RE: Help!

2003-12-27 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Berin, The issue of how a PMC overseeing a large number of projects should implement oversight is something of a different issue, however I seem to recall that Roy commented earlier that a PPMC could be viewed as a PMC subcommittee, given a responsibility for a particular aspect of that PMC's over

RE: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-27 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Berin Lautenbach wrote: When the Incubator is coming up for its own quarterly report, I think that the Incubator Chair can send out a reminder to each PPMC list reminding them. The PMC, for its part, can and should make sure that there is sufficient oversight, but I don't believe that we need to

Re: Help!

2003-12-27 Thread Berin Lautenbach
Noel J. Bergman wrote: So what does the extra "P" stand for now? Actually nothing. But since everyone keeps asking, I consulted Mr. Roget. Two choices could be "provisional" and "possible" -- as adjectives for the project, not the committee. Personally, I would not bother to expand the acronym

Re: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-27 Thread Berin Lautenbach
Actually I see the mentor as being more than just requesting reports. I see the mentor as the formal link between the incubating projects and the ASF. A guide in the true sense of the word, and a person the ASF (generally in the form of the Incubator PMC) can hold accountable for the ongoing

RE: Help!

2003-12-27 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Berin, The basic drawback of expanding the acronym, IMO, is that because PMC is taken as a token, the people tend to see the P as applied to PMC. As you've already commented, "Practice" PMC isn't the connotation we want to convey, nor would "Provisional" PMC be desireable. It is more like a Prov

RE: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-27 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Berin Lautenbach wrote: > Actually I see the mentor as being more than just requesting reports. I agree. Ideally, IMO, mentors are participating as knowledgeable peers. > a person the ASF (generally in the form of the Incubator PMC) can > hold accountable for the ongoing progress of incubation.

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] PPMCs for Incubating Projects

2003-12-27 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 03:58:43PM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > >>The status updates are posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED], prior ACK > >>from any Incubator PMC member. > > > >Does this need an ACK? > > I reckon it would need a "go-ahead" from the community, requiring an ACK > from a mentor is p

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] PPMCs for Incubating Projects

2003-12-27 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Thu, Dec 25, 2003 at 11:23:40AM +1100, Berin Lautenbach wrote: > Onto the overall thought - do they have to be "Practice" PMCs? To me it > sounds very patronsing, although that might just be a culture thing. > > On a more serious note however, to me PPMCs are more than practice - > they are

Re: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-27 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 08:39:00AM +1100, Berin Lautenbach wrote: > My one concern is that at the moment we have a mentor who has been > officially assigned to assist the project in question, who is a single > contact for the new developers in the event of issues and who is the > single person t

Re: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-27 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 02:22:26AM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > When the Incubator is coming up for its own quarterly report, I think that > the Incubator Chair can send out a reminder to each PPMC list reminding > them. The PMC, for its part, can and should make sure that there is > sufficient

Re: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-27 Thread Berin Lautenbach
Aaron Bannert wrote: Why must it be one person? The entire Incubator PMC is responsible, so why should we limit this to one person? Not saying there should be only one mentor (in fact I would argue against it). But I do think it important to have *identified* mentors. Having said that, I contin