Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation

2006-08-02 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Monday 31 July 2006 14:53, Bryan Ãstergaard wrote: > On Mon, Jul 31, 2006 at 01:01:20PM +0200, Christian Andreetta wrote: > > Many users (and I'm both a dev *and* a user) just could do much for > > Gentoo, but when you're interested in a niche sector package, you *don't > > have other choices* b

Re: [gentoo-dev] atom matching behavior

2006-08-02 Thread Harald van Dijk
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 07:07:35AM +0200, Marius Mauch wrote: > Repost from gentoo-portage-dev[1]: > > Was just brought to my attention that the =* operator doesn't work as I > thought, as for example =foo-1.2* matches foo-1.20 as well as foo-1.2.3. > This wouldn't be a bug problem if it could be

[gentoo-dev] test request - gnutls-1.4.1 and libtasn1-0.3.4

2006-08-02 Thread Daniel Black
I've added new versions of these libs to gentoo. They are currently in package.mask because I've missed a few bumps versions in between and there is an ABI change. Some old deprecated functions have been removed. So far these have been working for me fine however I'd appreciate your assistance

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Lance Albertson wrote: I think the point a lot of people are concerned about are packages that contain libraries or other dependencies that reside in the sunrise tree. There's a good chance that a package in the regular tree will link against a package from sunrise, the user will have no idea or

[gentoo-dev] atom matching behavior

2006-08-02 Thread Marius Mauch
Repost from gentoo-portage-dev[1]: Was just brought to my attention that the =* operator doesn't work as I thought, as for example =foo-1.2* matches foo-1.20 as well as foo-1.2.3. This wouldn't be a bug problem if it could be used as a general glob operator like with =foo-1.2.*, but it's use is st

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 10:27:04PM -0500, Lance Albertson wrote: > Brian Harring wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 08:05:15PM +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > > >> Local overlays are fine as the user exactly knows what he does in his > >> private > >> overlay (and hopefully follows eclass changes

Re: [gentoo-dev] The gnome king is dead, long live the gnome king

2006-08-02 Thread Aron Griffis
foser wrote: [Mon Jul 31 2006, 04:20:14PM EDT] > tonight after a some deliberation I have decided to step down as gnome > lead in favor of AllanonJL. Thanks for leading Gentoo's Gnome for so long, foser. > thanks for your time, > Marinus This must be a pretty serious announcement; I don't think

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Lance Albertson
Brian Harring wrote: > On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 08:05:15PM +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote: >> Local overlays are fine as the user exactly knows what he does in his >> private >> overlay (and hopefully follows eclass changes), development overlays are >> fine >> (assuming the group of people contro

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Lance Albertson
Brian Harring wrote: > On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 08:05:15PM +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote: >> First I'd like to state that I do offer my opinion. You don't have to like >> it, >> but disqualifying it as flaming, while exactly doing this yourself, >> disqualifies you. > > *cough*. bit hypocritical

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Brian Harring
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 08:05:15PM +0200, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > First I'd like to state that I do offer my opinion. You don't have to like > it, > but disqualifying it as flaming, while exactly doing this yourself, > disqualifies you. *cough*. bit hypocritical for you to lecture me about vie

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: last ritest for dev-java/saxon-bin

2006-08-02 Thread Alec Warner
Duncan wrote: Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:45:59 +: All that said, IMO these qualify for "announcements" as much as the GLSAs normally inhabiting the announce list do. That list isn't "glsa", it's "announce" and these ar

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-im/aim masked for removal

2006-08-02 Thread Thomas Cort
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 16:18:04 -0700 John Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 02 August 2006 16:12, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > > * Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > > I've masked net-im/aim, AOL's proprietary offering. It hasn't seen a > > > release in years, it's binary-only,

[gentoo-dev] Re: last ritest for dev-java/saxon-bin

2006-08-02 Thread Duncan
Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED], excerpted below, on Wed, 02 Aug 2006 18:45:59 +: > Enrico Weigelt wrote: >> * Petteri R?ty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >>> dev-java/saxon-bin is going to be removed from the tree as soon as the >>> from sources version dev-java/saxon

Re: [gentoo-dev] Replacing cpu-feature USE flags

2006-08-02 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Harald van D??k <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: hi, > What would it do if a gcc-specific option is used for which > the real compiler does not provide any option, even with a > different name? hmm, tricky. I've filed an bug in gcc-upstream for an similar issue, where gcc/ld is missing some a

