Re: [gentoo-amd64] disk error [OT]

2005-12-07 Thread Jamie Dobbs
That does not look very good to me, I suspect your HDD may be on its way out. David Boucher wrote: Hi ! I have started my laptop this morning and at the startup it writes many lines like hdc: write_intr: error=0x10 {SectorIdNotFound }, LBAsect=97370035, high=5, low=13483955, sector=97370035

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Milton Yates
Le mercredi 07 décembre 2005 à 11:46 -0500, Nuitari a écrit : > > 1) If I build and boot a 32-bit version of Gentoo it is my > > understanding that the AMD64 will be completely 32-bit compatible and > > that I can run whatever any other IA-32 machine can run. Is this > > correct? > > Yes > > > 2)

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Re: Re: mce log errors

2005-12-07 Thread Brett Johnson
I tend to agree with the power supply theory. Was the make and model of the PS ever determined? In the Jan 2005 issue of Maximum PC (http://www.maximumpc.com/issue_date/january_2005/) there is an atricle testing 7 ~500 watt power supplies and a 400 watt reference power supply. Of the 8 PS tested,

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Re: Re: mce log errors

2005-12-07 Thread Deedra Waters
Power at this house is fine. We've not had any problems as far as i can tell, and the box is on a ups that's good, so i don't think it's that either. So, no overheating, I seriously dout the ps is defective, though i guess anything is possible. What else would that leave? heh On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, D

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Multiple X with multiple Keyboards

2005-12-07 Thread Duncan
Christian Aistleitner posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:51:39 +0100: > thank you Duncan, Steve, and Tres for your answers. Sadly enough none of > your hints can be used to realize what I was looking for (except the link > to > http://cambuca.ldhs.cetuc.puc-rio.br

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:24:06 -0600 (CST) "Brett Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > A slight change to the above. The requirement to use athlon-xp in the > 32-bit chroot is not for bit correctness, it is because GCC 3.3 doesnt > support amd64 specific -march setting. GCC 3.4 just recently went >

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Daniel Gryniewicz
On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 14:24 -0600, Brett Johnson wrote: > A slight change to the above. The requirement to use athlon-xp in the > 32-bit chroot is not for bit correctness, it is because GCC 3.3 doesnt > support amd64 specific -march setting. GCC 3.4 just recently went stable > for x86, so in theor

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: memory

2005-12-07 Thread Billy Holmes
Duncan wrote: I'm /definitely/ not sure on this, hopefully someone else will correct me if I'm wrong, but I /believe/ "virtual address space" or "virtual memory" in this case means something other than swap. I /believe/ swap would still be part of the physical memory address space. well, I did

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: mce log errors

2005-12-07 Thread Duncan
Deedra Waters posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:10:07 -0600: > Yes, sata. 4 sata drives, and a pata drive, plus dvdrw. Your system is so much like mine, it's downright eerie! Great mind think alike, they say! =8^) -- Duncan - List replies preferred. No H

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Brett Johnson
>> >> A useful pointer - thanks. But it seems to assume that we use Athlon XP >> processors (FLAGS="-O2 -march=athlon-xp -msse2 -pipe >> -fomit-frame-pointer"). My box has Opterons, so I assume I should >> substitute "-march=opteron", no? >> >> I've found explanations a bit thin on the ground as

[gentoo-amd64] Re: memory

2005-12-07 Thread Thomas Bellman
Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Note in particular that many AMD64 chips require registered memory, which > is significantly more expensive than unregistered memory. A few of the > newer CPUs eliminate this requirement, but I haven't been tracking close > enough to know if they've actually sh

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Brett Johnson
typo on my part, athlon-xp > > athlon_xp or athlon-xp? The Gentoo doc for the chroot stated the > later. Or does it matter? > > Thanks, > Mark > > -- > gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list > > Random Thought: --- Peter Griffin: Waiting in line for bathroom after drinking prune smoot

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Mark Knecht
On 12/7/05, Brett Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For the 32-bit chroot, you should use athlon_xp as that is > the most conservative setting for running in 32 bit mode on the k8 > architecture. athlon_xp or athlon-xp? The Gentoo doc for the chroot stated the later. Or does it matter? Thanks

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Re: Re: mce log errors

2005-12-07 Thread Deedra Waters
Yes, sata. 4 sata drives, and a pata drive, plus dvdrw. On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Duncan wrote: > Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:50:30 -0700 > From: Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org > To: gentoo-amd64@lists.gentoo.org > Subject: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Re: Re: mce log erro

