Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT

2007-01-11 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 07:15:53AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:55:00 +0100 Harald van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | When does upstream get to install arbitrary content on my computer? > | Upstream's build system gets to write stuff to $D, but not to $ROOT > | (mali

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT

2007-01-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 16:02:01 +0900 Georgi Georgiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Why would it not be removed? Upstream installs in the sandbox, the | contents of the sandbox are recorded in the package database and | with collision-protect it will not override random stuff on my | computer. Unles

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT

2007-01-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 07:55:00 +0100 Harald van Dijk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | When does upstream get to install arbitrary content on my computer? | Upstream's build system gets to write stuff to $D, but not to $ROOT | (malice aside). The move to $ROOT, and anything after that, is the | ebuild writ

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT

2007-01-11 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 06:22:03AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 06:38:23 +0900 Georgi Georgiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | I agree that if an ebuild wants to misbehave it can and there is no > | stopping it. However, code that is executed in pkg_* is generally > | restri

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT

2007-01-11 Thread Georgi Georgiev
Quoting Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 06:38:23 +0900 Georgi Georgiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I agree that if an ebuild wants to misbehave it can and there is no | stopping it. However, code that is executed in pkg_* is generally | restricted to code written by the

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT

2007-01-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 06:38:23 +0900 Georgi Georgiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I agree that if an ebuild wants to misbehave it can and there is no | stopping it. However, code that is executed in pkg_* is generally | restricted to code written by the person who is involved in | maintaining the ebu

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ideas for projects...

2007-01-11 Thread Richard Fish
On 1/11/07, Bo Ørsted Andresen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Friday 12 January 2007 05:43, Richard Fish wrote: > My idea would be to extend emaint to check package.keywords and > package.use for obsolete flags, unnecessary atoms (like foo-1.2 in > keywords when foo-1.3 is stable), atoms that don'

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ideas for projects...

2007-01-11 Thread Bo Ørsted Andresen
On Friday 12 January 2007 05:43, Richard Fish wrote: > My idea would be to extend emaint to check package.keywords and > package.use for obsolete flags, unnecessary atoms (like foo-1.2 in > keywords when foo-1.3 is stable), atoms that don't match any current > ebuild, and so on. app-portage/eix al

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ideas for projects...

2007-01-11 Thread Richard Fish
On 1/11/07, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The Gentoo Council is looking for some ideas for some small projects that we could initiate that would help Gentoo. My idea would be to extend emaint to check package.keywords and package.use for obsolete flags, unnecessary atoms (like foo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Council Meeting Log and Summary for 11th January 2006

2007-01-11 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 07:17:41PM -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > See attached. And I need to look at my calendar again, it's 2007 now and not 2006. -- Robin Hugh Johnson Gentoo Linux Developer E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG FP : 11AC BA4F 4778 E3F6 E4ED F38E B27B 944E 3488 4E85 pgpE

[gentoo-dev] Council Meeting Log and Summary for 11th January 2006

2007-01-11 Thread Robin H. Johnson
See attached. -- Robin Hugh Johnson Gentoo Linux Developer E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] GnuPG FP : 11AC BA4F 4778 E3F6 E4ED F38E B27B 944E 3488 4E85 Summary of the Gentoo Council meeting held 11 January 2006 -- (Summary prepared by robb

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Some sync control

2007-01-11 Thread Luca Barbato
Seemant Kulleen wrote: GIT is a good alternative, but has massive changes of it's own, particularly I think in workflow. Workflow is important, and it's beneficial to make the workflow changes at the same time as the backend is changed. Alec, Can you speak to some of these workflow changes?

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Some sync control

2007-01-11 Thread Seemant Kulleen
> GIT is a good alternative, but has massive changes of it's own, > particularly I think in workflow. Workflow is important, and it's > beneficial to make the workflow changes at the same time as the backend > is changed. Alec, Can you speak to some of these workflow changes? I only have expe

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Some sync control

2007-01-11 Thread Alec Warner
Seemant Kulleen wrote: > On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 14:08 -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > >> However, for several reasons this is not yet feasible, and furthermore > > Just for the sake of completeness can you outline those reasons? > > Thanks, > The status quo is a harsh mistress. 'There is no c

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ideas for projects...

2007-01-11 Thread Alec Warner
Simon Stelling wrote: > I like the idea. Something really useful I could think of is *drums* > > the implementation of GLEP 42. > GLEP 42 is almost fully implemented and is currently undergoing local testing (by me) to find the last of the obvious bugs. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Some sync control

2007-01-11 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 05:51:43PM -0500, Seemant Kulleen wrote: > On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 14:08 -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > > However, for several reasons this is not yet feasible, and furthermore > Just for the sake of completeness can you outline those reasons? I'm not saying it won't happen

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Some sync control

2007-01-11 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 14:08 -0800, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > However, for several reasons this is not yet feasible, and furthermore Just for the sake of completeness can you outline those reasons? Thanks, -- Seemant Kulleen Developer, Gentoo Linux -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

RE: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ideas for projects...