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-im/aim masked for removal

2006-08-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Enrico Weigelt wrote: > BTW: could be introduce an separate (optional) masking method > for such proprietary stuff ? > > I personally don't want to have such stuff on my system, but I'm > really too lazy for check each package I intend to install by > its own. > > Would also be cool to have da

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-im/aim masked for removal

2006-08-02 Thread John Myers
On Wednesday 02 August 2006 16:12, Enrico Weigelt wrote: > * Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > I've masked net-im/aim, AOL's proprietary offering. It hasn't seen a > > release in years, it's binary-only, and it's far less capable than any > > other client out there. > > BTW: could be

Re: [gentoo-dev] net-im/aim masked for removal

2006-08-02 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > I've masked net-im/aim, AOL's proprietary offering. It hasn't seen a > release in years, it's binary-only, and it's far less capable than any > other client out there. BTW: could be introduce an separate (optional) masking method for such propriet

Re: [gentoo-dev] Treecleaner Maskings

2006-08-02 Thread Doug Goldstein
Enrico Weigelt wrote: > * Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > > > is this list auto-generated or evrything done by hand ? > This mailing list? Yes. It's auto-generated by monkeys... that's why there's so many darn messages on there. Occasionally Jeff's (jforman) goats will come and he

Re: [gentoo-dev] last ritest for dev-java/saxon-bin

2006-08-02 Thread Alec Warner
Enrico Weigelt wrote: > * Petteri R?ty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >> dev-java/saxon-bin is going to be removed from the tree as soon as the >> from sources version dev-java/saxon gets marked stable on arches that >> have saxon-bin stable. I will add a package move and a revision bump so >> that u

Re: [gentoo-dev] Treecleaner Maskings

2006-08-02 Thread Alec Warner
Enrico Weigelt wrote: > * Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > > > is this list auto-generated or evrything done by hand ? > > > cu I would be shot if it was automated; i will soon have some nifty bash scripts to generate e-mails and the pmask file, but they aren't done yet. All pac

Re: [gentoo-dev] last ritest for dev-java/saxon-bin

2006-08-02 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Petteri R?ty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > dev-java/saxon-bin is going to be removed from the tree as soon as the > from sources version dev-java/saxon gets marked stable on arches that > have saxon-bin stable. I will add a package move and a revision bump so > that user will have a smooth upgra

Re: [gentoo-dev] metastructure model (was Re: Sunrise contemplations)

2006-08-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:00:56 +0200 > Thierry Carrez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Excerpt from the metastructure model, chosen by the majority of devs >> last year (and not my model): >> [...] >> * It may have one or many leads, and the leads are selected by the >> member

Re: [gentoo-dev] Treecleaner Maskings

2006-08-02 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: is this list auto-generated or evrything done by hand ? cu -- - Enrico Weigelt== metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/ --

[gentoo-dev] metastructure model (was Re: Sunrise contemplations)

2006-08-02 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:00:56 +0200 Thierry Carrez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Excerpt from the metastructure model, chosen by the majority of devs > last year (and not my model): > [...] > * It may have one or many leads, and the leads are selected by the > members of the project. This selection

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Jakub Moc
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:49:19 -0500 "Alex Tarkovsky" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | On 8/2/06, Stephen P. Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | > > Every time you post it's like fingernails on a chalkboard... > | > Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's really funny! > |

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 14:49:19 -0500 "Alex Tarkovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On 8/2/06, Stephen P. Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > > Every time you post it's like fingernails on a chalkboard... | > > | > > http://arcanux.org/scarecrow.png | > | > Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's real

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation (was: Project Sunrise resumed)

2006-08-02 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 02:53:58PM -0500, Alex Tarkovsky wrote: > http://www.gentoo-sunrise.org/sunrise/wiki/SunriseFaq#ButBugzillaisactuallyeasier says: "We do think that Sunrise is easier." [..] "But in contrast to that it requires more knowledge and tools to get something into sunrise - more wo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Alec Warner
Alex Tarkovsky wrote: > On 8/2/06, Stephen P. Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Every time you post it's like fingernails on a chalkboard... >> > >> > http://arcanux.org/scarecrow.png >> >> Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's really funny! Do you photoshop >> your own material? Do you? Beca

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation (was: Project Sunrise resumed)

2006-08-02 Thread Alex Tarkovsky
On 8/2/06, Roy Marples <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wednesday 02 August 2006 15:27, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > On Monday 31 July 2006 04:28, Dan Meltzer wrote: > > 1) Users can submit patches/ideas to bugs.g.o at whatever frequency > > they desire, contributing to gentoo casually. > > And the patch

