[gentoo-dev] Re: New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer
Tach Ramon, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) Thanks for that post. Ramon van Alteren schrieb: > 9. Most of this mail has been on policies, expected behavior and > perceived behavior. I would like to get this discussion back to > technical issues wrt to generating stages/see

[gentoo-dev] Re: New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Daniel Watkins
Thomas Cort wrote: > On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:11:17 -0400 > Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> why does it need to be part of releng ? > > releng and seeds will be doing similar tasks, releasing stage tarballs. Might I ask why it needs to be anywhere specific until it's actually had m

[gentoo-dev] Re: New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Daniel Watkins
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > Being a top level project, you are in essence saying that we want to do > this on our own without the help of a group that has been doing a less > focused version of what you are aiming to provide. It goes against the > entire point of the cooperatio

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: The Seed Project - Try 2

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 23:15, Daniel Watkins wrote: > And I don't use a LAMP server (and have only the vaguest grasp on what they > are) and, I've gotta say, I'm pretty excited by it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LAMP_%28software_bundle%29 -mike pgpC38qyNsX96.pgp Description: PGP signatu

[gentoo-dev] Re: The Seed Project - Try 2

2006-09-20 Thread Daniel Watkins
Chris & Seed Project Devs, I'm only a lowly user of Gentoo (some of you may remember us, we're the reason for ever writing a GLEP or committing an ebuild in the first place). I just wanted to say, in a place where other devs could see, that I think this is an excellent idea. Reading the gentoo-dev

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Seed Project - Try 2

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 22:43, Chris White wrote: > 1) Weekly summary of the project provided about Saturday my time, as that's > about the only guaranteed free time I can provide for a project just getting started, seems like a lot ... but i'm not part of said project so i cant really say

Re: [gentoo-dev] The Seed Project - Try 2

2006-09-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris White wrote: 1) Weekly summary of the project provided about Saturday my time, as that's about the only guaranteed free time I can provide More communication in Gentoo is always good. We're nowhere near the tipping point of too much communication. 2) Working with both sides to produce

[gentoo-dev] The Seed Project - Try 2

2006-09-20 Thread Chris White
Ok, so we had a rather interesting debate (which quickly went out of control) today on the whole Gentoo seed project. One of the recommendations that came through the flames was a liaison to help communicate between the two parties, the people running the seed project and release engineering.

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Daniel Ostrow wrote: Here is my take on the issue, it's something I saw happen when Gentoo on Mac OSX was announced, again with Sunrise, and now with Seeds (also note I'm not making a value judgment about any of the aforementioned projects, I just note a similar progression of events). There are

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/21/06, Luca Barbato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Could you please planning something about acting as liason between projects touched by seeds? E.G. random guy starts contributing a media seed, I'd like to be notified and maybe have also x11 people notified, just in case the seed overlay is do

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Ramon van Alteren
Hi All, It's always interesting to be part of a project that seems to be in-focus considering the reply's, especially if it's your first within a OSS-group. It's a long reply, but please bear with me (is that correct english ?) Stuart Herbert wrote: On 9/20/06, Andrew Gaffney <[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 19:50, Stephen Bennett wrote: > Sharing the idea and looking for consultation is one thing. Saying > "Gentoo is now doing this, like it or not" is quite another. funny, i dont recall him forcing anyone to help him -mike pgp1ZuNPbbA3B.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Josh Saddler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oh look, we just got Slashdotted by someone doing their level best to create a smear campaign, or at least to spread FUD: http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/06/09/20/2246231.shtml As I said on IRC, new project, new whiteboard. why don't we leave it up to

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Thu, 21 Sep 2006 01:29:58 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh noes! Someone had an unexpected and unconsulted idea that he wanted > to share with others, shoot him!!!111! OMG, so much for inovation and > progress... Sharing the idea and looking for consultation is one thing. Saying

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Seemant Kulleen
In that case, why don't we just consider Stuart's initial mail on this thing to *be* the effing announcement and be done with it? Fact is, no matter how something is brought up, there is a dependable group of people who will have something against it (oh fuck it, we know I'm referring to Ciaran h

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:42:13 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | As Donnie said; if this is the thanks one gets for trying out a new > | idea; then why try at all. > > The complaints are not that Stuart tried a new idea. Stop trying to > spin things that way

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Luca Barbato
Stuart Herbert wrote: > Hi, > > I've created a new project, called Gentoo Seeds [1]. The aim of the project > is to create stage4 tarballs which can be used to 'seed' new boxes with > ready-built Gentoo solutions. Interestingly enough releng was planning some stage4 support for the next release

