Jason Stubbs wrote:
> On Saturday 05 November 2005 03:53, Alec Joseph Warner wrote:
>
>>As far as including news in the tree goes, news is repository bound
>>information. Each repository may in fact have relevant news, and in
>>preparation for multiple repositories this is how the news should be
On Saturday 05 November 2005 03:53, Alec Joseph Warner wrote:
> As far as including news in the tree goes, news is repository bound
> information. Each repository may in fact have relevant news, and in
> preparation for multiple repositories this is how the news should be
> handled. It goes with
On Fri, 4 Nov 2005 20:44:13 -0500 Dan Meltzer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| >``Content-Type:``
| > Must be ``text/plain``. Mandatory.
|
| Why have this header at all then?
Forwards compatibility.
| > ``Posted:``
| > Date of posting, in ``dd-mmm-`` format (e.g. 14-Aug-2001).
| > UTC time
>``Content-Type:``
> Must be ``text/plain``. Mandatory.
Why have this header at all then?
> ``Posted:``
> Date of posting, in ``dd-mmm-`` format (e.g. 14-Aug-2001). UTC time in
> ``hh-mm-ss +`` format may also be included. This field is mandatory.
How will prescendse be handled if
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Xavier Neys schrieb:
| Danny van Dyk wrote:
|
|> Xavier Neys schrieb:
|> | Discarding XML for the reasons some are using is like recommending
|> | key=value flat .ini files because windows used it in the 80s.
|> | They have to be parsed as well, and,
On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 00:58:14 +
Ciaran McCreesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Feedback from people who have something useful to say would be very
> much welcomed, assuming of course that they've read the GLEP.
I think you might be missing a 'not' from the first Requirements
section. Unless you'r
Attached is a substantially reworked draft. I've restructured the whole
thing, fleshed it out in places, clarified some parts and incorporated
the useful stuff from previous discussions.
Note: this is now GLEP 42 as allocated by Grant. AFAIK ChrisWhite's GLEP
of the same number never made it to of
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:26:28 +0100 Xavier Neys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > Oh? Our GuideXML to HTML conversion is thousands of lines of code...
|
| Plain wrong, but you have always made it clear that you are not only
| biased against XML for anything, but also very muc
Danny van Dyk wrote:
Xavier Neys schrieb:
| Discarding XML for the reasons some are using is like recommending
| key=value flat .ini files because windows used it in the 80s.
| They have to be parsed as well, and, as opposed to XML, you have to
| check for unknown keys, double keys, missing ones,
On Friday 04 of November 2005 19:48 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Also, you'd need to prod the docs guys to remove some of the annoying
> chapter / section restrictions if you want to use guidexml as a
> generated format for news items. It's hard enough mapping GLEPs onto
> that...
https://bugs.gentoo.
On Friday 04 of November 2005 02:50 Lance Albertson wrote:
> After reading through the heated thread, I have yet to see your valid
> point of pushing xml for such a simple task. All I have seen is two 3rd
> grade kids arguing over a swing set. Please give some calm reasons for
> your opinion instea
On Friday 04 of November 2005 03:30 Luis F. Araujo wrote:
> The point is not about havig access to a web browser, but to have it
> installed in the respective box reading news.
Nope, I'd substitute "in the respective box" with "on the box that you're
doing administrative tasks from". I rarely use
For simple translations? No.
For translations that span the same bredth (old version checking is
probably going to be fairly needed if we used xml as a main version,
and all other pretifying stuff is necessary.
On 11/4/05, Jan Kundrát <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 04 of November 2005 19:
On Friday 04 of November 2005 19:39 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:26:28 +0100 Xavier Neys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | > Oh? Our GuideXML to HTML conversion is thousands of lines of code...
> |
> | Plain wrong, but you have always made it clear that you are not only
> | biased a
On Thursday 03 of November 2005 23:58 Brian Harring wrote:
> We've got a new lead russian translator, Alexey Chumakov (achumakov).
Glad to hear. docs-team alias will receive less [ru] bugs :-).
Welcome, Alexey.
-jkt
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Hi,
On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 07:41 +0100, Rene Zbinden wrote:
> I am writing an eubild for an webapplication (wiki) and there are a lot
> of themes available. I write an ebuild for these themes. Now my question
> is where do I install these themes so that webapp-config handles them
> correctly.