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Alex Tarkovsky
On 8/2/06, Stephen P. Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Every time you post it's like fingernails on a chalkboard... > > http://arcanux.org/scarecrow.png Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's really funny! Do you photoshop your own material? Do you? Because that is so fresh. Ciaranm is like a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Carsten Lohrke
First I'd like to state that I do offer my opinion. You don't have to like it, but disqualifying it as flaming, while exactly doing this yourself, disqualifies you. I'd appreciate, if you would try to have a controversial discussion, without starting to loose your manners. On Wednesday 02 Augu

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation

2006-08-02 Thread Carsten Lohrke
On Wednesday 02 August 2006 05:50, Richard Fish wrote: > Nothing that I have read about sunrise, either in GWN, their project > pages, or the FAQ, has given me the impression that they are "urging > all users to give it a try". There is certainly some advertising > about it, as would be appropriat

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sunrise contemplations

2006-08-02 Thread Wernfried Haas
On Wed, Aug 02, 2006 at 03:55:44PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:07:31 -0700 Donnie Berkholz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | One could argue that since the metastructure policy was approved more > | recently, anything in it that contradicts previous rules takes > | prece

Re: [gentoo-dev] RT2X00_DEVICE USE_EXPAND

2006-08-02 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 02 August 2006 10:21, Roy Marples wrote: > On Wednesday 02 August 2006 15:09, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > Perhaps because other options exist? I'd have suggested WIRELESS_DEVICES > > (or even ETHERNET_DEVICES or NET_DEVICES) instead, which would work for > > your case and also be applic

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sunrise contemplations

2006-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:07:31 -0700 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | One could argue that since the metastructure policy was approved more | recently, anything in it that contradicts previous rules takes | precedence. "Freedom to make new projects anytime" beats "must use | GLEP for si

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Monday 31 July 2006 08:47, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Knowing what the problem is is part of making the solution. The problem > is not that users can't push arbitrary content into a centralised > official repository with no oversight from the herds appropriate for > said content quickly enough. I

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation (was: Project Sunrise resumed)

2006-08-02 Thread Roy Marples
On Wednesday 02 August 2006 15:27, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > On Monday 31 July 2006 04:28, Dan Meltzer wrote: > > 1) Users can submit patches/ideas to bugs.g.o at whatever frequency > > they desire, contributing to gentoo casually. > > And the patch hanging in bugzilla forever because no-one wants to

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation (was: Project Sunrise resumed)

2006-08-02 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Monday 31 July 2006 04:28, Dan Meltzer wrote: > I do not see why it is considdered hard for users to "get involved". > Users have at least two choices that I can think of right now, and > probably a number that I cannot think of. > > 1) Users can submit patches/ideas to bugs.g.o at whatever freq

Re: [gentoo-dev] RT2X00_DEVICE USE_EXPAND

2006-08-02 Thread Roy Marples
On Wednesday 02 August 2006 15:09, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Perhaps because other options exist? I'd have suggested WIRELESS_DEVICES > (or even ETHERNET_DEVICES or NET_DEVICES) instead, which would work for > your case and also be applicable to other packages. Well, they are specific drivers from

Re: [gentoo-dev] RT2X00_DEVICE USE_EXPAND

2006-08-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Roy Marples wrote: Seeing as this requires discussion according to make.defaults The rt2x00 cvs driver supports various RT wireless chipsets and the user should be able to control which one gets installed. This is also important as the cvs portion of a specific driver may break over time. I'

Re: [gentoo-dev] Resignation (was: Project Sunrise resumed)

2006-08-02 Thread Chris Bainbridge
On 02/08/06, Carsten Lohrke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Monday 31 July 2006 04:52, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Sunday 30 July 2006 22:28, Dan Meltzer wrote: > > 1) Users can submit patches/ideas to bugs.g.o at whatever frequency > > they desire, contributing to gentoo casually. > > load up your

