[gentoo-dev] Dynamic Modularization

2005-08-01 Thread Keziah W
Hi all, I got this idea and I'm not sure if it would be feasible, but if it is, it could lead to many Cool Things: Is there any reason not to have dynamic libraries for most of the changes made by USE flags, that are used only if present, and then the USE flags would just specify whether to compile

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X plans

2005-08-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Donnie Berkholz wrote: | The new categories are x11-apps, x11-proto and x11-drivers. Of these, | the name for x11-proto (the protocol headers) is debatable. The upstream | module they're all in is called "proto," and their pkg-config (*.pc) | files ar

Re: [gentoo-dev] The dreaded debug use flag/eclass

2005-08-01 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 01 August 2005 10:43 pm, Danny van Dyk wrote: > chillispot at least is not wrong. If USE="pic" is set, it compiles _only > with_ -fPIC, ommiting to compile files twice and effectivly telling > libtool not to produce a normal static library. not really chillispot doesnt build/install any

Re: [gentoo-dev] The dreaded debug use flag/eclass

2005-08-01 Thread Danny van Dyk
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mike Frysinger schrieb: |>your USE=pic example is wrong, it does not change CFLAGS (and if your |>package does, it is broken) | | | and i just reviewed all packages which declare IUSE=pic and they were pretty | much all wrong: [...] | chillispot chill

[gentoo-dev] Added Gwydion-Dylan to the tree.

2005-08-01 Thread Luis F. Araujo
Hello. After some weeks of testing, and solving several issues to get the gwydion-dylan compiler working, ive finally committed it to the tree (package masked of course). Briefly explained, the d2c compiler needs to be bootstrapped, and they use Mindy (a interpreter) to do it, and need to be run

Re: [gentoo-dev] The dreaded debug use flag/eclass

2005-08-01 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 01 August 2005 10:07 pm, Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Monday 01 August 2005 09:22 pm, Alec Warner wrote: > > Many people do not like the fact that a USE flag changes CFLAGS. > > Although there are other USE flags that do this too ( pic comes to mind > > in a couple ebuilds, checkpassword fe

Re: [gentoo-dev] The dreaded debug use flag/eclass

2005-08-01 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 01 August 2005 09:22 pm, Alec Warner wrote: > Many people do not like the fact that a USE flag changes CFLAGS. > Although there are other USE flags that do this too ( pic comes to mind > in a couple ebuilds, checkpassword fex ) they are a minority compared to > debug. your USE=pic exampl

[gentoo-dev] The dreaded debug use flag/eclass

2005-08-01 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Oh yeah, it's back, for the 6th time :) I've provided links to all the other discussions I could find on theaimsgroup in case you want to take a trip down memory lane. Hopefully I'll summarize the previous discussion well enough that you don't have t

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X plans

2005-08-01 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 19:23:37 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > | > Hrm. Is this going to be sanely doable by your average dev? How > | > long a dep string would we be having in typical cases? How about in > |

Re: [gentoo-dev] devfs is dead, let's move on

2005-08-01 Thread Greg KH
On Mon, Aug 01, 2005 at 07:40:03PM -0400, Kumba wrote: > Greg KH wrote: > > > >Oops, yes, the 064 release fixed that. Sorry for not updateing the > >bugzilla entry. That is now taken care of. > > Just out of curiosity, know what happened to cause that? Unaligned data accesses. Was fixed by: ht

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X plans

2005-08-01 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 19:23:37 -0400 Alec Warner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | > Hrm. Is this going to be sanely doable by your average dev? How | > long a dep string would we be having in typical cases? How about in | > bad cases? | > | The more formal the depstring, the quicker the packages b

Re: [gentoo-dev] devfs is dead, let's move on

2005-08-01 Thread Kumba
Greg KH wrote: Oops, yes, the 064 release fixed that. Sorry for not updateing the bugzilla entry. That is now taken care of. Just out of curiosity, know what happened to cause that? --Kumba -- Gentoo/MIPS Team Lead Gentoo Foundation Board of Trustees "Such is oft the course of deeds that

Re: [gentoo-dev] devfs is dead, let's move on

2005-08-01 Thread Greg KH
On Mon, Aug 01, 2005 at 07:23:32PM -0400, Kumba wrote: > Greg KH wrote: > >Ok, 064-r1 version of udev does this for tty and console devices. The > >old devfs names are now gone. Because of this, and some other config > >file tweaks, starting udev now only takes .5 seconds on my old, slow > >lapto

Re: [gentoo-dev] devfs is dead, let's move on

2005-08-01 Thread Kumba
Greg KH wrote: Ok, 064-r1 version of udev does this for tty and console devices. The old devfs names are now gone. Because of this, and some other config file tweaks, starting udev now only takes .5 seconds on my old, slow laptop, instead of 5 seconds. Hopefully others will also see such an in

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X plans

2005-08-01 Thread Alec Warner
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:54:04 -0700 Donnie Berkholz > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > | | Well... What I was mainly thinking (and assuming we don't have the > | | new virtuals system by whenever this beco

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X plans

2005-08-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:54:04 -0700 Donnie Berkholz | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | | But see, that's the thing; no packages should just generally say "Give | | me the X libraries" other than temporari

