There is a vote about Geronimo name that has created confusion, a PPMC
discussion that is left half way, and comments about the Incubator not
working that are finally getting constructive.
I'd like to starting sorting this out one by one, and get this done.
Here is the plan:
1 - define the fin
The Incubator has already undergone many changes since it's start.
In extreme summary we have created documents about an initial process,
decided that multiple Mentors on an incubating project are desired and
have a sufficient checklist to follow for the process.
Current status is summarized in
> Geronimo was an Apache was he not? So it definitley seems odd that we
> can name our whole organization after the people of Geronimo but not
> Geronimo himself (yes, I know the name came from "a patchy server, but
> that's not obvious to anyone most of the time).
I understand that Andy Oliv
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
How is it to be done?
Shoot.
JFDI applies. I think every PMC member and every ASF
member that had something to say about the PPMC idea
was basically in favour. We have consensus on the broad
plan; enough of a mandate to get things underway. Create
a PPMC battle plan and
Leo Simons wrote:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
How is it to be done?
Shoot.
JFDI applies.
I'm trying to recap, I had a hard time understanding some details in all
the mails I'm reading.
I think every PMC member and every ASF
member that had something to say about the PPMC idea
was basically in f
> How is it to be done?
>
Ditch the incubator bureaucracy entirely and have the sponsoring member go
into the community, show them the light and then demonstrate to the PMC or
governance body (board/members whatever) that the project has a strong
community and follows the rules and audits the lice
> Who should be on each ppmc?
> - all PMC members of the future PMC (committers + landing PMC members)
> - all Incubator PMC members (or just mentors?)
AIUI, yes. All of the above.
> 5) Reporting the the main Incubator PMC
Non-issue (see above).
--- Noel
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Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
How is it to be done?
Ditch the incubator bureaucracy entirely and have the sponsoring member go
into the community, show them the light and then demonstrate to the PMC or
governance body (board/members whatever) that the project has a strong
community and follows the rules
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Who should be on each ppmc?
- all PMC members of the future PMC (committers + landing PMC members)
- all Incubator PMC members (or just mentors?)
AIUI, yes. All of the above.
So the Mentors would be the only ones that must stay also on the other
project mailing lists, co
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> Ditch the incubator bureaucracy entirely and have the sponsoring member go
> into the community, show them the light and then demonstrate to the PMC or
> governance body (board/members whatever) that the project has a strong
> community and follows the rules and audits the
On 12/2/03 8:04 AM, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
>>> How is it to be done?
>>
>> Ditch the incubator bureaucracy entirely and have the sponsoring member go
>> into the community, show them the light and then demonstrate to the PMC or
>> governance b
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > >Who should be on each ppmc?
> > > - all PMC members of the future PMC (committers + landing PMC
members)
> > > - all Incubator PMC members (or just mentors?)
> >
> > AIUI, yes. All of the above.
> So the Mentors would be the only ones that
Thanks for bringing up this question.
First and foremost, the incubator's focus should be on legal aspects.
Do we have all the necessary rights to the code base? Do all committers
have the necessary CLA's signed.
I am getting nearly daily calls from IBM lawyers asking about one code
base or a
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
...
That's my current strawman. Work for you?
Excellent, it surely does :-)
I put the things said in these mails here:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/PpmcProposal
and linked it from here:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator
With this new wiki all diffs are sent to [EMAIL P
Sam Ruby wrote:
Thanks for bringing up this question.
Thanks Sam for this very nice mail, I agree with what you say.
I have just one point:
...
For that reason, I believe that there needs to be a clear distinction
between PPMC members who are primarily observers and vetoers of last
resort, and
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
On 12/2/03 8:04 AM, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
How is it to be done?
Ditch the incubator bureaucracy entirely and have the sponsoring member go
into the community, show them the light and then demonstrate to the PMC or
governan
Sam Ruby wrote:
> One thing we have talked about is PPMC's. This makes a lot of sense for
> things proposed as new ASF projects. This makes considerably less sense
> for donations such as the ones that are coming into Maven. The PMC is
> already established. New committers may come online as
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 05:03:31PM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> I'm getting annoyed by the high number of mails I write that get cced to
> members. If members want to participate in the Incubator, there is a
> mailing list, so please cut it off.
I agree completely. Can we please stop pollu
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Sam Ruby wrote:
Thanks for bringing up this question.
Thanks Sam for this very nice mail, I agree with what you say.
I have just one point:
...
For that reason, I believe that there needs to be a clear distinction
between PPMC members who are primarily observers and
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 09:58:02AM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> IMNSHO Geronimo can easily go on without a logo or a final name for a
> couple of weeks if needed, so I'll wait to get 3 done after 1 and 2 are
> done.
Please don't postpone this any longer. We have had a vote. I would
like to
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 07:28:09AM +0100, Andreas Kuckartz wrote:
> Aaron Bannert wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 12:04:46PM -0500, Sam Ruby wrote:
> >> Put in tangible terms, I would much prefer to see a incubator puruse a
> >> vote of [no] confidence in the Geronimo PPC than to have the incuba
I don't see Geir, James Strachan, or any of the Geronimo folks on that list.
And I am not sure if you have all of the votes recorded properly. As I
understood Roy, he said that he'd prefer a different name (as would I), but
I don't believe that he veto'd its use (neither did I). He vetoed the ide
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Sam Ruby wrote:
One thing we have talked about is PPMC's. This makes a lot of sense for
things proposed as new ASF projects. This makes considerably less sense
for donations such as the ones that are coming into Maven. The PMC is
already established. New committers ma
Aaron Bannert wrote:
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 09:58:02AM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
IMNSHO Geronimo can easily go on without a logo or a final name for a
couple of weeks if needed, so I'll wait to get 3 done after 1 and 2 are
done.
Please don't postpone this any longer. We have had a vot
On Dec 2, 2003, at 5:40 PM, Aaron Bannert wrote:
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 09:58:02AM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
IMNSHO Geronimo can easily go on without a logo or a final name for a
couple of weeks if needed, so I'll wait to get 3 done after 1 and 2
are
done.
Please don't postpone this any l
On 12/1/03 10:00 AM, David Jencks wrote:
Not to mention Xerces (definitely a person) and Alexandria (city in
Egypt), Merlin (religious and possibly a person's name), Pluto
(religious and possibly a geographical place, depending on whether you
think planets have geography), and possibly Avalon (
Ted Leung wrote:
On 12/1/03 10:00 AM, David Jencks wrote:
Not to mention Xerces (definitely a person) and Alexandria (city in
Egypt), Merlin (religious and possibly a person's name), Pluto
(religious and possibly a geographical place, depending on whether you
think planets have geography), and
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