Re: [VOTE] PPMCs for Incubating Projects

2003-12-17 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Aaron Bannert wrote: On Mon, Dec 15, 2003 at 02:16:49PM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: [snip everything above that I agree with] :-) Incubator PMC members not engaged in active discussion and development on a project are on the project PPMC in quality of observers. They should refrain from vo

Re: [VOTE] PPMCs for Incubating Projects

2003-12-17 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 02:47:43PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > > The status update occurs on the PPMC list. Thus, the notion of > > > reporting to the "main Incubator PMC" is a non-issue, as all > > > Incubator PMC members are also on the PPMC. > > > I also disagree with this. The purpose of

Re: [VOTE] PPMCs for Incubating Projects

2003-12-17 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 10:47:31AM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > >I don't agree that Incubator PMC members should only be second-class > >PPMCers. If an Incubator PMC member wishes to volunteer their time > >to participate as a seed PMC member on the new PPMC, then they > >should be a first-cl

Re: Exiting Incubation - Status Check

2003-12-17 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 09:32:11AM -0800, Andy Cutright wrote: > i'm interested in the web of trust as well. i've just started following > the incubator/ infrastructure lists. is there a summary of the proposals > some where? > > i imagine there are a number of apache committers in the SF bay are

Re: [VOTE] PPMCs for Incubating Projects

2003-12-17 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Tue, Dec 16, 2003 at 08:49:10AM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: > This is not exactly how it should work. > > What happens ATM: if a problem has to be solved on the private PMC list, > we have to use [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > This is a *big* problem, as the future PMCers of the project in questi

RE: [VOTE] PPMCs for Incubating Projects

2003-12-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Aaron Bannert wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > The status report is a public document, unless there are private items, of > which you can imagine some few. Discussion and approval of the status > report can be on the PPMC list. Let's see how it plays out. > Ok, maybe we're talking about differe

RE: [VOTE] PPMCs for Incubating Projects

2003-12-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> This entire email and this whole Wiki thing has become overwhelmingly > verbose for me. Maybe I'm oversensitive to complicated things, but this > is too much. Can we please try and make things simpler, at least for > those of us with poor short term memory. :) In my opinion, we (the ASF) need to

Re: [VOTE] PPMCs for Incubating Projects

2003-12-17 Thread Leo Simons
Aaron Bannert wrote: Also, it seems to me that any Incubator PMC member who has joined a PPMC list is already acting in the role of "Mentor"? Now that we have PPMCs, we don't need to have an explicit role of "Mentor" anymore. Can we get rid of these complicated rules and roles and terms now that w

RE: [VOTE] PPMCs for Incubating Projects

2003-12-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Leo Simons wrote: [ a lot of good stuff] Care to start that as a QA page, and we'll polish it? --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[STATUS] (incubator) Wed Dec 17 23:45:24 EST 2003

2003-12-17 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
APACHE INCUBATOR PROJECT STATUS: -*-indented-text-*- Last modified at [$Date: 2003/11/11 00:01:00 $] Web site: http://Incubator.Apache.Org/ Wiki page: http://Nagoya.Apache.Org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheIncubatorProjectPages [note: the Web site is the 'official' documenta

Re: [VOTE] PPMCs for Incubating Projects

2003-12-17 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Wed, Dec 17, 2003 at 03:40:58PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > No, I never said anything of the kind. I agreed with what you said, > although I would actually suggest that the status be posted to general@, > once agreed upon. Sounds good to me. +1 -aaron