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Re: Re: mce log errors

2005-12-07 Thread Duncan
Homer Parker posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Wed, 07 Dec 2005 12:23:07 -0600: > The specs on the PSU in her system are: > > Total Continuous Output 550W > +5V 40A > +12V1 19A > +12V2 19A > +3.3V 32A > +5Vsb 2.0A > > I'm still working up total consumption, but so far

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Re: Re: mce log errors

2005-12-07 Thread Duncan
Nuitari posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:36:39 -0500: > Yes, although that a lot of factory default settings for scsi hard drives > have a Delayed start option of 10s * scsi ID and / or until the start > command is received so that the power supply doesn't get h

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Brett Johnson
> > A useful pointer - thanks. But it seems to assume that we use Athlon XP > processors (FLAGS="-O2 -march=athlon-xp -msse2 -pipe > -fomit-frame-pointer"). My box has Opterons, so I assume I should > substitute "-march=opteron", no? > > I've found explanations a bit thin on the ground as to what t

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: memory

2005-12-07 Thread Duncan
Billy Holmes posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Wed, 07 Dec 2005 13:36:13 -0500: > Duncan wrote: >> The current AMD spec says the CPUs offer 40-bit physical memory >> addressing, 48-bit virtual memory addressing. So, 256 TB virtual >> memory, but only a terabyte physical memory, in

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Mark Knecht
On 12/7/05, Daniel Gryniewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 19:35 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:44:01 -0600 (CST) > > "Brett Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Here is a good doc on how to set this up: > > > > > > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/e

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Daniel Gryniewicz
On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 19:35 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:44:01 -0600 (CST) > "Brett Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Here is a good doc on how to set this up: > > > > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/howtos/index.xml?part=1&chap=3 > > A useful pointer - t

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wed, 7 Dec 2005 10:44:01 -0600 (CST) "Brett Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here is a good doc on how to set this up: > > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/amd64/howtos/index.xml?part=1&chap=3 A useful pointer - thanks. But it seems to assume that we use Athlon XP processors (FLAGS="-O

[gentoo-amd64] Re: 64 bit or not

2005-12-07 Thread Duncan
Harry Putnam posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:30:10 -0600: > I'm about to install gentoo on an athlon64. Is there enough 64 bit > software and other good reasons to use the 64 bit version? > > Although a long time linux user, I'm not particularly skilled at de

Re: [gentoo-amd64] memory

2005-12-07 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:31:07 -0700 "Conway S. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've got 2 * 1GiB sticks in my box right now. Works wonderfully. I've got 4 in mine, so there! :-) -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Sebastian Redl
Brett Johnson wrote: When the actual 32 bit X app starts up, it will use sockets to talk directly to your 64 bit X server. This is the same as starting a X application on a remote system with X forwarding. The actual code is executed on the remote system (what ever the platform is) and the disp

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Brett Johnson
> > I do find it surprising/curious/mystifying that I can run, for > instance, a 32-bit Firefox with 32-bit helper apps, all running from > the chrooted environment, but as far as I can tell, you are saying it > will be using a 64-bit version of X, along with 64-bit ATI drivers, > 64-bit Alsa and a

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Re: mce log errors

2005-12-07 Thread Nuitari
For point of power reference in relation to drive usage, my Seagate SATAs say maximum spin-up draw is 2.8 amp @ 12 volt, so roughly 11 amp if all four are spun up at once, 14 if the fifth drive is assumed to have similar power requirements. Operational draw is of course much lower, .85 amp on the

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Billy Holmes
Mark Knecht wrote: I'm sure I don't have this quite right in my mind yet. I presume that to build FIrefox and mplayer in the chrooted environemnt I will end up building a 32-bit version of X, etc., but I guess it's not used? exactly :) it just needs those 32-bit libraries to link against. All

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: memory

2005-12-07 Thread Billy Holmes
Duncan wrote: The current AMD spec says the CPUs offer 40-bit physical memory addressing, 48-bit virtual memory addressing. So, 256 TB virtual memory, but only a terabyte physical memory, in a flat-address configuration. thanks Duncan! that's good to know :) can you imagine the RAID array ne

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Re: mce log errors

2005-12-07 Thread Billy Holmes
Duncan wrote: for here, unfortunately. Still, if you have a blog or the like with your thoughts on FLOSS accessibility both there and in general, feel free to post a link! Aye, I'd be mega-interested in reading that as well. -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Mark Knecht
On 12/7/05, Brett Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Mark, > > 1) Yes, if you install x86 version of gentoo, it will be 100% functional > as a 32 bit OS. > > 2) You can install a 32 bit choot version of gentoo under you 64 bit os > and be able to run 32 bit apps in the chroot while still runni

