemant Kulleen wrote: > Grow up. > SKulleen+=10 :P -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Steve Long
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> Erm, to be precise here, noone has removed any ciaranm's attributions >> from devmanual, they've all been moved to the end of the document >> originally, so that people wouldn't be forced to scroll across one >> page worth of contributors to get to the actual content of de

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: How others handle bad behaviour on mailinglists

2007-03-12 Thread Steve Long
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> My own rules for netiquette are very simple: "Always be parliamentary; >> never be personal; have a point to make; know when to stop". >> 'Parliamentary' means 'follow the rules for MPs in Ottawa or >> Westminster'. > > If you think that anything anyone's said in here isn

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:46:41 + Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stephen Bennett wrote: > > Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> The EAPI=0 document was supposed to be a QA project. What it is > >> now, I have no idea. > > > > A QA subproject which has not yet released

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:46:41 + Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Except it's one that needs Paludis ready before it can be considered > complete. /me thinks are they really that clever? /me remembers > ciaranm's incredibly smart posts from ~2 years ago when he couldn't > stand being trea

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Why this nonsense has to continue (Was: Some council topics for March meeting)

2007-03-12 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:53:10 + Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Stephen Bennett wrote: > >> Thing I don't understand is why spb took it on when he knew he was > >> going to be out of commission with his Uni. > > > > I'm not out of commission. PMS is simply not at the top of my list > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:00:09 + Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes so in a /technical/ sense he's the lead. You defer to his greater > knowledge. Or are you more political than technical? Nowhere did I say anything of the sort. Stop jumping to conclusions based on incorrect assumption

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Grant Goodyear
Steve Long wrote: [Mon Mar 12 2007, 12:51:17PM CDT] > Stephen Bennett wrote: > > On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 01:58:30 -0800 (PST) > > "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And if we didn't give a d*mn about such a distinction? IOW if you were > discussing this technically, instead of /politically/ *sho

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Why this nonsense has to continue (Was: Some council topics for March meeting)

2007-03-12 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 17:53:10 + Steve Long <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Um I'm guessing that since you're at Uni, you knew you'd be in this > situation at this stage of your course. I wonder at how someone > clearly so gifted could have overlooked that matter when undertaking > such a vital pro

[gentoo-dev] Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Steve Long
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Paludis is not a Gentoo project. There is no disagreement there. This > discussion is about PMS, not Paludis. > Yes dear. > Also note that the traditional "open up discussions and source to > everyone straight away" alternative to eselect ended up being a hideous > XML m

[gentoo-dev] Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Steve Long
Daniel Robbins wrote: > On 3/4/07, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> you've managed to launch groundless attacks against >> me, a whole bunch of other Gentoo developers, the Council, the >> Foundation and devrel. > > Well, I think it's a good thing to question whether the Council, the

[gentoo-dev] Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Steve Long
Stephen Bennett wrote: >> To co-lead a Gentoo project? You need to be a dev to do that. I >> couldn't join any projects even as a member until I became a dev, and >> I created the distro. You are effectively co-leading (likely leading) >> PMS as a non-dev - worse than that, as someone who has been

[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Why this nonsense has to continue (Was: Some council topics for March meeting)

2007-03-12 Thread Steve Long
Stephen Bennett wrote: >> Thing I don't understand is why spb took it on when he knew he was >> going to be out of commission with his Uni. > > I'm not out of commission. PMS is simply not at the top of my list of > priorities at the moment. Um I'm guessing that since you're at Uni, you knew you'

[gentoo-dev] Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Steve Long
Stephen Bennett wrote: > On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 01:58:30 -0800 (PST) > "Alec Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> So you are saying you cannot see Daniel's point of view at all? That >> Gentoo should perhaps have input on a specification whose goal is to >> essentially define what a Gentoo Package

[gentoo-dev] Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Steve Long
Stephen Bennett wrote: > Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> The EAPI=0 document was supposed to be a QA project. What it is now, >> I have no idea. > > A QA subproject which has not yet released a public draft. > And it doesn't concern you that after x months, Chris had no idea wha

[gentoo-dev] Re: Some council topics for March meeting

2007-03-12 Thread Steve Long
Stephen Bennett wrote: >> OK, but it appears that PMS is not hosted on Gentoo infrastructure, >> and its development is not controlled by Gentoo. Therefore it is not a >> Gentoo project, and therefore the Council, QA, etc. should not be >> treating it if it is a Gentoo project. > > It's controlled

[gentoo-dev] TeX maintainer needed

2007-03-12 Thread Christian Faulhammer
Hi all, as nattfodd and ehmsen won't be working on TeX for Gentoo anymore, we need one or more new maintainer/s. Primary goal is to bring a working ebuild of TeXLive 2007 into Portage, as the current used and working one (teTeX) is dead upstream. There is an effort of a user [1] which could be a