Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: David Shakaryan (omp)

2006-10-14 Thread Peter Gordon
Christian Heim wrote: > [..] > So please welcome David as a new fellow developer among us! Welcome aboard, ompy. Now we can discuss openbox-related packaging tips together. ^_^ -- Peter Gordon (codergeek42) Gentoo Forums Global Moderator GnuPG Public Key ID: 0xFFC19479 / Fingerprint: DD68 A414

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-14 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 14 October 2006 21:46, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > As opposed to having to keep multiple ebuilds in sync, which is even > harder because they're not all in the same location. what are you talking about ? the point of having per-package defaults is so that you can enable a flag by defaul

[gentoo-dev] Re: Recommended -march settings [was: Re: CFLAGS paragraph submission for the GWN]

2006-10-14 Thread Ryan Hill
Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Saturday 14 October 2006 04:49, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: >>CFLAGS="-march=prescott -O2 -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer" > here's a good reason why gentoo-wiki is not official ... this is wrong. the > duo cpu's are not based on the pentium4 which is what the prescott i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resurrecting "Project Dolphin"

2006-10-14 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Robin H. Johnson wrote: > Hardware stuff: Haven't seen anyone mention sys-apps/lshw yet, so I'll throw it out. It's useful to get detailed information about some stuff. Thanks, Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: X.Org 7.1 is Stable

2006-10-14 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer wrote: > Tach Joshua, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) > > Joshua Baergen schrieb: >> Sven Köhler wrote: >>> Hmm, xorg-server-1.1* is stable now, but xorg-x11-7.1 is not. Did you >>> forget that ebuild? ;-) >> Sure did! I fixed it a while ago th

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-14 Thread Alec Warner
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:12:40 +0100 "Stuart Herbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | As the default USE flags are metadata about the package (not the | profile), it makes sense to store that data in the ebuild, along with | the rest of the package's metadata. No no on. Default

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-14 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:12:40 +0100 "Stuart Herbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | As the default USE flags are metadata about the package (not the | profile), it makes sense to store that data in the ebuild, along with | the rest of the package's metadata. No no on. Default USE flags are a property

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-14 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 04:49:39 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Saturday 14 October 2006 04:00, Richard Brown wrote: | > man portage says that package.use is one depend atom per line. | | that addresses the "we can do it" but not the "we should do it" | | maintaining a large lis

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: David Shakaryan (omp)

2006-10-14 Thread Mark Kowarsky
On Sunday 15 October 2006 05:12, Christian Heim wrote: > So please welcome David as a new fellow developer among us! Ompty Dompty, welcome to the dev team. Mark -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resurrecting "Project Dolphin"

2006-10-14 Thread Luca Barbato
Benjamin Judas wrote: > Hello folks, > Welcome back! (what about using just parted and have scripts that mime fdisk/mac-fdisk?) lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resurrecting "Project Dolphin"

2006-10-14 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 12:20:05AM +0200, Benjamin Judas wrote: > Yes, but this would be a bit too small. Currently I am at 156MB (some > applications suggested here already included). > > It could be a target for future development to create something like > a "minimal" release. I would have to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resurrecting "Project Dolphin"

2006-10-14 Thread Benjamin Judas
On Sunday 15 October 2006 00:04, Tobias Scherbaum wrote: > As some modern server machines doesn't ship with a cd/dvd-rom drive per > default also providing an usb-stick image (fitting on 128MB sticks?) > makes sense and would help a lot :) Yes, but this would be a bit too small. Currently I am at

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resurrecting "Project Dolphin"

2006-10-14 Thread Robin H. Johnson
On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 11:59:24PM +0200, Tobias Scherbaum wrote: > > Hello folks, > > > > it's been a while since I stepped back as a Gentoo-developer (about 1 1/4 > > years) and in that time I did exactly zero. > > Good news to see you back in action, Benni! :) > > > I hereby request every p

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resurrecting "Project Dolphin"

2006-10-14 Thread Tobias Scherbaum
> On Saturday 14 October 2006 23:33, Roy Bamford wrote: > > Evaluate the operating media. Should it be a CD, DVD, or USB > > A DVD+/-RW or USB would provide space for recovered data, if required. > > Currently the project is in the same state as it was months ago: an ISO-Image > with a maximum ca