W
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
>On Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:42:51 + Tom Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>| There are currently 1066 open bugs assigned to
>| [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>|
>| Could everyone please take a moment to scan through them?
>
>Here's a more useful list. It's a summary of the maintainer-wan
Hi all.
Just a friendly reminder that bugday starts in a few hours and as usual
lasts most of the weekend. New this time is a new amd64 bugs category
but appart from that bugday should be it's old friendly self :)
As usual we gather around the campfire in #gentoo-bugs on
irc://irc.freenode.net an
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 13:12:17 -0600 Lance Albertson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| If however, we think its better to have a totally separate vhost like
| errata, we can be more flexible on the format we use to display. All
| I'm after from an infra POV is something simple for us to manage and
| scale
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:37:16 -0600 Lance Albertson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> | Could we possibly use a system thats a mix of how GLSA's and GLEP's
> | are handled currently?
>
> Sure, if that makes sense from an infra perspective.
Yes, I would prefer a standardish wa
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Xavier Neys schrieb:
| Discarding XML for the reasons some are using is like recommending
| key=value flat .ini files because windows used it in the 80s.
| They have to be parsed as well, and, as opposed to XML, you have to
| check for unknown keys, d
Jason Stubbs wrote:
On Friday 04 November 2005 23:26, Xavier Neys wrote:
Nathan L. Adams wrote:
One source: http://errata.gentoo.org/
Push that out to as many alternate sources as you like (RSS feeds,
summaries in emerge --news, forums post, etc.), but make it known that
the website is *th
On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:37:16 -0600 Lance Albertson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| Could we possibly use a system thats a mix of how GLSA's and GLEP's
| are handled currently?
Sure, if that makes sense from an infra perspective.
| Perhaps we could do the same for the news item where they actually
|
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Lisa Seelye wrote:
| We have quantum chemistry and molecular dynamics packages?
Sure we do. I've been maintaining most of them, and it's been great to
see more packages showing up recently (and more help, too).
Donnie
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On Fri, 04 Nov 2005 15:26:28 +0100 Xavier Neys <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| > Oh? Our GuideXML to HTML conversion is thousands of lines of code...
|
| Plain wrong, but you have always made it clear that you are not only
| biased against XML for anything, but also very much XML challenged.
Run a w
On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 12:08 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
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> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
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> > Yeah, see, this is a case where not understanding the structure of
> > Gentoo gives you the wrong impression. The GDP's policy applies to the
> > GDP.
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 12:08:23PM -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
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> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> >
> > Yeah, see, this is a case where not understanding the structure of
> > Gentoo gives you the wrong impression. The GDP's policy applies to the
> >
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Lance Albertson wrote:
> Nathan L. Adams wrote:
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>
It is listed in the MOTD on the installation media. I'm not making any
assumptions on this. It's really not our fault when the user base
doesn't read what is sitting in front of them,
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Grobian wrote:
> Danny van Dyk wrote:
>
>> IMHO a text based file has a big advantage in this proposed application
>> over fileformats which use XML: Any administrator can read it with his
>> editor of choice, right from the console.
>
>
> This is a
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
>
> Yeah, see, this is a case where not understanding the structure of
> Gentoo gives you the wrong impression. The GDP's policy applies to the
> GDP. That is not a global developer policy of any kind. It is a policy
> by a
Nathan L. Adams wrote:
>>>It is listed in the MOTD on the installation media. I'm not making any
>>>assumptions on this. It's really not our fault when the user base
>>>doesn't read what is sitting in front of them, plainly on the screen.
>>>
>>>Thank you for proving my point.
>>>
>
>
> And wh
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 10:58 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
>
>>I've done several Gentoo installs and never knew the plain text versions
>>existed. I think you might want to check the assumption that just
>>because they exists
Danny van Dyk wrote:
IMHO a text based file has a big advantage in this proposed application
over fileformats which use XML: Any administrator can read it with his
editor of choice, right from the console.