2007-01-11 Thread Jason Huebel
K, so my account hasn't been retired yet, so I'm making this comment as a developer (at least until someone gets around to my retirement bug). :-) I really like blubb's idea here. Not just of implementing GLEP 42, but the idea of having the Council responsible for overseeing and assigning tasks fo

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ideas for projects...

2007-01-11 Thread Simon Stelling
I like the idea. Something really useful I could think of is *drums* the implementation of GLEP 42. -- Kind Regards, Simon Stelling Gentoo/AMD64 Developer -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ideas for projects...

2007-01-11 Thread Daniel Drake
Chris Gianelloni wrote: Submit your ideas here, so we can discuss them. I will be choosing one idea that we think we can accomplish to test out the idea of Council-driven projects. Construction of a dynamic website for tracking kernel security issues. There are too many of them and too many k

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Some sync control

2007-01-11 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 11:49:43PM +0200, Simon Stelling wrote: > Piotr Jaroszy??ski wrote: > >What do you think? > I think it would be much nicer to have a VCS with support for atomic > commits. I agre, from multiple points of view including those of 1. developer who has broken stuff with epkgmov

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Some sync control

2007-01-11 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 10:29:58PM +0100, Piotr Jaroszy??ski wrote: > After yesterday epkgmove fun I thought that it would be nice to have some > control on when our cvstree is synced with mirrors. My first very basic idea > is just to put a block_sync file in the tree when smth big is going on,

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Some sync control

2007-01-11 Thread Simon Stelling
Piotr Jaroszyński wrote: What do you think? I think it would be much nicer to have a VCS with support for atomic commits. -- Kind Regards, Simon Stelling Gentoo/AMD64 Developer -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Some sync control

2007-01-11 Thread Petteri Räty
Piotr Jaroszyński kirjoitti: > Hello, > > After yesterday epkgmove fun I thought that it would be nice to have some > control on when our cvstree is synced with mirrors. My first very basic idea > is just to put a block_sync file in the tree when smth big is going on, like > new kde version sta

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT

2007-01-11 Thread Georgi Georgiev
maillog: 11/01/2007-17:02:48(+): Ciaran McCreesh types > On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:56:09 -0500 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | On Wednesday 10 January 2007 20:01, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | > On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:56:00 -0500 Mike Frysinger > | > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | > | as sta

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] Some sync control

2007-01-11 Thread Piotr Jaroszyński
Hello, After yesterday epkgmove fun I thought that it would be nice to have some control on when our cvstree is synced with mirrors. My first very basic idea is just to put a block_sync file in the tree when smth big is going on, like new kde version stabilization or big pkg move. Inside the fi

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ideas for projects...

2007-01-11 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 04:04:31PM -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > Robin Johnson came up with a good example, which was "genflags" an > application that was to gather information from the running system and > spit out a customized set of C(XX)FLAGS for the user. I should clarify, that genflags was

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ideas for projects...

2007-01-11 Thread George Prowse
Chris Gianelloni wrote: The Gentoo Council is looking for some ideas for some small projects that we could initiate that would help Gentoo. These project ideas should be things that are attainable in a measurable amount of time, and should be fairly small in scope. This would be in the same vei

[gentoo-dev] [RFC] Ideas for projects...

2007-01-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
The Gentoo Council is looking for some ideas for some small projects that we could initiate that would help Gentoo. These project ideas should be things that are attainable in a measurable amount of time, and should be fairly small in scope. This would be in the same vein as the Google Summer of

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT

2007-01-11 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 11:56:09 -0500 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Wednesday 10 January 2007 20:01, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:56:00 -0500 Mike Frysinger | > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | > | as stated in original e-mail, unattended/sandbox are just some | > | examples

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT

2007-01-11 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 10 January 2007 20:01, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 19:56:00 -0500 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | as stated in original e-mail, unattended/sandbox are just some > | examples, not the only ones > > So which RESTRICT values *should* the user legitimately have to c

Re: [gentoo-dev] deprecating /etc/make.profile

2007-01-11 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Wed, 10 Jan 2007 22:30:32 -0800 Ned Ludd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 17:37 +1300, Kent Fredric wrote: > > On 1/11/07, Marius Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > And I assume there is a non-trivial number of custom scripts out > > > there using make.profile, but th

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT

2007-01-11 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 09:07 +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote: > Further, by adopting ACCEPT_RESTRICT, it would be possible to be able to say: > ACCEPT_RESTRICT=-sandbox: Do not let any ebuild touch anything outside > the sandbox. > ACCEPT_RESTRICT=-userpriv: Do not let any ebuild run with elevated

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT

2007-01-11 Thread Kent Fredric
On 1/11/07, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: getting quite hostile. The only thing I can possibly gather from this is you're intentionally being fucking dense, so it's not worth my time. How is it that you can ignore half an email and only respond to something out of context and then

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] ACCEPT_RESTRICT for questionable values of RESTRICT

2007-01-11 Thread Edward Catmur
On Wed, 2007-01-10 at 13:32 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Wednesday 10 January 2007 13:03, Jakub Moc wrote: > > And RESTRICT=sandbox is still completely unneeded, > > commercial packages or not... We don't need to introduce a special > > RESTRICT because of two borked packages in the tree and w