Re: [gentoo-dev] QA Roles v2

2006-03-01 Thread Alin Nastac
[deleted] All seems fair enough, but please fix portage qa issues before this policy is applied (see bug http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123733). signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA Roles v2

2006-03-01 Thread Mark Loeser
Daniel Ostrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > The above also has to be done on a case by case basis, if hardmasking a > package would cause wide tree breakage itself then another choice has to > be made. I agree. We aren't here to make a situation even worse, and we acknowledge that we won't always g

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA Roles v2

2006-03-01 Thread Daniel Ostrow
Mark Loeser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Here is my updated version after some feedback from people: > > * The QA team's purpose is to provide cross-team assistance in keeping > the tree in a good state. This is done primarily by finding and pointing > out issues to maintainers and, where neces

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA Roles v2

2006-03-01 Thread Mark Loeser
Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Mark Loeser wrote: > > Here is my updated version after some feedback from people: > > * In the case of disagreement on policy among QA members, the majority > > of established QA members must agree with the action. > > What is an "Established QA member"?

Re: [gentoo-dev] QA Roles v2

2006-03-01 Thread Alec Warner
Mark Loeser wrote: > Here is my updated version after some feedback from people: > * In the case of disagreement on policy among QA members, the majority > of established QA members must agree with the action. What is an "Established QA member"? > > > I guess this won't be reviewed by the cou

[gentoo-dev] QA Roles v2

2006-03-01 Thread Mark Loeser
Here is my updated version after some feedback from people: * The QA team's purpose is to provide cross-team assistance in keeping the tree in a good state. This is done primarily by finding and pointing out issues to maintainers and, where necessary, taking direct action. * In case of emergen

Re: [gentoo-dev] how to turn off hardened gcc flags reliably?

2006-03-01 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 01 March 2006 10:35, Duncan Coutts wrote: > Does anyone have any other suggestions? i dont know exactly what you're trying to accomplish, but the way wine does it is by faking out the ssp symbols in their loader, they add (for gcc-4.1+): void *__stack_chk_guard = 0; void _stack_chk_

Re: [gentoo-dev] how to turn off hardened gcc flags reliably?

2006-03-01 Thread Duncan Coutts
On Thu, 2006-03-02 at 00:41 +, Roy Marples wrote: > On Wednesday 01 March 2006 17:41, solar wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 17:17 +, Duncan Coutts wrote: > > > I presume it's a gentoo patch to gcc-4 to add back in > > > -fno-stack-protector? > > > > For the 4.0.x it should be just a dummy

Re: [gentoo-dev] how to turn off hardened gcc flags reliably?

2006-03-01 Thread Roy Marples
On Wednesday 01 March 2006 17:41, solar wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 17:17 +, Duncan Coutts wrote: > > I presume it's a gentoo patch to gcc-4 to add back in > > -fno-stack-protector? > > For the 4.0.x it should be just a dummy call. > For 4.1 it is included. What does change and is really unc

Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for March

2006-03-01 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 01 March 2006 04:17, Mike Frysinger wrote: > If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even > vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole > Gentoo dev list to see. so, GLEP44 is up right ? any last questions ? /me looks at solar genone: can

Re: [gentoo-dev] glep 0042 (news) final draft

2006-03-01 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 01 March 2006 19:19, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > Unless there are any huge flaws found, I'd like this to be voted on by > the council -- looks like it'll have to wait until April's meeting to > fit in with the two weeks rule. may push council meeting back to 3rd tuesday if people wish -m

[gentoo-dev] glep 0042 (news) final draft

2006-03-01 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
Attached is the final draft. No substantial changes since last time, just wording cleanups and a few clarifications. You'll be able to see it here in an hour or three (check the dates!): http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/glep/glep-0042.html Or you can try to read the attached RST source, but no moani

Re: [gentoo-dev] how to turn off hardened gcc flags reliably?

2006-03-01 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 01 March 2006 12:17, Duncan Coutts wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 11:39 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Wednesday 01 March 2006 10:35, Duncan Coutts wrote: > > > gcc-3 supports both -nopie and -fno-stack-protector. So always using > > > these would be ok if it were not for gcc-4 wh

Re: [gentoo-dev] how to turn off hardened gcc flags reliably?

2006-03-01 Thread solar
On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 17:17 +, Duncan Coutts wrote: > On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 11:39 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > On Wednesday 01 March 2006 10:35, Duncan Coutts wrote: > > > gcc-3 supports both -nopie and -fno-stack-protector. So always using > > > these would be ok if it were not for gcc-4 w

Re: [gentoo-dev] how to turn off hardened gcc flags reliably?

2006-03-01 Thread Duncan Coutts
On Wed, 2006-03-01 at 11:39 -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Wednesday 01 March 2006 10:35, Duncan Coutts wrote: > > gcc-3 supports both -nopie and -fno-stack-protector. So always using > > these would be ok if it were not for gcc-4 which doesn't grok > > -fno-stack-protector. > > yes it does Oh

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-03-01 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 01 March 2006 02:37, Jakub Moc wrote: > 28.2.2006, 16:29:10, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > The whole devrel handbook is policy, except where otherwise noted. See > > Mike's reply. > > Then any significant change there requires a sane procedure. which does not change the fact that the dev

Re: [gentoo-dev] how to turn off hardened gcc flags reliably?