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Daniel Ostrow
On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 18:42 -0400, Alec Warner wrote: > This whole thread is quite disappointing to me. Someone comes up with a > new way to use Gentoo; to make it a viable tool for a job; to make it > USEFUL. This is what we are about here (or were?). > > "Put another way, the Gentoo philosophy

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 18:53, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > The complaints are that he allegedly did it > without consultation, and that he sprang this unexpectedly. he started a new project and he announced, whoopity do stop making a big deal over nothing -mike pgppKe9FuRp5z.pgp Description

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Stuart Herbert wrote: On 9/20/06, Andrew Gaffney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, now it's gotten to the point where people are being sneaky and underhanded about this whole thing. Stuart (I believe) said that they had talked to members of releng about this, but the truth seems to be that Stuar

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:42:13 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | As Donnie said; if this is the thanks one gets for trying out a new | idea; then why try at all. The complaints are not that Stuart tried a new idea. Stop trying to spin things that way. The complaints are that he allegedl

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Alec Warner
This whole thread is quite disappointing to me. Someone comes up with a new way to use Gentoo; to make it a viable tool for a job; to make it USEFUL. This is what we are about here (or were?). "Put another way, the Gentoo philosophy is to create better tools."

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Danny van Dyk
Am Mittwoch, 20. September 2006 23:33 schrieb Chris White: > On Wednesday 20 September 2006 13:27, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > I was under the impression that you were supposed to GLEP anything > > of this scope and get council approval... The "anyone can make a > > project" rule doesn't replace the

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/20/06, Andrew Gaffney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, now it's gotten to the point where people are being sneaky and underhanded about this whole thing. Stuart (I believe) said that they had talked to members of releng about this, but the truth seems to be that Stuart talked with rocket and

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Josh Saddler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:42:02 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | Not that bugging people w/ pointless paperwork would contribute > | anything useful to this new project or get any work done... What > | exactly is the

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:42:02 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | Not that bugging people w/ pointless paperwork would contribute > | anything useful to this new project or get any work done... What > | exactly is there to GLEP at this point? > > A GLEP is not po

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:42:02 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Not that bugging people w/ pointless paperwork would contribute | anything useful to this new project or get any work done... What | exactly is there to GLEP at this point? A GLEP is not pointless paperwork if done correctly

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:41:11 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | > I was under the impression that you were supposed to GLEP anything > | > of this scope and get council approval... The "anyone can make a > | > project" rule doesn't rep

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Michael Cummings
On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 21:27 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:27:50 +0100 "Stuart Herbert" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | I was hoping to avoid having to say this - actually I was hoping to > | avoid this whole drama - but we _don't_ need releng's approval to do > | this. T

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Chris White
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 13:27, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > I was under the impression that you were supposed to GLEP anything of > this scope and get council approval... The "anyone can make a project" > rule doesn't replace the requirement to GLEP large changes. Why? It's in an overlay so it

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:41:11 +0200 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > I was under the impression that you were supposed to GLEP anything | > of this scope and get council approval... The "anyone can make a | > project" rule doesn't replace the requirement to GLEP larg

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:45:24 -0400 Seemant Kulleen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 20:33 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | > On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:00:59 +0100 Stuart Herbert | > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > | I've created a new project, called Gentoo Seeds [1]. The aim of | > |

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 15:33, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:00:59 +0100 Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > | I've created a new project, called Gentoo Seeds [1]. The aim of the > | project is to create stage4 tarballs which can be used to 'seed' new > | boxes with ready

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > I was under the impression that you were supposed to GLEP anything of > this scope and get council approval... The "anyone can make a project" > rule doesn't replace the requirement to GLEP large changes. > http://dev.gentoo.org/~chriswhite/xml_source/flame.xml - Code Lis

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Seemant Kulleen
On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 20:33 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:00:59 +0100 Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | I've created a new project, called Gentoo Seeds [1]. The aim of the > | project is to create stage4 tarballs which can be used to 'seed' new > | boxes with

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Josh Saddler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:00:59 +0100 Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | I've created a new project, called Gentoo Seeds [1]. The aim of the > | project is to create stage4 tarballs which can be used to 'seed' new >

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Josh Saddler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Stuart Herbert wrote: > On 9/20/06, Danny van Dyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> As long as we have no package sets support in portage, I do indeed think >> that this is the best way to go. Didn't realize that you mentioned it, >> too. >> @Stuart: What

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 20:00:59 +0100 Stuart Herbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I've created a new project, called Gentoo Seeds [1]. The aim of the | project is to create stage4 tarballs which can be used to 'seed' new | boxes with ready-built Gentoo solutions. Wouldn't this be considered a wide r