This is an important aspect for sure, but why can't such file be
generated from a marked
On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 11:05 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
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> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> > On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 20:36 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> >
> >>So you installed your server without reading *any* documenation? (Don't
> >>lie). And you e
On Friday 04 November 2005 23:26, Xavier Neys wrote:
> Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> > One source: http://errata.gentoo.org/
> >
> > Push that out to as many alternate sources as you like (RSS feeds,
> > summaries in emerge --news, forums post, etc.), but make it known that
> > the website is *the* sour
On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 10:58 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> I've done several Gentoo installs and never knew the plain text versions
> existed. I think you might want to check the assumption that just
> because they exists they are widely known (and if they aren't known to
> exist, they don't do sq
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Nathan L. Adams schrieb:
| 6. Ciaran is completely biased against XML (or anything that isn't
| stored as a simple flat file) ;)
On the other hand one could say that there are Gentoo-Devs which are
biased against anything that can work without using X
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Xavier Neys wrote:
> Thierry Carrez wrote:
>
>> Paul de Vrieze wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Oh god help. This also points to another reason why this is not such
>>> a good idea. Writing guideXML is a lot more work than writing an
>>> e-mail format file (ciaran's
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 20:36 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
>
>>So you installed your server without reading *any* documenation? (Don't
>>lie). And you expect that the average user installs a Gentoo server
>>without at least re
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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 20:24 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
>
>>*ALL* of the official docs are GuideXML; Gentoo *expects* users to have
>>a web browser by default. Otherwise a vast majority of users would never
>>get Gentoo ins
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Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> On Friday 04 November 2005 14:38, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
>
>>Paul de Vrieze wrote:
>>
>>>What is worse is that some
>>>users might not update for a prolongued time (6 months). At that time
>>>they will not find the information
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> News Item Source
>
>
> News items are to be made available via the Portage tree. This removes any
> need for polling of a remote source.
>
> A new directory, ``news/``, will be created in the main tree. Commit access
> to this directory will be handled
Nathan L. Adams wrote:
One source: http://errata.gentoo.org/
Push that out to as many alternate sources as you like (RSS feeds,
summaries in emerge --news, forums post, etc.), but make it known that
the website is *the* source (your alternate sources should point back to
it).
I beg to differ.
Thierry Carrez wrote:
Paul de Vrieze wrote:
Oh god help. This also points to another reason why this is not such a
good idea. Writing guideXML is a lot more work than writing an e-mail
format file (ciaran's proposed format for those who didn't recognize it).
Also having double files contain
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 19:33:37 +0100 Jan Kundrát <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| "Once this tool is implemented and well tested it can be integrated
| into portage."
can ! will. It might, but don't count on it.
| GLSA already contains stuff for marking items as valid only for g
Duncan wrote:
Number of users subscribed to gentoo-announce: 7,988
Total number of GETs on our home page and news feed in a *single day*: 75,302
from 19,240 different IPs (on Sunday 2005-10-30).
I read announce very regularly (checking it several times a day, most
days), but wouldn't show up i
On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 10:06 +0100, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> I expect the average user to make a nice printout of the handbook. The
> print version of the handbook was provided mainly on user request you
> know. It also works a lot easier than either flipping screens to
> links/lynx all the time o
On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 10:02 +0100, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> No, gentoo expects people to have access to a webbrowser. But not all the
> time. It is perfectly reasonable to expect people to make a nice printout
> of the handbook at the office, and then take it at home to install a nice
> new gento
Thierry Carrez wrote:
Paul de Vrieze wrote:
Oh god help. This also points to another reason why this is not such a
good idea. Writing guideXML is a lot more work than writing an e-mail
format file (ciaran's proposed format for those who didn't recognize it).
Also having double files contain
On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 08:34:21AM -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> Almost all of them publish 'errata'. That is why I suggest a single
> place for all technical info such as the recent apache upgrade:
>
> http://errata.gentoo.org/
>
> i.e. Upgrade/migration stuff would go there as opposed to 'fre
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 20:43 -0500, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
> How about getting some facts straight before running your mouth? Gentoo
> most certainly does not expect users to have a web browser to install.
> The last time I actually installed on x86 (which was some time ago
> admittedly), ther
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 20:36 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> So you installed your server without reading *any* documenation? (Don't
> lie). And you expect that the average user installs a Gentoo server
> without at least referencing the documentation? Pa-leaze.
