Re: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project

2003-11-30 Thread Roy T. Fielding
I honestly didn't think the use of the name in this context was an abuse. I don't think it is abuse -- he is a historical figure and he died over 100 years ago, so there is no real fear of being sued for it. I just think it is wrong. Roy

Re: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project

2003-11-30 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Aaron Bannert wrote: The Geronimo folks are talking about making logos and there seems to be a desire to have official signoff on the name. Please vote on one of the following choices: [X] - Let them keep "Geronimo" as the official name. [ ] - Punt the decision to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ ] - D

Re: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project

2003-11-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
On Nov 29, 2003, at 2:20 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: On 29 Nov 2003, Jason van Zyl wrote: It's not like it's "Geronimo: the society of baby seal clubbers" or something nasty like that. It's a piece of free software that gives people some choice and it uses the name of a native indian hero. So som

Re: [VOTE] Incubate Apache Repo

2003-11-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
"Depot" On Nov 24, 2003, at 4:41 PM, Roy T. Fielding wrote: -1: Repo is an American colloquialism that is short for "Repossession", which is not something you want in a distribution tool. You need to find a neutral name. Roy --

Re: [VOTE] Incubate Apache Repo

2003-11-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
On Nov 24, 2003, at 5:29 PM, Adam R. B. Jack wrote: -1: Repo is an American colloquialism that is short for "Repossession", which is not something you want in a distribution tool. You need to find a neutral name. Ok, let's put the name as a "to be determined". "Geronimo" might be free

Re: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project

2003-11-30 Thread Jochen Wiedmann
Rich Bowen wrote: The fact of the matter is that, in the USA, any mention of any minority (aka non-white) historical figure or group of people, by persons not in that group, is guaranteed to cause someone to be offended. I must admit that it is totally beyond my understanding how one can waste so

RE: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project

2003-11-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > I must admit that it is totally beyond my understanding how one > can waste so much thoughts on the *possibility* of offending > someone with something Welcome to the wonderful world of Political Correctness. There are plenty of cases of political correctness that are the

Re: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project

2003-11-30 Thread Sally Khudairi
Thanks for the heads up, Fitz, and for the opportunity to voice our opinions, Aaron. IMO, I'd love to: [X ]- Let them keep "Geronimo" as the official name. ...as it's already garnered significant press and public attention already under this name. Let's keep our brands consistent. Cheers, Sal

Re: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project

2003-11-30 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 05:04:52PM +0100, Jochen Wiedmann wrote: > > Rich Bowen wrote: > > >The fact of the matter is that, in the USA, any mention of any minority > >(aka non-white) historical figure or group of people, by persons not in > >that group, is guaranteed to cause someone to be offend

Re: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project

2003-11-30 Thread Leo Simons
Noel J. Bergman wrote: It should be left up to the project unless Geronimo is truly deemed inappropriate. The developers may wish to avoid the whole issue by renaming the codebase to something else but not be forced out of the name because it's perceived to be controversial by some. Unle

Re: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project

2003-11-30 Thread Leo Simons
Aaron Bannert wrote: [ -0 ] - Let them keep "Geronimo" as the official name. [ -0 ] - Punt the decision to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ -1 ] - Disallow "Geronimo" but allow the committers to come up with any other name they want (barring anything inappropriate). I don't like multiple-choice votes

Re: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project

2003-11-30 Thread Aaron Bannert
On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 08:53:55PM +0100, Leo Simons wrote: > Aaron Bannert wrote: > > > [ -0 ] - Let them keep "Geronimo" as the official name. > > [ -0 ] - Punt the decision to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [ -1 ] - Disallow "Geronimo" but allow the committers to come up with any > > other name th

Re: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project

2003-11-30 Thread Roy T. Fielding
The project was initiated on condition that the name would be reconsidered prior to becoming a TLP. I don't really care at this point, except to note that if we do get an objection regarding the name from folks who have a right to object, then the project will have to change its name and everyone

Re: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project

2003-11-30 Thread Leo Simons
Aaron Bannert wrote: On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 08:53:55PM +0100, Leo Simons wrote: Aaron Bannert wrote: [ -0 ] - Let them keep "Geronimo" as the official name. [ -0 ] - Punt the decision to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [ -1 ] - Disallow "Geronimo" but allow the committers to come up with any other nam

Re: [VOTE] Incubate Apache Repo

2003-11-30 Thread Stephen McConnell
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: "Depot" +1 -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] || | Magic by Merlin| | Production by Avalon | || |

Re: [VOTE] Incubate Apache Repo

2003-11-30 Thread Nick Chalko
Stephen McConnell wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: "Depot" +1 +1 I like it. The sense of gathering and movement. with a Industrial feel. Nice. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mai

Re: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project

2003-11-30 Thread Sam Ruby
Leo Simons wrote: And how is this not a community decision? IMV, the community has decided, and making a different decision now would be overruling that decision by the pmc. Which is valid, of course, but I don't have to like it :D +1 Stefano recently used the term bureaucracy to describe aspects

RE: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project

2003-11-30 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> 1) The incubator PMC is acquiring new PMC members, and will > asymptotically aproach the list of all ASF committers who > are involved in any way with any aspect of growth or > regeneration of code bases. In short, it will become the > epitame of an uber umbrella PMC. As you are aware, we are d

RE: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project

2003-11-30 Thread Brian Behlendorf
On Sun, 30 Nov 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Personally, I view Political Correctness as being closer to Orwellian > thought control than a sincere attempt to instill appreciation for, and > tolerance of, diversity. And I think "Political Correctness" is a term invented by the right to pretend th