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 16:27, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:27:50 +0100 "Stuart Herbert" > | I was hoping to avoid having to say this - actually I was hoping to > | avoid this whole drama - but we _don't_ need releng's approval to do > | this. To delay progress, Chris wi

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/20/06, Danny van Dyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As long as we have no package sets support in portage, I do indeed think that this is the best way to go. Didn't realize that you mentioned it, too. @Stuart: What do you think? Right now, I'm not too concerned about the lack of package set su

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/20/06, Danny van Dyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Stuart, The pages are correct. Cool. He didn't called you a liar. "You haven't spoken to anyone on the genkernel or catalyst development teams." - was in response to me saying that I had. It's difficult to interpret that as anything

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 20:27:50 +0100 "Stuart Herbert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | I was hoping to avoid having to say this - actually I was hoping to | avoid this whole drama - but we _don't_ need releng's approval to do | this. To delay progress, Chris will need to make a formal complaint | to th

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Stuart Herbert wrote: To delay progress, Chris will need to make a formal complaint to the Council. About what? Our own metastructure proposal explicitly says competing projects are allowed. There is no complaint, there's just attempts to convince each other that a formal hierarchy is actuall

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 16:01, Andrew Gaffney wrote: > Well, now it's gotten to the point where people are being sneaky and > underhanded about this whole thing. jesus give over and stop nit picking when they're ready to actually make a release and they dont go through releng, feel free t

Re: [gentoo-dev] RFC: Package Manager Specification: configuration protection

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Tuesday 12 September 2006 19:57, Zac Medico wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Sep 2006 15:44:22 -0700 Zac Medico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > | 3) Prevents /etc/foo from matching /etc/foobaz or /etc/foobaz/bar. > > > > Is this really desired behaviour? > > In my opinion, i

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer wrote: Tach Andrew, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) Andrew Gaffney schrieb: As somebody's already mentioned, the embedded project releases GNAP and has a releng liaison. There's no reason the seeds project couldn't also have a releng liaison,

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Josh Saddler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andrew Gaffney wrote: > That's not the issue. The issue is that there should *already* be a > releng liason, but nobody from releng seems to know anything about this > project. > I dunno . . . does releng really need to be involved, except if these s

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Joshua Jackson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Joshua Jackson wrote: >> However, as >> Chris stated loudly, that this is something that falls directly in >> line with Release Engineerings goal. Its not a top level project that >> creates something entirely new. Its a extens

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 15:26, Andrew Gaffney wrote: > That's not the issue. The issue is that there should *already* be a releng > liason, but nobody from releng seems to know anything about this project. they havent even started releasing anything yet, they're just getting started why ar

[gentoo-dev] Re: New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Christian 'Opfer' Faulhammer
Tach Andrew, 0x2B859DE3 (PGP-PK-ID) Andrew Gaffney schrieb: >> As somebody's already mentioned, the embedded project releases GNAP and >> has a releng liaison. There's no reason the seeds project couldn't also >> have a releng liaison, which seems to resolve the ma

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Steve Dibb
Stuart Herbert wrote: Besides, I'm sure we'll delay our own progress whilst we figure out how to make seeds work well ;-) I think folks are getting carried away here! Let's get stuff working first, eh? I think its also worth mentioning that the whole thing is also currently in *planning* sta

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Danny van Dyk
Am Mittwoch, 20. September 2006 20:56 schrieb Donnie Berkholz: > Danny van Dyk wrote: > > * How do you want to implement the profiles? > > > > * Re: the meta-ebuilds you'd been talking about in this thread: > > Have you yet considered to use the profiles' packages file? > > I've mentioned this idea

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/20/06, Matthew Marlowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 3) We are where we are at today. Stuart comes up with a great idea for the seeds project which might help address the virtualization address image and it appears releng doesnt like it, so progress could be delayed by another 6 months to year

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Andrew Gaffney
Donnie Berkholz wrote: Andrew Gaffney wrote: Mike Frysinger wrote: On Wednesday 20 September 2006 12:38, Alec Warner wrote: I think Chris's primary concern is one of "Tell us whats up before it happens." why should he care ? some Gentoo guys take catalyst and produce stage4s directed at cert

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Joshua Jackson wrote: > However, as > Chris stated loudly, that this is something that falls directly in > line with Release Engineerings goal. Its not a top level project that > creates something entirely new. Its a extension of the release of > images that allow you to install a system. Sure, ne

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Danny van Dyk wrote: > * How do you want to implement the profiles? > > * Re: the meta-ebuilds you'd been talking about in this thread: Have you > yet considered to use the profiles' packages file? I've mentioned this idea to Stuart. Thanks for bringing it up again. Do you think it's the best w