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resurrecting "Project Dolphin"

2006-10-14 Thread Tobias Scherbaum
> Hello folks, > > it's been a while since I stepped back as a Gentoo-developer (about 1 1/4 > years) and in that time I did exactly zero. Good news to see you back in action, Benni! :) > I hereby request every person make suggestions. Please note, that Dolphin > will > be a CLI-based CD onl

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation

2006-10-14 Thread Nathan Sullivan
I could see that kinda working IMO Caleb...a president-like figure to run things, elected id say would be best, maybe 1 year terms or something, cannot be overruled but elections can be called early if some overly high percentage of council/others express concerns about the person... otherwise thei

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resurrecting "Project Dolphin"

2006-10-14 Thread Benjamin Judas
On Saturday 14 October 2006 23:33, Roy Bamford wrote: > Evaluate the operating media. Should it be a CD, DVD, or USB > A DVD+/-RW or USB would provide space for recovered data, if required. Currently the project is in the same state as it was months ago: an ISO-Image with a maximum capacity of 65

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resurrecting "Project Dolphin"

2006-10-14 Thread Roy Bamford
On 2006.10.14 19:56, Benjamin Judas wrote: Hello folks, it's been a while since I stepped back as a Gentoo-developer (about 1 1/4 years) [snip] I took the decision to reanimate "Project Dolphin". Dolphin was an experimental minimal CD similar to Grmbl aimed at semi-professionals and professio

[gentoo-dev] Announcing The Gentoo Common Lisp Project

2006-10-14 Thread Matthew Kennedy
See: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/common-lisp/index.xml A new project has been created to coordinate users and developers in the development of Common Lisp related software in Portage. Currently there is a * Project Page * Portage Overlay (Darcs) * Mailing List We hope users will

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: David Shakaryan (omp)

2006-10-14 Thread Roy Bamford
On 2006.10.14 20:12, Christian Heim wrote: Its my pleasure to introduce to you David Shakaryan (also known as omp), [snip] So please welcome David as a new fellow developer among us! -- Christian Heim GPG key ID: 9A9F68E6 Fingerprint: AEC4 87B8 32B8 4922 B3A9 DF79 CAE3 556F 9A9F 68E6 We

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resurrecting "Project Dolphin"

2006-10-14 Thread Natanael Copa
On Sat, 2006-10-14 at 16:58 -0400, Seemant Kulleen wrote: > > apk-tools (http://apk-tools.sourceforge.net). (the reason I didn't used > > the native gentoo binary package is that it has no support for custom > > pre/post install scripts, and you cant exclude things like documetnation > > in the tbz

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-14 Thread Caleb Cushing
As for the 20GB partition, I have no idea. Perhaps that's a limit imposed by libparted, but it's not a limit that *I* put into the code. don't remember much... it wasn't a limit. maybe that was when I tried the gentoo suggested settings... Patches are welcome. I'd help but I'm no dev. sys ad

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resurrecting "Project Dolphin"

2006-10-14 Thread Seemant Kulleen
> apk-tools (http://apk-tools.sourceforge.net). (the reason I didn't used > the native gentoo binary package is that it has no support for custom > pre/post install scripts, and you cant exclude things like documetnation > in the tbz2, even if you can exclude it dureing extraction. At that > point

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resurrecting "Project Dolphin"

2006-10-14 Thread Daniel Drake
Benjamin Judas wrote: Since I am sure that needs and ideas for such a CD have changed in the last 15 months, it's definitely a good idea to ask again which applications or services should be available on that CD. I hereby request every person make suggestions. rsync -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.o

[gentoo-dev] Re: X.Org 7.1 is Stable

2006-10-14 Thread Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer
Tach Joshua, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) Joshua Baergen schrieb: > Sven Köhler wrote: >> Hmm, xorg-server-1.1* is stable now, but xorg-x11-7.1 is not. Did you >> forget that ebuild? ;-) > Sure did! I fixed it a while ago though, so re-syncing now should get > you the r