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Considering going no-multilib

2005-12-07 Thread Duncan
Peter Humphrey posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:30:42 +: > On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:20:36 -0700 > Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Question. If I do so, will grub still compile for me, or will I have to >> use grub-static (I /guess/ that's the binary-o

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Re: mce log errors

2005-12-07 Thread Homer Parker
On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 10:45 -0700, Duncan wrote: > Of course, to that you must add memory/CPU/mobo/fan/expansion use. > However, 25 amps on the 12 volt should be plenty, unless you have > unusually high draw expansion needs. It /may/ be your 5 volt giving > out, > given the disks use that as well

[gentoo-amd64] Re: memory

2005-12-07 Thread Duncan
Mark Haney posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:52:27 -0500: > Gavin Seddon wrote: > >>Hi, >>I have decided to put 2 * 1Gig cards in my box. Will Gentoo accept this >>immediately? >> > I have 2GB in my system and Gentoo uses it fine, Stage1 compile no > problems

[gentoo-amd64] Re: memory

2005-12-07 Thread Duncan
Billy Holmes posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Wed, 07 Dec 2005 09:52:01 -0500: > Conway S. Smith wrote: >> assumption on this list, then you automatically get support for well >> over 4GiB of memory (I can't remember exactly how much is supported, but > > If we low ball it and jus

[gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: Re: mce log errors

2005-12-07 Thread Duncan
Deedra Waters posted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, excerpted below, on Wed, 07 Dec 2005 08:35:30 -0600: > I don't know what brand, i'm totally blind, so couldn't read anything on > it to tell you. Wow! I didn't know that! I had seen a picture of you from one of the GWN articles (the one covering the l

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Brett Johnson
Hi Mark, 1) Yes, if you install x86 version of gentoo, it will be 100% functional as a 32 bit OS. 2) You can install a 32 bit choot version of gentoo under you 64 bit os and be able to run 32 bit apps in the chroot while still running the 64 bit os. This option will require additional disk space

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread David Anderson
Mark Knecht wrote: Hi, My wife and I signed up for a class that is taught partially in person and to a great extent on the web. To use the material it's the usual set of requirements - Windows, IE or Firefox, Java, Flash, an audio player that plays stuff on the page, etc., or a Mac. My wife's

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Ben Skeggs
Am Mittwoch, den 07.12.2005, 08:39 -0800 schrieb Mark Knecht: >Some questions: > > 1) If I build and boot a 32-bit version of Gentoo it is my > understanding that the AMD64 will be completely 32-bit compatible and > that I can run whatever any other IA-32 machine can run. Is this > correct? Co

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Billy Holmes
Mark Knecht wrote: 2) If I build a 32-bit install is there anyway to run this 32-bit environment within the 64-bit environment? I assume not. that's exactly what a 32-bit chroot is. You run 64-bit, but you chroot into the 32-bit directory which basically has a copy of gentoo in it but with "a

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Daniel Gryniewicz
On Wed, 2005-12-07 at 08:39 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: > Hi, >My wife and I signed up for a class that is taught partially in > person and to a great extent on the web. To use the material it's the > usual set of requirements - Windows, IE or Firefox, Java, Flash, an > audio player that plays st

Re: [gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Nuitari
1) If I build and boot a 32-bit version of Gentoo it is my understanding that the AMD64 will be completely 32-bit compatible and that I can run whatever any other IA-32 machine can run. Is this correct? Yes 2) If I build a 32-bit install is there anyway to run this 32-bit environment within th

[gentoo-amd64] AMD64 - Firefox, flash, java, mplayer and more....