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Andrew Gaffney wrote: > Mike Frysinger wrote: >> On Wednesday 20 September 2006 12:38, Alec Warner wrote: >>> I think Chris's primary concern is one of "Tell us whats up before it >>> happens." >> >> why should he care ? some Gentoo guys take catalyst and produce >> stage4s directed at certain app

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: want to join gentoo developer team

2006-09-20 Thread S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu)
Thanks for this cool answer . Ok, i will try my best. going join in amd64 mailing list.Yep, i am interesting on documentation. I done lot's of work on google translation and also member of http://ekushey.org which a group that works for bengla localization.again thanks for ur suggestion.On 9/20/06

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Jon Portnoy
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:49:40AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > Because it's *REALLY* stupid and shows just how unprofessional we are > when we have multiple groups doing the *EXACT* same thing using > different policies and procedures and all pushing it as if it were > *OFFICIAL* for the di

Re: [gentoo-dev] default USE flags in profiles (oss)

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
oss is dead, why bother going with it in default USE anymore ? alsa forever ! -mike pgpVBY4JRJGLM.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-20 Thread Josh Saddler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Simon Stelling wrote: > Hello all, > > I would like you to share your comments on the attached GLEP with me. > > Thanks in advance! While this has a novel approach to the problem (at least, I haven't seen anything else that tries to solve the LICENS

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 12:43, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > Michael Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > We already have an existing LICENSE keywording in the ebuilds, > > why not just focus on patching portage to allow a make.conf variable > > for allowed licenses and block based on that? > >

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 12:38, Alec Warner wrote: > I think Chris's primary concern is one of "Tell us whats up before it > happens." why should he care ? some Gentoo guys take catalyst and produce stage4s directed at certain applications they arent talking about any of the tools releng

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-20 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 10:05:00 -0400 Michael Cummings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 13:36 +0200, Simon Stelling wrote: > > > Every license which a package in the portage tree depends on gets a > > package in the ``txt-licenses/`` category. Its ebuild must install > > the licens

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Alec Warner
Stuart Herbert wrote: > On 9/20/06, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Uhh... "seeds"? > > Yes, seeds. Seems to describe what we're working towards as well as > any other name. > >> "bring the work to the main tree"? >> >> As in... duplicate functionality already provided by catalyst

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-20 Thread Stephen Bennett
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:36:11 +0200 Simon Stelling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would like you to share your comments on the attached GLEP with me. It seems to me to be an attempt to move what is obviously the package manager's job into the tree, and making it far more complex than it needs to b

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Ramon van Alteren
Hi, I'm one of the people working on seeds. It's not a new project afaic i produce seed-alike things anyway because I need to run a large serverpark on gentoo and I can't hand-install servers anymore. We generate custom stage4's tailored to our environment. One of the reasons i was/am interes

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-20 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 20 September 2006 07:36, Simon Stelling wrote: > I would like you to share your comments on the attached GLEP with me. why not just implement GLEP 23 -mike pgpZSKauYbIhF.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-20 Thread Vlastimil Babka
Michael Cummings wrote: This doesn't make sense to me. I have a copy of every license used in the portage tree already in /usr/portage/licenses - why dup that again? We already have an existing LICENSE keywording in the ebuilds, why not just focus on patching portage to allow a make.conf variable

[gentoo-dev] Re: want to join gentoo developer team

2006-09-20 Thread Duncan
"S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:05:52 +0600: > hi everybody, > i am from bangladesh. Have some knowledge on *nix (linux and unix). I > like gentoo very much. > And runing gentoo x86 on a EM64T (i will install amd64 ton

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-20 Thread Luca Barbato
Simon Stelling wrote: > GLEP: 52 I don't like it: too complex, glep 23 is fine. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: > I apologise to everyone for my responses to this. Thank you. Donnie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/20/06, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Catalyst doesn't provide ongoing maintenance or migration of installed > systems ... you need more than just a spec file for one of these seeds. Like what? It sounds like they aren't providing anything but tarballs. Tarballs, VMware im

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 15:07 +0100, Stuart Herbert wrote: > > Why hasn't anybody even *tried* to contact Release Engineering on > > something like this, considering we already have all of the tools > > necessary to complete this, as well as the expertise? > > We have, and folks there have been very

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 07:04 -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > "bring the work to the main tree"? > > > > As in... duplicate functionality already provided by catalyst for quite > > some time? > > Catalyst doesn't provide ongoing maintenance or migration of installed > s

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 21:11 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote: > why does it need to be part of releng ? GNAP does releases with catalyst, > but > it's part of embedded We also consider Koon to be a part of Release Engineering and he works with us and we work with him for GNAP. He even has access to