Re: [gentoo-dev] New Developer: David Shakaryan (omp)

2006-10-14 Thread Krzysiek Pawlik
Christian Heim wrote: > Its my pleasure to introduce to you David Shakaryan (also known as omp), our > latest addition joining to help out with desktop-misc and the commonbox-herd. ... > His skillset isn't as evolved as lack's; he only knows Bash, > PHP/HTML/XHTML/CSS and Ruby. But he's looking

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resurrecting "Project Dolphin"

2006-10-14 Thread Tobias Klausmann
Hi! On Sat, 14 Oct 2006, Benjamin Judas wrote: > it's been a while since I stepped back as a Gentoo-developer (about 1 1/4 > years) and in that time I did exactly zero. Private life (and unfortunately > stress) kept sucking up my time and interest in helping out in development > work. However,

[gentoo-dev] New Developer: David Shakaryan (omp)

2006-10-14 Thread Christian Heim
Its my pleasure to introduce to you David Shakaryan (also known as omp), our latest addition joining to help out with desktop-misc and the commonbox-herd. He hails from Glendale (that's in the Los Angeles area as he told me). So far he hasn't contributed anything big (like being a dev) to any

[gentoo-dev] Resurrecting "Project Dolphin"

2006-10-14 Thread Benjamin Judas
Hello folks, it's been a while since I stepped back as a Gentoo-developer (about 1 1/4 years) and in that time I did exactly zero. Private life (and unfortunately stress) kept sucking up my time and interest in helping out in development work. However, now after a long hiatus, I feel the need t

Re: Recommended -march settings [was: Re: [gentoo-dev] CFLAGS paragraph submission for the GWN]

2006-10-14 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 14 October 2006 05:46, Wernfried Haas wrote: > What about creating an official document for both -march/mtune and > CFLAGS settings for different CPUs? last i checked they're all supported -mike pgp04ODZTAmC0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] treecleaner maskings (more of them)

2006-10-14 Thread Christian Heim
On Saturday, 14. October. 2006 17:18, Christian Heim wrote: > As Alec forgot to announce these, I'm going to announce them, and adjust > the Removal time. > > # Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (06 Sep 2006) > # Masked by treecleaners for bug(s) # 50661 > # Dead upstream, broken. > net-im/universalk

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-14 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Caleb Cushing wrote: partition limits are decided by the size of the drive and the other partitions on it. really that seems impossible. GLI told me I couldn't have a boot partion smaller than ~50MB it complained about it. and I think I remember it complaining less because I was able to continu

Re: [gentoo-dev] treecleaner maskings (more of them)

2006-10-14 Thread Christian Heim
On Saturday, 14. October. 2006 17:18, Christian Heim wrote: > As Alec forgot to announce these, I'm going to announce them, and adjust > the Removal time. > > # Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (06 Sep 2006) > # Masked by treecleaners for bug(s) # 50661 > # Dead upstream, broken. > net-im/universalk

Re: [gentoo-dev] treecleaner maskings (more of them)

2006-10-14 Thread Christian Heim
On Saturday, 14. October. 2006 17:18, Christian Heim wrote: > As Alec forgot to announce these, I'm going to announce them, and adjust > the Removal time. > > # Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (06 Sep 2006) > # Masked by treecleaners for bug(s) # 50661 > # Dead upstream, broken. > net-im/universalk

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-14 Thread Caleb Cushing
partition limits are decided by the size of the drive and the other partitions on it. really that seems impossible. GLI told me I couldn't have a boot partion smaller than ~50MB it complained about it. and I think I remember it complaining less because I was able to continue ... about having 140

Re: [gentoo-dev] *plop*

2006-10-14 Thread Jose Alberto Suarez Lopez
Another sad notice... so good luck with your new dev project (codename baby) ;) and of course, if you want i can take your gnap project better as i can. i hope stay in touch with you. hugs -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

[gentoo-dev] treecleaner maskings

2006-10-14 Thread Christian Heim
As Alec forgot to announce these, I'm going to announce them, and adjust the Removal time. # Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (06 Sep 2006) # Masked by treecleaners for bug(s) # 50661 # Dead upstream, broken. net-im/universalkopete The above mentioned package(s) is scheduled from removal 30 days