2005-12-07 Thread Mark Knecht
Hi, My wife and I signed up for a class that is taught partially in person and to a great extent on the web. To use the material it's the usual set of requirements - Windows, IE or Firefox, Java, Flash, an audio player that plays stuff on the page, etc., or a Mac. My wife's 32-bit Gentoo machine

Re: [gentoo-amd64] memory

2005-12-07 Thread Peter Schneider-Kamp
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Gavin Seddon wrote: > Hi, > I have decided to put 2 * 1Gig cards in my box. Will Gentoo accept this > immediately? 8 * 1 Gig here. Works like a charm out of the box. Kind regards, Peter - -- Peter Schneider-Kamp mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] LuFG Info

Re: [gentoo-amd64] memory

2005-12-07 Thread Mark Haney
Gavin Seddon wrote: Hi, I have decided to put 2 * 1Gig cards in my box. Will Gentoo accept this immediately? Gavin I have 2GB in my system and Gentoo uses it fine, Stage1 compile no problems. -- Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum Mark Haney Sr. Systems Administ

Re: [gentoo-amd64] memory

2005-12-07 Thread Billy Holmes
Conway S. Smith wrote: assumption on this list, then you automatically get support for well over 4GiB of memory (I can't remember exactly how much is supported, but If we low ball it and just assume 48-bits are used to address memory, then that's 256 Terabytes of RAM :) I think we're safe f

Re: [gentoo-amd64] memory

2005-12-07 Thread Marcel Treis
Conway S. Smith wrote: > Marcel Treis wrote: > > >Gavin Seddon wrote: > > > >>Hi, > >>I have decided to put 2 * 1Gig cards in my box. Will Gentoo accept this > >>immediately? > >>Gavin > >> > >> > >You probably need to recompile your Kernel with support for more than 1 > >Gig Ram: > > >"Processor

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: mce log errors

2005-12-07 Thread Deedra Waters
I don't know what brand, i'm totally blind, so couldn't read anything on it to tell you. I do know that this board did require the 8 pin thing for the board as yours does, and we did have to get a specific power supply for that. On Wed, 7 Dec 2005, Duncan wrote: > Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 00:17:49 -

Re: [gentoo-amd64] memory

2005-12-07 Thread Conway S. Smith
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marcel Treis wrote: > Gavin Seddon wrote: > > >>Hi, >>I have decided to put 2 * 1Gig cards in my box. Will Gentoo accept this >>immediately? >>Gavin >> >> > > You probably need to recompile your Kernel with support for more than 1 > Gig Ram: > >

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Considering going no-multilib

2005-12-07 Thread Peter Humphrey
On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 08:20:36 -0700 Duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Question. If I do so, will grub still compile for me, or will I have > to use grub-static (I /guess/ that's the binary-only ebuild?)? I haven't been able to get the 64-bit version to install on my box, so I've been using grub

Re: [gentoo-amd64] memory

2005-12-07 Thread Marcel Treis
Gavin Seddon wrote: >Hi, >I have decided to put 2 * 1Gig cards in my box. Will Gentoo accept this >immediately? >Gavin > > You probably need to recompile your Kernel with support for more than 1 Gig Ram: "Processor type and features" > "High Memory Support (4GB)" signature.asc Description:

Re: [gentoo-amd64] memory

2005-12-07 Thread Truong NINH
As long as your mother board support it. Regards, On 12/8/05, Gavin Seddon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi,I have decided to put 2 * 1Gig cards in my box.  Will Gentoo accept thisimmediately?Gavin--Dr Gavin SeddonSchool of Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical SciencesUniversity of ManchesterOxford Road, Manch

[gentoo-amd64] scsi tape

2005-12-07 Thread Gavin Seddon
Hi, When I first booted the inst. cd it wouldn't. So I removed the initio scsi controller for my tape and all was ok. During my exploits I noticed an initio module. I compiled scsi tape into the kernel. Should it work now or do you recommend a different controller, if so, which? Thanks. Gavin.

[gentoo-amd64] memory

2005-12-07 Thread Gavin Seddon
Hi, I have decided to put 2 * 1Gig cards in my box. Will Gentoo accept this immediately? Gavin -- Dr Gavin Seddon School of Pharmacy and Pharmaceutical Sciences University of Manchester Oxford Road, Manchester M13 9PL, U.K. -- gentoo-amd64@gentoo.org mailing list

Re: [gentoo-amd64] vmware [fixed]

2005-12-07 Thread Gavin Seddon
Hi, I reinstalled, reconfigured, edited '/etc/group' and all works. Thanks. On Sun, 2005-12-04 at 16:37 +, theboywho wrote: > On Sunday 04 December 2005 16:16, Nuitari wrote: > > > Hi, I have tried to start vmware and I get > > > 'failed to start unable to connect to peer process. > > > I ha

Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Re: mce log errors

2005-12-07 Thread Nuitari
550 /should/ be enough, correct. However, as Nuitari asks, what brand, and is it UL/CE certified or not? If not, as I said, the rating's worth less than the sticker it's printed on. 550w doesn't mean much actually. It is the total power output it is capable of, under ideal conditions. You h