Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X plans

2005-08-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 As a further note on this: We will be dropping all patches that are not upstream and are not obviously Gentoo-specific configuration changes. If you want your patch back in, you will _need_ to file it upstream and have it committed before we will re

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Modular X plans

2005-08-02 Thread Kevin F. Quinn
On 2/8/2005 16:30:45, Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.- ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > > > I'm still awaiting any solid arguments against x11-proto, and they had > > best be expedited (read below for why). > > Well, I kind of mentioned it on irc, but I'll th

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X plans

2005-08-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jeremy Maitin-Shepard wrote: | If I understand correctly, all of the packages in x11-proto will only | install header files. Are these header files ever useful on their own | though? Would it make more sense to include the header files | in various

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X plans

2005-08-02 Thread Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
If I understand correctly, all of the packages in x11-proto will only install header files. Are these header files ever useful on their own though? Would it make more sense to include the header files in various library packages? -- Jeremy Maitin-Shepard -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: logrotate

2005-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 10:52:44 -0700 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | | Files in /etc are expensive in terms of sysadmin time. The only | | things in /etc should be things that are both necessary and likely | | to be modified by a sysadmin. | | So we should stop

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: logrotate

2005-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 13:48:17 -0400 Alec Joseph Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > Files in /etc are expensive in terms of sysadmin time. The only | > things in /etc should be things that are both necessary and likely | > to be modified by a sysadmin. | > | And who makes that call, shouldn't the

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: logrotate

2005-08-02 Thread Alin Nastac
Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Tom Martin wrote: > | Hi list, > | > | Bug 97447 wants a logrotate USE flag, which is used by about five > | packages locally. Unless there are any objections, I'll globalify it > | later today. > > I think this flag is a bad idea. Why should I have to recompile a > packag

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: logrotate

2005-08-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | Files in /etc are expensive in terms of sysadmin time. The only things | in /etc should be things that are both necessary and likely to be | modified by a sysadmin. So we should stop installing example files, too? -BEGIN

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: logrotate

2005-08-02 Thread Alec Joseph Warner
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:48:25 -0700 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Tom Martin wrote: | | Hi list, | | | | Bug 97447 wants a logrotate USE flag, which is used by about five | | packages locally. Unless there are any objections, I'll globalify it | | later today.

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: logrotate

2005-08-02 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Tue, 02 Aug 2005 09:48:25 -0700 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Tom Martin wrote: | | Hi list, | | | | Bug 97447 wants a logrotate USE flag, which is used by about five | | packages locally. Unless there are any objections, I'll globalify it | | later today. | | I think this flag i

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: logrotate

2005-08-02 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 18:04 +0100, Tom Martin wrote: > On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 08:17:08AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If you make the flag global, can you make sure that all of the packages > > that use this flag exhibit the same behavior when using it. If they all >

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: logrotate

2005-08-02 Thread Tom Martin
On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 08:17:08AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you make the flag global, can you make sure that all of the packages > that use this flag exhibit the same behavior when using it. If they all > do their own thing, then I would suggest leaving it local. >

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X plans

2005-08-02 Thread Maurice van der Pot
On Mon, Aug 01, 2005 at 02:23:06PM -0700, Donnie Berkholz wrote: > Your suggestion of adding a few new virtuals is a good idea, but I think > the metabuilds for libraries, drivers, etc. can substitute for it. It's > not clear to me that there are many common configurations that could be > dealt wit

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: logrotate

2005-08-02 Thread Alec Warner
Donnie Berkholz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom Martin wrote: | Hi list, | | Bug 97447 wants a logrotate USE flag, which is used by about five | packages locally. Unless there are any objections, I'll globalify it | later today. I think this flag is a bad idea. Why sho

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: logrotate

2005-08-02 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Tom Martin wrote: | Hi list, | | Bug 97447 wants a logrotate USE flag, which is used by about five | packages locally. Unless there are any objections, I'll globalify it | later today. I think this flag is a bad idea. Why should I have to recompile a

Re: [gentoo-dev] The dreaded debug use flag/eclass

2005-08-02 Thread Alec Warner
Mike Frysinger wrote: On Monday 01 August 2005 09:22 pm, Alec Warner wrote: Many people do not like the fact that a USE flag changes CFLAGS. Although there are other USE flags that do this too ( pic comes to mind in a couple ebuilds, checkpassword fex ) they are a minority compared to debug.

Re: [gentoo-dev] The dreaded debug use flag/eclass

2005-08-02 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 01 August 2005 10:43 pm, Danny van Dyk wrote: > Mike Frysinger schrieb: > |>your USE=pic example is wrong, it does not change CFLAGS (and if your > |>package does, it is broken) > > chillispot at least is not wrong. If USE="pic" is set, it compiles _only > with_ -fPIC, ommiting to compile

[gentoo-dev] Re: Modular X plans

2005-08-02 Thread Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-
On Mon, 1 Aug 2005, Donnie Berkholz wrote: I'm still awaiting any solid arguments against x11-proto, and they had best be expedited (read below for why). Well, I kind of mentioned it on irc, but I'll throw it out here too. I think the name "proto" is pretty vague and would prefer to see header

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: logrotate

2005-08-02 Thread tomk
On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 10:22:01AM +0100, Tom Martin wrote: > Hi list, > > Bug 97447 wants a logrotate USE flag, which is used by about five > packages locally. Unless there are any objections, I'll globalify it > later today. > You may want to read over this thread from April when the logrotate

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: logrotate

2005-08-02 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Tue, 2005-08-02 at 10:22 +0100, Tom Martin wrote: > Hi list, > > Bug 97447 wants a logrotate USE flag, which is used by about five > packages locally. Unless there are any objections, I'll globalify it > later today. If you make the flag global, can you make sure that all of the packages that

Re: [gentoo-dev] The dreaded debug use flag/eclass

2005-08-02 Thread Danny van Dyk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Frysinger schrieb: | On Monday 01 August 2005 10:43 pm, Danny van Dyk wrote: | |>chillispot at least is not wrong. If USE="pic" is set, it compiles _only |>with_ -fPIC, ommiting to compile files twice and effectivly telling |>libtool not to produ

Re: [gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: logrotate

2005-08-02 Thread Anthony Gorecki
On Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:22 am, Tom Martin wrote: > Bug 97447 wants a logrotate USE flag, which is used by about five > packages locally. Unless there are any objections, I'll globalify it > later today. I'd welcome this, almost as much as a global do_not_install_cron_tasks flag. -- Anthon

[gentoo-dev] New global USE flag: logrotate

2005-08-02 Thread Tom Martin
Hi list, Bug 97447 wants a logrotate USE flag, which is used by about five packages locally. Unless there are any objections, I'll globalify it later today. Tom -- Tom Martin, http://dev.gentoo.org/~slarti AMD64, net-mail, shell-tools, vim, recruiters Gentoo Linux pgpBtgHxX9V5k.pgp Descriptio

Re: [gentoo-dev] Dynamic Modularization

2005-08-02 Thread Sven Vermeulen
On Tue, Aug 02, 2005 at 12:45:05AM -0600, Keziah W wrote: > I got this idea and I'm not sure if it would be feasible, but if it is, > it could lead to many Cool Things: > Is there any reason not to have dynamic libraries for most of the > changes made by USE flags, that are used only if present, an

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X plans

2005-08-02 Thread Ian Leitch
Donnie Berkholz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Donnie Berkholz wrote: | The new categories are x11-apps, x11-proto and x11-drivers. Of these, | the name for x11-proto (the protocol headers) is debatable. The upstream | module they're all in is called "proto," and their pkg-