[gentoo-dev] Re: GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-20 Thread Duncan
Simon Stelling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:36:11 +0200: > Every license which a package in the portage tree depends on gets a > package in the ``txt-licenses/`` category. Its ebuild must install the > license text to ``/usr/shared/licenses

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/20/06, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Uhh... "seeds"? Yes, seeds. Seems to describe what we're working towards as well as any other name. "bring the work to the main tree"? As in... duplicate functionality already provided by catalyst for quite some time? No. As in, bri

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Chris Gianelloni wrote: "bring the work to the main tree"? As in... duplicate functionality already provided by catalyst for quite some time? Catalyst doesn't provide ongoing maintenance or migration of installed systems ... you need more than just a spec file for one of these seeds. Why h

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-20 Thread Michael Cummings
On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 13:36 +0200, Simon Stelling wrote: > Every license which a package in the portage tree depends on gets a package in > the ``txt-licenses/`` category. Its ebuild must install the license text to > ``/usr/shared/licenses/``. The initial version shall be 1 if there is no > ver

Re: Fw: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 01:05 -0700, Matthew Marlowe wrote: > I would see the workflow proceed in the following manner: > Releng herd makes available new official gentoo releases Uhh... we aren't a herd. -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering Strategic Lead Alpha/AMD64/x86 Architecture Teams

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 20:00 +0100, Stuart Herbert wrote: > Hi, > > I've created a new project, called Gentoo Seeds [1]. The aim of the project > is to create stage4 tarballs which can be used to 'seed' new boxes with > ready-built Gentoo solutions. Uhh... "seeds"? > Until we've gone through a f

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-20 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 03:36:07PM +0200, Krzysiek Pawlik wrote: > Simon Stelling wrote: > > I would like you to share your comments on the attached GLEP with me. > > I like the idea with one exception: > > > Licenses that need to be explicitly accepted before installation of a > > package > > (

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-20 Thread Simon Stelling
Krzysiek Pawlik wrote: >> # Simon Stelling <[EMAIL PROTECTED] (20 Sep 2006) >> # This license needs to be agreed on explicitly to be considered >> # legally binding. >> # By unmasking and installing the package you agree with its terms. >> txt-licenses/wierd-license > > Wh

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-20 Thread Krzysiek Pawlik
Simon Stelling wrote: > I would like you to share your comments on the attached GLEP with me. I like the idea with one exception: > Licenses that need to be explicitly accepted before installation of a package > (and only these) should be package.masked by default with a header like > the followi

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-20 Thread Simon Stelling
Steev Klimaszewski wrote: > I think it is over engineering of a non-issue. Which non-issue in particular? -- Kind Regards, Simon Stelling Gentoo/AMD64 developer -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-20 Thread Steev Klimaszewski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Steev Klimaszewski wrote: > Simon Stelling wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> I would like you to share your comments on the attached GLEP with me. >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> >>> >>> > > I think it is over engineering of a non-issue. And to expand, per

Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-20 Thread Steev Klimaszewski
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Simon Stelling wrote: > Hello all, > > I would like you to share your comments on the attached GLEP with me. > > Thanks in advance! > > > I think it is over engineering of a non-issue. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linu

[gentoo-dev] want to join gentoo developer team

2006-09-20 Thread S. M. Ibrahim (Lavlu)
hi everybody,i am from bangladesh. Have some knowledge on *nix (linux and unix). I like gentoo very much.And runing gentoo x86 on a EM64T  (i will install amd64 tonight).I am very much interested to join with you (gentoo developer team). What is the procedure??By the way, i applied for em64t, that

[gentoo-dev] GLEP 52 - GLEP 23 revisited

2006-09-20 Thread Simon Stelling
Hello all, I would like you to share your comments on the attached GLEP with me. Thanks in advance! -- Kind Regards, Simon Stelling Gentoo/AMD64 developer GLEP: 52 Title: License Managment in Portage Version: $Revision: $ Last-Modified: $Date: $ Author: Simon Stelling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Statu

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 9/20/06, Daniel Ostrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 2006-09-20 at 00:56 +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > First step should imho be, that you work with the Portage team on having > proper set support implemented. Current meta ebuilds do suck, really. No need for meta ebuilds...stage4 specs

Re: [gentoo-dev] New project: Gentoo Seeds

2006-09-20 Thread Thomas Cort
On Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:11:17 -0400 Mike Frysinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > why does it need to be part of releng ? releng and seeds will be doing similar tasks, releasing stage tarballs. -Thomas pgpIH4JTTufWm.pgp Description: PGP signature