Re: donation of project

2003-12-26 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Your administrative burden is *much* smaller. For example, by simply registering the project, you get a CVS server, a mailing list system, forums, a bug tracking system and all that stuff automatically. I'm not sure that I understood the point. The infrastructure team doe

PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-26 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Now that we have PPMCs, I am in the process of updating our policy document. http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html In particular, we have decided that not all PMC members have to be on every PPMC, but just ones that want to help out, that are thus Mentors. This brings us

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] PPMCs for Incubating Projects

2003-12-26 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Thanks for the useful suggestions.. Sander Striker wrote: On Wed, 2003-12-24 at 13:42, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: ... The status updates are posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED], prior ACK from any Incubator PMC member. Does this need an ACK? I reckon it would need a "go-ahead" from the community, requiri

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-26 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Berin Lautenbach wrote: ... I note that at the moment we have reserved the right for the Incubator PMC to vote if so desired. Does everyone think we should remove that potential out of the policy? I think so now. It should not be of our business to challenge the decisions of other PMCs. If an e

RE: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > If being on the PPMC is not compulsory for PMC members I believe that we need to distinguish between the PPMC mailing list and the PPMC. Whether or not a PMC member is subscribed to the PPMC mailing list, all PMC members are on the PPMC. The key issue is that all iss

Re: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-26 Thread Berin Lautenbach
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: The current mechanism assumes that designated Mentors are the ones that have decided to be there, and we may assume that is there are enough Mentors, they will be there or tell us that they cannot do it anymore. If we don't have explicit Mentors... how does it work? MH

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

2003-12-26 Thread Berin Lautenbach
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Berin Lautenbach wrote: ... I note that at the moment we have reserved the right for the Incubator PMC to vote if so desired. Does everyone think we should remove that potential out of the policy? I think so now. It should not be of our business to challenge the deci

RE: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Berin, Just as the ASF Board does with each PMC, we should try to encourage each PPMC to do the oversight required of it, with guidance from individuals, but without micro-management by the PMC as a body. My comment from "PPMCs, Mentors and Chairs" on the PMC list was that although each PPMC can

Re: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-26 Thread Berin Lautenbach
Noel, No - I agree :>. My comments about a mentor is nothing to do with Status files or the like. It's all about having one formal link between the current ASF and the particular project in incubation. In fact that person doing all the status reports etc. I would see as counterproductive, fo

Re: PPMCs and oversight

2003-12-26 Thread Stephen McConnell
Berin Lautenbach wrote: Noel, No - I agree :>. My comments about a mentor is nothing to do with Status files or the like. It's all about having one formal link between the current ASF and the particular project in incubation. In fact that person doing all the status reports etc. I would se

Help!

2003-12-26 Thread Berin Lautenbach
Nicola/Noel et al, I started playing with the PPMC text, just to wordsmith a tiny bit and flesh out a few things, and realised I don't understand the entire intent :>. I had been seeing the PPMC as the "PMC to be" - so to speak. I think that is the case for the projects that will become TLPs,

RE: Help!

2003-12-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Berin Lautenbach wrote: > will all developers be on a PPMC? I wouldn't think so - I would > have thought it would be like a normal TLP, where those who are > guiding the project (hopefully nearly all committers - but not > necessarily) will be on the PMC. All active Committers should be on the P

Re: Help!

2003-12-26 Thread Berin Lautenbach
Noel J. Bergman wrote: will all developers be on a PPMC? I wouldn't think so - I would have thought it would be like a normal TLP, where those who are guiding the project (hopefully nearly all committers - but not necessarily) will be on the PMC. All active Committers should be on the PPMC, jus