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-14 Thread Preston Cody
I can understand chris's position. but it would be nice if he would consider the development of a script for the "livecd" that could extract the stage4 on it and include documentation in the handbook on how to do it. being done for next release. i'm assuming you meant stage3 here. because as

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation

2006-10-14 Thread Caleb Cushing
I agree. what we're seeing is a failure of democracy. at first it works. then people have opinions. then bickering starts. and no one has the power to stamp there foot down and say this is our direction. It doesn't work very well. at the least we need a president like figure. of course I'm not aga

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Missing: Universal-CD - Gentoo discriminates shell and networkless users

2006-10-14 Thread Caleb Cushing
don't forget the gentoo-catalyst@lists.gentoo.org if you want I can put together some spec files that would build a universal cd for you. I can understand chris's position. but it would be nice if he would consider the development of a script for the "livecd" that could extract the stage4 on it

Re: Recommended -march settings [was: Re: [gentoo-dev] CFLAGS paragraph submission for the GWN]

2006-10-14 Thread Christian Heim
On Saturday, 14. October. 2006 11:46, Wernfried Haas wrote: > On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 05:16:29AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Saturday 14 October 2006 04:49, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > > > Do we have an official list of recommended -march settings somewhere? > > > > [..] > > but what you a

Re: Recommended -march settings [was: Re: [gentoo-dev] CFLAGS paragraph submission for the GWN]

2006-10-14 Thread Simon Stelling
Wernfried Haas wrote: What about creating an official document for both -march/mtune and CFLAGS settings for different CPUs? If some other people like the idea and no one else volunteers i can go poke the different arch teams, toolchain folks and whoever else may be involved about it and compile

Re: [gentoo-dev] Seeking the missing dates that past and present developers joined Gentoo.

2006-10-14 Thread Maurice van der Pot
On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 05:42:59AM -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > I added ~100 joined dates thus far, however the > archives (esp. for -core) that I have access to are not complete, and > don't go back nearly as far as the depths of Gentoo history, Have you considered using the recruiters bugs

Re: Recommended -march settings [was: Re: [gentoo-dev] CFLAGS paragraph submission for the GWN]

2006-10-14 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 05:16:29AM -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Saturday 14 October 2006 04:49, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > > Do we have an official list of recommended -march settings somewhere? > [..] > but what you actually want is a list that tells you what cpu value to pass > to -march/

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP: RESTRICT=interactive

2006-10-14 Thread paul
Zac Medico schrieb: > Perhaps "unattended", since interactive ebuilds must be attended... +1, it rings a bell somewhere ;) cheers Paul -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: Recommended -march settings [was: Re: [gentoo-dev] CFLAGS paragraph submission for the GWN]

2006-10-14 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 14 October 2006 04:49, Sebastian Bergmann wrote: > Do we have an official list of recommended -march settings somewhere? > > I, for one, still do not know what the right CFLAGS for my ThinkPad X60s > with its Intel Core Duo CPU are. but what you actually want is a list that tells yo

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-14 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Saturday 14 October 2006 04:00, Richard Brown wrote: > man portage says that package.use is one depend atom per line. that addresses the "we can do it" but not the "we should do it" maintaining a large list of defaults in a profile is ugly ... instead of having all the information self contai

Recommended -march settings [was: Re: [gentoo-dev] CFLAGS paragraph submission for the GWN]

2006-10-14 Thread Sebastian Bergmann
Lionel Bouton wrote: > > We would like to remind you that using anything beyond -O2 > -fomit-frame-pointer -march/-mcpu/-mtune in CFLAGS or CXXFLAGS (and > -mieee, -mabi etc. on selected archs that tell you to do this), > and using anything at all in LDFLAGS or ASFLAGS, is usually not worth it > f

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: per-package default USE flags

2006-10-14 Thread Richard Brown
On 13/10/06, Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Friday 13 October 2006 09:54, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 02:40:59 -0700 Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | At the profile level, I've added support for package.use > | which behaves like /etc/portage/package.use that ever