Nathan L. Adams wrote: [Wed Jun 08 2005, 05:44:58PM EDT]
> Using your list there would be two types of enterprise 'requirements':
> process requirements and support requirements.
Thanks for pointing that out. I'm not good at seeing distinctions
like that.
> What developers seem to forget, is th
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 21:45 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
> > I was up late on a friday evening hacking up a nifty addition to my
> > system and in my excitement and exuberance jumped on IRC to the dev
> > channel to get pointers to the best "official" references to ebuild
> > crafting and submis
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 22:47 -0400, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Wednesday 01 June 2005 09:59 pm, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > On Wednesday 25 May 2005 06:20 pm, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > > yes, it's finally that time ... after months of hearing us say 'we want
> > > to get new baselayout stable asap', w
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I'd like to remove the latest xorg revision from package.mask by the end
of the week, so I'd appreciate testing on any ebuild regressions or
relatively simple fixups from anyone who has a chance to try it out.
If you've got a problem, file a bug. Don'
On Wednesday 01 June 2005 09:59 pm, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Wednesday 25 May 2005 06:20 pm, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > yes, it's finally that time ... after months of hearing us say 'we want
> > to get new baselayout stable asap', we're serious
>
> last chance !
and it's done
-mike
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> I was up late on a friday evening hacking up a nifty addition to my
> system and in my excitement and exuberance jumped on IRC to the dev
> channel to get pointers to the best "official" references to ebuild
> crafting and submission.
>
> As it was absolutely silent, I waited a few minutes and r
Joshua Baergen wrote:
>>2) There are gentoo.org references to #gentoo-dev, but the process of
>>interfacing, mentoring, and recruiting are self-referential beginning
>>with a bootstrap of being on the good side of an existing developer. So
>>for those of us who do not establish favorable dialogu
On Wednesday 08 June 2005 07:23 pm, Jim Northrup wrote:
> so if it makes a difference, I approached a dev on #gentoo-dev, and met
> with condescending and belittling treatment when i asked for voice.
generally when someone asks for voice and i dont recognize them i ask why they
want it voice ...
> 2) There are gentoo.org references to #gentoo-dev, but the process of
> interfacing, mentoring, and recruiting are self-referential beginning
> with a bootstrap of being on the good side of an existing developer. So
> for those of us who do not establish favorable dialogues by filing a
> bug, t
Jim Northrup wrote:
> 1) There is nowhere specified on gentoo.org or gentoo maintained sites
> I've rtfm'd specifying any hint of conduct guidelines for being a
> developer interfacing with the outside world, representing the
> organization. Common social ettiquette does not always reside with
>
Jim Northrup wrote:
might I suggest not kicking #gentoo-dev visitors who ask for voice to
speak to the devs without a 'rtfm & go get a gentoo job' smokescreen ?
That's not a metastructure change, so it's OT for this thread. However,
to help you understand the purpose of voicing someone in #g
Sorry you had a bad experience. Please do not let the words and actions of
one developer reflect on the hundreds of others.
On Wednesday 08 June 2005 04:23 pm, Jim Northrup wrote:
> 1) There is nowhere specified on gentoo.org or gentoo maintained sites
> I've rtfm'd specifying any hint of con
to address Luca, Erin, and Patrick as well, and cease the thread hijack
implications
Rob Holland wrote:
>On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 08:59:34AM -0700, Jim Northrup wrote:
>
>
>>might I suggest not kicking #gentoo-dev visitors who ask for voice to
>>speak to the devs without a 'rtfm & go get a gento
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Aron Griffis wrote:
> In my humble opinion, Gentoo is missing too many points to be an
> enterprise Linux. We commit to a live tree. We don't have true QA,
> testing or tinderbox. We don't have paid staff, alpha/beta/rc cycles.
> We don't really hav
On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 00:06:41 +0200
Andrej Kacian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:39:41 +0200
> Andrej Kacian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > As this package doesn't seem to be actively maintained upstream (and people
> > on amavis-user mailinglist suggest everyone upgrading to
Tom Martin wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Chris has just become a developer, in order to help with the Gentoo
> Installer project. He's living in Tampa, Florida, where he's taking a
> MIS Major at the University of South Florida. He enjoys reading (Jordan,
> Asimov, Eddings, Goodkind), as well as more activ
Jan Brinkmann wrote:
> It's actually installed on toucan. You have to ssh into
> dev.gentoo.org to be able to vote.