[gentoo-dev] RT2X00_DEVICE USE_EXPAND

2006-08-02 Thread Roy Marples
Seeing as this requires discussion according to make.defaults The rt2x00 cvs driver supports various RT wireless chipsets and the user should be able to control which one gets installed. This is also important as the cvs portion of a specific driver may break over time. I've already modified th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Stephen P. Becker
Every time you post it's like fingernails on a chalkboard... http://arcanux.org/scarecrow.png Ha ha ha! Oh gosh that's funny! That's really funny! Do you photoshop your own material? Do you? Because that is so fresh. Ciaranm is like a scarecrow. You know, I've, I've never heard anyone make th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Jochen Maes
> On 8/2/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The alternative to elitism is mediocrity. Would you like Gentoo to be a >> mediocre distribution? > > Every time you post it's like fingernails on a chalkboard... > > http://arcanux.org/scarecrow.png but he has a valid point. this is not a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Jochen Maes
> On 8/2/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The alternative to elitism is mediocrity. Would you like Gentoo to be a >> mediocre distribution? > > Every time you post it's like fingernails on a chalkboard... > > http://arcanux.org/scarecrow.png > but this time he is right, am i gl > C

Re: [gentoo-dev] memory leak with gtk+-2.8.20-r1

2006-08-02 Thread Alexandre Buisse
On Wed, Aug 2, 2006 at 12:26:57 +0200, gwe wrote: > Hello, > I use gtk+ for my soft's graphic interface. [...] > Someone has the same problem or an solution to solve this leak of memory? Hi, it's best to file a bug at bugs.gentoo.org or post to the gentoo-user mailing list. This list is for de

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Roy Bamford
On 2006.08.02 10:51, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:41:10 +0200 "Denis Dupeyron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On 8/2/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > The alternative to elitism is mediocrity. Would you like Gentoo to | > be a mediocre distribution? | | The real wor

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Alex Tarkovsky
On 8/2/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The alternative to elitism is mediocrity. Would you like Gentoo to be a mediocre distribution? Every time you post it's like fingernails on a chalkboard... http://arcanux.org/scarecrow.png Cheers. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sunrise contemplations

2006-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 12:00:56 +0200 Thierry Carrez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | So you can create projects by creating a directory in | gentoo/xml/htdocs/proj/en, you don't have to announce it (but it's | polite to do so), and it may well conflict with other projects, | that's okay. | | You can't b

Re: [gentoo-dev] Sunrise contemplations

2006-08-02 Thread Thierry Carrez
foser wrote: > I checked back on the initial announcement, where it Sunrise was made > public as an official Gentoo project without any prior discussion. The > announcement actually stated 'This is an announcement - No flamewars > allowed'. I guess the creators were already aware of the feelings o

[gentoo-dev] memory leak with gtk+-2.8.20-r1

2006-08-02 Thread gwe
Hello, I use gtk+ for my soft's graphic interface. But valgrind make an log file containing approximately 22700 lines for an simple source code like : #include int main(int argc, char **argv) { gtk_init(&argc, &argv); GtkWidget *win= gtk_window_new(GTK_WINDOW_TOPLEVEL);

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 2 Aug 2006 11:41:10 +0200 "Denis Dupeyron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | On 8/2/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > The alternative to elitism is mediocrity. Would you like Gentoo to | > be a mediocre distribution? | | The real world isn't binary. So there's a whole range of

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Denis Dupeyron
On 8/2/06, Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The alternative to elitism is mediocrity. Would you like Gentoo to be a mediocre distribution? The real world isn't binary. So there's a whole range of alternatives between elitism and mediocrity. Denis. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing lis

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 11:21:38 +0200 Thierry Carrez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Or maybe he means the "Gentoo developers" are an elite group of | flawless people, blessed by the mighty ebuild quizz ? That elitism | would in the end kill us, and I thank the Sunrise project for opening | up Gentoo a l

Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

2006-08-02 Thread Thierry Carrez
Brian Harring wrote: > What the hell do you think the tree is? It's a bunch of arbitrary > packages maintained loosely by subgroups of people; you're stating > that sunrise is too loose yet gentoo-x86 is fundamentally no > different. > > Sunrise is pretty much the same damn thing. Or maybe h

[gentoo-dev] Final candidate list for Gentoo Council Election 2007

2006-08-02 Thread Thierry Carrez
Hello everyone, As far as I can tell, here is the final list of candidates for the Gentoo Council election for the 2006-2007 period : CHTEKK dostrow Flameeyes jaervosz jakub KingTaco kloeri Kugelfang `Kumba lu_zero nattfodd patrick pauldv Pylon Ramereth rl03 robbat2 spb UberLord vapier wolf31o2

Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007

2006-08-02 Thread Andres Loeh
> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 10:02:45 +0200 > From: Patrick Lauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Nominations open for the Gentoo Council 2007 [...] > So here's my nominations: [...] > kosmikus Thank you very much for the nomination. However, I am currently happy whenever time allo