Re: [gentoo-dev] devfs is dead, let's move on

2005-08-01 Thread Greg KH
On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 10:12:52AM -0700, Greg KH wrote: > On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 10:18:12AM -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 15:46 -0700, Greg KH wrote: > > > To start with, the 061 version of udev offers a big memory savings if > > > you use the "default" kernel name of a

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X plans

2005-08-01 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:54:04 -0700 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | | Well... What I was mainly thinking (and assuming we don't have the | | new virtuals system by whenever this becomes relevant) is that a | | metapackage could represent, say, "the core x11 libr

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X plans

2005-08-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | Well... What I was mainly thinking (and assuming we don't have the new | virtuals system by whenever this becomes relevant) is that a metapackage | could represent, say, "the core x11 libraries as provided by xorg". This | is

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X plans

2005-08-01 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 14:23:06 -0700 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Your suggestion of adding a few new virtuals is a good idea, but I | think the metabuilds for libraries, drivers, etc. can substitute for | it. It's not clear to me that there are many common configurations | that could

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X plans

2005-08-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: | On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:54:27 -0700 Donnie Berkholz | <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | | Until such time as that becomes possible for everyone to do, the | | x11-libs metabuild will PROVIDE virtual/x11. But realize that not | | eve

Re: [gentoo-dev] Modular X plans

2005-08-01 Thread Ciaran McCreesh
On Mon, 01 Aug 2005 13:54:27 -0700 Donnie Berkholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: | Until such time as that becomes possible for everyone to do, the | x11-libs metabuild will PROVIDE virtual/x11. But realize that not | everybody will have or want all the X libraries installed, when they | only need a f

[gentoo-dev] Modular X plans

2005-08-01 Thread Donnie Berkholz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 (This is an expanded, updated version of a recent blog post, so some of you may have already seen parts of it.) Background: Upstream is splitting up the monolithic X.Org X11 release into a huge number of modular releases, the combination of which wil

Re: [gentoo-dev] ekeyword and ordering

2005-08-01 Thread Aron Griffis
Catching up on your inbox, foser? ;-) foser wrote:[Mon Aug 01 2005, 01:06:10PM EDT] > On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 14:46 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote: > > foser wrote:[Sat Jun 11 2005, 04:15:22AM EDT] > > > Arch keywords are concepts and as such may not primarily be dealt as > > > a an alphabeti

Re: [gentoo-dev] ekeyword and ordering

2005-08-01 Thread foser
On Sat, 2005-06-11 at 14:46 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote: > foser wrote: [Sat Jun 11 2005, 04:15:22AM EDT] > > Arch keywords are concepts and as such may not primarily be dealt as > > a an alphabetical list but as words in a sentence, there is no abc > > order in sentences. > > Foser, no offense int

Re: [gentoo-dev] Valid Profiles

2005-08-01 Thread Kito
On Jul 31, 2005, at 9:11 AM, Chris Gianelloni wrote: I especially need to know which profiles are valid for projects like embedded, hardened, and *bsd. Here is the state of macos profiles: Valid: default-darwin/ - macos/10.3 - macos/10.4 - macos/progressive Deprecated: default-macos/*

Re: [gentoo-dev] Valid Profiles

2005-08-01 Thread Benedikt Boehm
On Monday 01 August 2005 16:46, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Sun, 2005-07-31 at 20:21 +0200, Benedikt Boehm wrote: > > On Sunday 31 July 2005 16:11, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > > ka0ttic reminded me about the idea of adding all of the valid > > > profiles to profiles.desc now that portage 2.0.51.22

Re: [gentoo-dev] Valid Profiles

2005-08-01 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sun, 2005-07-31 at 20:21 +0200, Benedikt Boehm wrote: > On Sunday 31 July 2005 16:11, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > > ka0ttic reminded me about the idea of adding all of the valid > > profiles to profiles.desc now that portage 2.0.51.22 has gone > > stable. Well, I need you guys to give me a list o

Re: [gentoo-dev] Valid Profiles

2005-08-01 Thread Mike Frysinger
On Monday 01 August 2005 10:15 am, Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Sun, 2005-07-31 at 10:59 -0400, Ned Ludd wrote: > > - x86/linux24 (deprecated) > > - x86/linux26 (deprecated) > > What should we do with deprecated profiles? Should we still be checking > against them? > > I would think we would, but

Re: [gentoo-dev] Valid Profiles

2005-08-01 Thread Chris Gianelloni
On Sun, 2005-07-31 at 10:59 -0400, Ned Ludd wrote: > - x86/linux24 (deprecated) > - x86/linux26 (deprecated) What should we do with deprecated profiles? Should we still be checking against them? I would think we would, but what do the rest of you think? -- Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering

Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Hold on portage feature requests

2005-08-01 Thread Jason Stubbs
On Monday 01 August 2005 02:07, R Hill wrote: > Alec Joseph Warner wrote: > > Donnie Berkholz wrote: > >> > >> Are you having a tough time filtering out enhancements in your queries > >> or something? I don't understand how feature requests could possibly > >> interfere with anything besides other