Ah, makes sense. Sorry for bothering,
Sebastian
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On Wednesday 08 June 2005 17:12, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
> Daniel Drake wrote:
> > We are using dev.gentoo.org to collect ballots this year. The
> > procedure is as follows:
> >
> > $ votify --new metastructure2005
>
> Where do I get votify from?
>
>wopr-mobile ~ # votify
>zsh: comm
On Wednesday 08 June 2005 16:39, Joseph Jezak wrote:
> > Agreed, the PPC team is very good at arbitrarily marking things stable
> > whenever they feel like it, and often times before the maintainer does.
>
> This is not usually our policy. However, because we moved GCC-3.4 to
> stable before many
Log into dev and type it :P
On Wednesday 08 June 2005 12:12 pm, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
> Daniel Drake wrote:
> > We are using dev.gentoo.org to collect ballots this year. The
> > procedure is as follows:
> >
> > $ votify --new metastructure2005
>
> Where do I get votify from?
>
>wopr-
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 06:12:59PM +0200, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
> Where do I get votify from?
>
>wopr-mobile ~ # votify
>zsh: command not found: votify
>wopr-mobile ~ # emerge -s votify
>Searching...
>[ Results for search key : votify ]
>[ Applications found : 0 ]
It'
Daniel Drake wrote:
> We are using dev.gentoo.org to collect ballots this year. The
> procedure is as follows:
>
> $ votify --new metastructure2005
Where do I get votify from?
wopr-mobile ~ # votify
zsh: command not found: votify
wopr-mobile ~ # emerge -s votify
Searching...
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 08:59 -0700, Jim Northrup wrote:
> might I suggest not kicking #gentoo-dev visitors who ask for voice to
> speak to the devs without a 'rtfm & go get a gentoo job' smokescreen ?
I hope this was only a misunderstanding / miscommunication.
#g-dev is already quite crowded and not
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On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Joseph Jezak wrote:
Agreed, the PPC team is very good at arbitrarily marking things stable
whenever they feel like it, and often times before the maintainer does.
This is not usually our policy. However, because we moved GCC-3
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 18:12 +0200, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
> Daniel Drake wrote:
> > We are using dev.gentoo.org to collect ballots this year. The
> > procedure is as follows:
> >
> > $ votify --new metastructure2005
>
> Where do I get votify from?
ssh dev.gentoo.org
:-)
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Jim Northrup wrote: [Wed Jun 08 2005, 11:59:34AM EDT]
> might I suggest not kicking #gentoo-dev visitors who ask for voice to
> speak to the devs without a 'rtfm & go get a gentoo job' smokescreen ?
Making vague statements like this doesn't help anything. If you have
a complaint, make it spec
Jim Northrup wrote:
> might I suggest not kicking #gentoo-dev visitors who ask for voice to
> speak to the devs without a 'rtfm & go get a gentoo job' smokescreen ?
Sorry? Usually if the request for voice is polite enough won't be a
problem. Voiced/avoiced people usually are known by developers for
On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 18:12:59 +0200
Sebastian Bergmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Where do I get votify from?
>
>wopr-mobile ~ # votify
>zsh: command not found: votify
>wopr-mobile ~ # emerge -s votify
>Searching...
>[ Results for search key : votify ]
>[ Applications fo
On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 08:59:34AM -0700, Jim Northrup wrote:
> might I suggest not kicking #gentoo-dev visitors who ask for voice to
> speak to the devs without a 'rtfm & go get a gentoo job' smokescreen ?
Sorry, I've missed how that's relevant to Gentoo metastructure..?
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On Thursday 09 June 2005 00:00, Daniel Drake wrote:
> - Form a task force for additional study ("Task-Force")
> -core mail (7 June 2005) from jstubbs, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (will be available on gentoo-dev as a response to this message)
Not very patient, were we? ;)
http://dev.gentoo.org/~jstub
Paul Waring wrote: [Wed Jun 08 2005, 10:22:12AM CDT]
> On 6/8/05, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Polls are open for the metastructure reform vote. All Gentoo developers
> > are
> > eligible to vote.
>
> Any particular reason why Gentoo users are not allowed to have a say?
Feel fr
Paul Waring wrote:
> On 6/8/05, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Polls are open for the metastructure reform vote. All Gentoo developers are
>>eligible to vote.
>
> Any particular reason why Gentoo users are not allowed to have a say?
