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Everybody's a comedian, but not everybody is funny.
Zut - I thought it was funny!
Steve.
"Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 26/09/2003 05:48:30 AM:
Please ignore this post. I saw that Nicola Ken was starting to pull up
against my tail and didn't want
Everybody's a comedian, but not everybody is funny.
"Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 26/09/2003 05:48:30 AM:
> Please ignore this post. I saw that Nicola Ken was starting to pull up
> against my tail and didn't want that rat bastard to have contributed
more
> than me statistical
Please ignore this post. I saw that Nicola Ken was starting to pull up
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Please ignore this post. I saw that Nicola Ken was starting to pull up
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Ted Leung wrote:
On 9/22/2003 4:50 PM, Berin Lautenbach wrote:
From: Rodent of Unusual Size
what's the role of the incubator pmc in this? at the least, it's a set
of passionate asf people who are essentially in agreement about what
makes something a genuine 'apache'-style project, who review
On 9/22/2003 4:52 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Ted,
If I were you, I think that I would subscribe myself to the Incubator PMC
mailing list. That way you can see how things are settling in (I would
expect that they could use a bit of time to consolidate all of the
discussion), and if they say that
On 9/22/2003 4:50 PM, Berin Lautenbach wrote:
From: Rodent of Unusual Size
what's the role of the incubator pmc in this? at the least, it's a set
of passionate asf people who are essentially in agreement about what
makes something a genuine 'apache'-style project, who review the
reports o
> From: Rodent of Unusual Size
> > 2) isn't the incubation more an oversight group, a task force, then a
> > project?
>
> you seem to be harking back to 'projects produce code'. i disagree with
> that perspective; 'projects produce goodness for the asf' might be closer.
> in this case, the i
Ted,
If I were you, I think that I would subscribe myself to the Incubator PMC
mailing list. That way you can see how things are settling in (I would
expect that they could use a bit of time to consolidate all of the
discussion), and if they say that they're ready, find out whom is going to
take
On 9/22/2003 1:27 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
+1. I don't think that we need have multiple people fufill all these
roles. If the sponsor/shepherd/mentor is going to be a member of the
incubator PMC (see 1 above), then they ought to be trusted to follow the
incubator guidlines (once they exist).
> > let's make sure we're agreed on terminology here. so far, the terms
> > 'sponsor', 'shepherd', and 'mentor' have been conflated. my view is
> > that the latter two are the same and refer to a single individual, and
> > that a sponsor is either that same person or the asf project that has
> >s
On 9/22/2003 5:39 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
1) how do people get on the incubation PMC? any committer? only
members? members and officials? everybody committer that previously has
a record of helping incubation? just curious of what feelings are.
anoth
On 9/21/2003 10:59 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Ted Leung wrote:
Minimum size is not enough here. There also needs to be a diversity
requirement. For example XMLBeans must have no more than 50% of its
committers from a single organization.
Good exit criteria.
You're right, of course
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Noel, if you don't mind I'll also answer this.
Someone asking my permission to respond to an open comment on a public list
actually makes me a bit uncomfortable. Makes me wonder why anyone they felt
the need to ask. The fact that you are a member of the overseeing PM
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 08:39:20 -0400
(Subject: Re: roles and responsibilities)
Rodent of Unusual Size <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 2) isn't the incubation more an oversight group, a task force, then a
> > project?
> you seem to be harking back to 'projects
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
...
Noel, if you don't mind I'll also answer this.
I agree with the principle (otherwise we get back to complete PMC
incubation independence and things blow up) but there are a few things
worth asking:
1) how do people get on the incubation PMC? any committer? only
me
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
> 1) how do people get on the incubation PMC? any committer? only
> members? members and officials? everybody committer that previously has
> a record of helping incubation? just curious of what feelings are.
another good question. i agree with roy that anyone with
On Monday, Sep 22, 2003, at 04:37 Europe/Rome, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Berin,
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?IncubatorMussings
Had a read. Great stuff :>.
At a quick glance, I see some things to change.
- there has not been stated a minimum community size to start
- it has been e
Ted Leung wrote:
> Minimum size is not enough here. There also needs to be a diversity
> requirement. For example XMLBeans must have no more than 50% of its
> committers from a single organization.
Good exit criteria.
--- Noel
-
On 9/21/2003 7:37 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Berin,
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?IncubatorMussings
Had a read. Great stuff :>.
At a quick glance, I see some things to change.
- there has not been stated a minimum community size to start
Minimum size is not e
> From: "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> In my view, the Sponsoring PMC *should* take an active role. But the
> Incubator PMC is still responsible for making sure that all of criteria are
> met before letting it into the ASF proper. Looking over the document, the
> Sponsoring PMC would b
> Go for it!
Did. Done. But I did not incorporate the other comments relating directly
to Berin's question, so ...
> I'm still thinking about Berin's questions but I think your response
> makes sence - (I'm thinking about actual scenarios and how this may
> pan-out with an eye for the potential
> From: Berin Lautenbach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 6:35 PM
>
> > From: Stephen McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?IncubatorMussings
>
> Steve,
>
> Had a read. Great stuff :>.
>
> One question to all that I have been t
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?IncubatorMussings
Had a read. Great stuff :>.
At a quick glance, I see some things to change.
- there has not been stated a minimum community size to start
The document does state the a candidate *s
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?IncubatorMussings
>>>Had a read. Great stuff :>.
>>At a quick glance, I see some things to change.
>>
>> - there has not been stated a minimum community size to start
>>
> The document does state the a candidate *shall* [have] a community of at
> le
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Berin,
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?IncubatorMussings
Had a read. Great stuff :>.
At a quick glance, I see some things to change.
- there has not been stated a minimum community size to start
The document does state the a candidate *shall
Berin,
> > http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?IncubatorMussings
>
> Had a read. Great stuff :>.
At a quick glance, I see some things to change.
- there has not been stated a minimum community size to start
- it has been explicitly stated that a project does NOT need
to have its e
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> Subject: Re: roles and responsibilities
>
> > From: Stephen McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?IncubatorMussings
>
> Steve,
>
> Had a read. Great stuff :>.
>
> One question to all that I ha
> From: Stephen McConnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?IncubatorMussings
Steve,
Had a read. Great stuff :>.
One question to all that I have been trying to
get clear in my head. What is the break up of
responsibility between the Incubator PMC and the
Spons
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