2006-03-01 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Wednesday 01 March 2006 10:35, Duncan Coutts wrote: > gcc-3 supports both -nopie and -fno-stack-protector. So always using > these would be ok if it were not for gcc-4 which doesn't grok > -fno-stack-protector. yes it does every gcc in portage by default supports -fno-stack-protector -mike --

[gentoo-dev] how to turn off hardened gcc flags reliably?

2006-03-01 Thread Duncan Coutts
All, I'm hoping for some suggestions particularly from the toolchain and hardened profile folk. We have a compiler that goes via C and uses gcc as it's backend. This compiler does some pretty unpleasant things with the assembler output of gcc. For one thing it doesn't use the C stack. It strips o

[gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for March

2006-03-01 Thread Mike Frysinger
This is your monthly friendly reminder ! Same bat time (typically the 2nd Thursday once a month), same bat channel (#gentoo-council @ irc.freenode.net) ! If you have something you'd wish for us to chat about, maybe even vote on, let us know ! Simply reply to this e-mail for the whole Gentoo dev

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Resignation

2006-03-01 Thread Stuart Herbert
On 3/1/06, Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Brian Harring wrote: > > Hola all. > > > > Been an interesting two some years, but have decided it's time for me > > to turn in my resignation and wander on to things outside of gentoo. > > > > If you need to track me down, I'll be checking [E

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Resignation

2006-03-01 Thread Duncan
Donnie Berkholz posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Wed, 01 Mar 2006 01:51:03 -0800: > Brian Harring wrote: >> >> Been an interesting two some years, but have decided it's time for me >> to turn in my resignation and wander on to things outside of gentoo. >> >> If you need to track

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-03-01 Thread Simon Stelling
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:30:24 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | OK, so kernel-2.eclass is abusing the slot as well, go scream on > | kernel devs. > > No. kernel-2 installs sources, not an actual package. Not exactly. The webapp stuff gets installed to /usr/sha

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-03-01 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Tuesday 28 February 2006 16:31, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:17:20 +0100 Paul de Vrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > | On Tuesday 28 February 2006 15:52, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | > Yes, it's an utterly trivial problem, but it is a QA violation. > | > Getting a complete l

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-03-01 Thread Jakub Moc
1.3.2006, 13:09:55, Paul de Vrieze wrote: > On Tuesday 28 February 2006 21:20, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> | > if [ "${IS_UPGRADE}" = "1" ] ; then >> | > einfo "Removing old version ${REMOVE_PKG}" >> | > >> | > emerge -C "${REMOVE_PKG}" >> | > fi > This code (or an equival

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-03-01 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Wednesday 01 March 2006 00:08, Mike Frysinger wrote: > > dont get me wrong, i wasnt implying that bugs shouldnt be filed ... i was > addressing the incorrect idea that it isnt a valid QA issue unless a user > experiences it and complains via bugzilla I agree with this. I would however also like

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-03-01 Thread Paul de Vrieze
On Tuesday 28 February 2006 21:20, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:09:02 +0100 Jakub Moc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | 28.2.2006, 18:38:10, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | > Sheesh, you'll probably claim that this isn't broken next too: > | > > | > if [ "${IS_UPGRADE}" = "1" ] ; the

Re: [gentoo-dev] SLOTed MySQL or not?

2006-03-01 Thread Francesco Riosa
Luca Longinotti wrote: > As the title says, what would you prefer for the future of MySQL in Gentoo? > Please take a moment to read > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-438557.html and vote (and > eventually comment on it). > Thanks! I've asked to Luca to have one week poll but the results [1]

Re[2]: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-03-01 Thread Jakub Moc
1.3.2006, 11:29:47, Danny van Dyk wrote: >> > | Where is a coding style problem related to quality of code in general >> > | and assurance in particular? > > It's more relevant than you might >> think. Screwing up layout like that > breaks various QA checking tools >> that assume that things are

Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role

2006-03-01 Thread Danny van Dyk
Am Mittwoch, 1. März 2006 08:21 schrieb Jakub Moc: > 28.2.2006, 16:31:26, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:17:20 +0100 Paul de Vrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > | On Tuesday 28 February 2006 15:52, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | >> Yes, it's an utterly trivial problem, but it is a QA viol

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Resignation

2006-03-01 Thread Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò
On Wednesday 01 March 2006 10:37, Brian Harring wrote: > Been an interesting two some years, but have decided it's time for me > to turn in my resignation and wander on to things outside of gentoo. I'm a bit sad hearing that, as it's always sad to hear that a good fellow dev goes away... but Donni

[gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] Resignation

2006-03-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
Brian Harring wrote: > Hola all. > > Been an interesting two some years, but have decided it's time for me > to turn in my resignation and wander on to things outside of gentoo. > > If you need to track me down, I'll be checking [EMAIL PROTECTED] . > > So... yeah, so long and thanks for all the