This is about how we organize the work between
might I suggest not kicking #gentoo-dev visitors who ask for voice to
speak to the devs without a 'rtfm & go get a gentoo job' smokescreen ?
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On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 16:22 +0100, Paul Waring wrote:
> On 6/8/05, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Polls are open for the metastructure reform vote. All Gentoo developers
> > are
> > eligible to vote.
>
> Any particular reason why Gentoo users are not allowed to have a say?
Because
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> Agreed, the PPC team is very good at arbitrarily marking things stable
> whenever they feel like it, and often times before the maintainer does.
This is not usually our policy. However, because we moved GCC-3.4 to
stable before many arches, there w
On Wednesday 08 June 2005 11:05 am, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> That's simple.
>
> Give it the same functionality when called with any of build, bootstrap,
> or minimal USE flags.
heh...yeah, that would do it. Thanks,
Mike
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On 6/8/05, Daniel Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Polls are open for the metastructure reform vote. All Gentoo developers are
> eligible to vote.
Any particular reason why Gentoo users are not allowed to have a say?
Paul
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Daniel Drake wrote:
> - Form a task force for additional study ("Task-Force")
> -core mail (7 June 2005) from jstubbs, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (will be available on gentoo-dev as a response to this message)
Jason Stubbs' proposal:
I'm past this deadline, but I'd like to propose a modified "keepin
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 10:41 -0400, Michael Cummings wrote:
> On Wednesday 08 June 2005 03:21 am, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> > Now that we've established however that openssl could compile with only
> > a perl interpreter and none of the modules, we shouldn't have any
> > dependancies in the other di
Please keep future information regarding this poll public on gentoo-dev or
similar.
[publicising on gentoo-dev with permission from Grant Goodyear]
Dear all,
Polls are open for the metastructure reform vote. All Gentoo developers are
eligible to vote.
The proposals up for vote:
- The "FOSDEM
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Aron Griffis wrote:
Marcus D. Hanwell wrote:[Tue Jun 07 2005, 05:32:31PM EDT]
I also vote for alpha. I would like to see some indication of
maintainer arch in metadata too, but in general agree with the
policy of if one arch sta
On Wednesday 08 June 2005 03:21 am, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> Now that we've established however that openssl could compile with only
> a perl interpreter and none of the modules, we shouldn't have any
> dependancies in the other direction either?
Once I find a general consensus on whether we need
On Tuesday 07 June 2005 02:21 pm, Aron Griffis wrote:
> Only if the ebuild is called something other than perl, right?
> I mean, wouldn't it need to be called something like "miniperl" so
> that openssl could dep on miniperl, and perl could dep on openssl?
Actually, that's debatable, as it could
Please keep your devaway information uptodate.
Thanks and thanks for using devaway.
BTW i would appreciate we either give an estimation when we will
return or at least the date we add the away message.
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Not yet, still hashing :)
On Tuesday 07 June 2005 06:22 pm, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 06:39 -0400, Michael Cummings wrote:
> > bugs would dissipate rapidly I think. It would save space (with his use
> > flags/architecture, perl went from 12,300K to 930K) on livecd's. I have a
On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 08:14 +0300, Alin Nastac wrote:
> Chris Gianelloni wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 19:55 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Also I find it amusing when people say that Gentoo exists for the
> >>users. I think that is wrong. Gentoo exists for the *developers*.
> >>
On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 23:07 +, Ferris McCormick wrote:
> I also like alpha, but that is not what I am responding to. And I have to
> admit that I haven't followed this too closely. But the "if one arch
> stabalises..." assumption can be misleading. For example, xorg-x11
> maintainer arch
Hi all,
Chris has just become a developer, in order to help with the Gentoo
Installer project. He's living in Tampa, Florida, where he's taking a
MIS Major at the University of South Florida. He enjoys reading (Jordan,
Asimov, Eddings, Goodkind), as well as more active hobbies: swimming,
volunteer
On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 03:45:46PM -0400, Aron Griffis wrote:
> This isn't always an option... but how hard would it be to rewrite
> that stuff in awk or sed?
For some of the scripts, it might be possible, but it's definetly well
beyond my skills. It's 21073 lines of perl in total.
I definetly do
On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 15:19:17 +0800
"Dulmandakh Sukhbaatar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> Where I can find unofficial gentoo development guide? It isn't
> present where it was week ago. I need it as soon as possible.
see this link:
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-344544-highlight
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