less /mnt/cdrom/docs/handbook/txt/in
On Friday 04 November 2005 14:38, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > What is worse is that some
> > users might not update for a prolongued time (6 months). At that time
> > they will not find the information in the erata list anymore. But
> > they will get the RELEVANT news deliver
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 19:33 -0600, Brian Harring wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 03, 2005 at 08:24:27PM -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> > I'm also commenting on the part that *wrongly* states "It is not
> > reasonable to expect all users to have an MTA, *web browser*, email
> > client, cron daemon or text pro
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 20:24 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> *ALL* of the official docs are GuideXML; Gentoo *expects* users to have
> a web browser by default. Otherwise a vast majority of users would never
> get Gentoo installed in the first place. The "lightweight" requirement
> appears to just b
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Thierry Carrez wrote:
> Paul de Vrieze wrote:
>
>>Oh god help. This also points to another reason why this is not such a
>>good idea. Writing guideXML is a lot more work than writing an e-mail
>>format file (ciaran's proposed format for those who did
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Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> What is worse is that some
> users might not update for a prolongued time (6 months). At that time
> they will not find the information in the erata list anymore. But they
> will get the RELEVANT news delivered by emerge/enew
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Dan Meltzer wrote:
> erm, and how exactly do you propose that the user who
> doesn't-read-the-site-because-it-has-no-useful-information-currently
> will learn about errata.g.o?
If all of the other replicated sources (forums, mailing lists, GWN, etc)
a
Also if Luca already told of drip going away, I tried to safe it removing just
the version hardly depending on divx4linux. Unfortunately drip has still
problems, deps on avifile and GNOME 1.x, and it seems to be unmaintained.
It's masked now and pending removal for next week. If you want DVD rip
erm, and how exactly do you propose that the user who
doesn't-read-the-site-because-it-has-no-useful-information-currently
will learn about errata.g.o?
On 11/3/05, Nathan L. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Brian Harring wrote:
> > Not necessar
Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> Oh god help. This also points to another reason why this is not such a
> good idea. Writing guideXML is a lot more work than writing an e-mail
> format file (ciaran's proposed format for those who didn't recognize it).
>
> Also having double files containing the same inf
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 19:29 -0500, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
>
> You're just missing the fact that a flat file (or whatever it is you're
> clinging to; for the purpose of this rant, I shall refer to your simple
> data format as "flat file") has trade-offs, just like XML's trade off is
> parsing over
On Friday 04 November 2005 09:32, John Myers wrote:
> [[ACK! I sent this out from the wrong address before. Hope you don't
> get it twice!]]
>
> On Thursday 03 November 2005 21:44, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> > No, I happen to understand the that point. Emerge outputting a short
> > summary is great.
On Friday 04 November 2005 02:52, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> Let me say it one more time. I'm not saying you have to have a web
> browser installed on the system that you are updating or installing.
> I'm saying that the GuideXML docs are the standard, official source of
> documentation and the same
On Friday 04 November 2005 02:43, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> Brian Harring wrote:
> > Not necessarily the website imo, some central store where it's pushed
> > out to all of the locations though (which I suspect you're getting
> > at).
>
> I forgot to clarify one point. I'm saying that http://errata.
On Friday 04 November 2005 02:36, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> >
> > I don't have a web browser installed on my server. Do you?
>
> So you installed your server without reading *any* documenation? (Don't
> lie). And you expect that the average user installs a Gentoo server
> wi
On Friday 04 November 2005 02:24, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> I have read it, and I find it lacking; thus the comments. Or are you
> claiming that the idea of having a central website like errata.g.o with
> GuideXML-ized migrations guides is in your GLEP? Its not. I'm proposing
> adding that as the de
[[ACK! I sent this out from the wrong address before. Hope you don't get it
twice!]]
On Thursday 03 November 2005 21:44, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> No, I happen to understand the that point. Emerge outputting a short
> summary is great. But the GLEP should cover the "hey mr. end user, the
> central
On Friday 04 November 2005 03:10, Nathan L. Adams wrote:
> Stuart Herbert wrote:
> > On Tue, 2005-11-01 at 14:51 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> >>Did you specifically ask them if it is because we have different
> >> news in different locations? Somehow I think you're obscuring
> >> some facts to
On Fri, Nov 04, 2005 at 12:42:47AM +, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Read the list of requirements in the GLEP. The plain text solution
> meets all of them. XML fails on several.
>
> And, incidentally, I came up with the requirements list *before*
> dismissing XML.
Sorry, but this is too funny.
You
On Thu, 2005-11-03 at 16:49 -0600, Brian Harring wrote:
> Hola all-
>
> Got us a new dev to harass, mentored by ribosome, and helping out in
> the scientific herd- quantum chemistry, and molecular dynamics
> packages, subjects that have have the potential to cause
> cereberal hemorrhaging :)
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