Re: board comments on incubator

2016-12-22 Thread Wade Chandler
On Dec 22, 2016 3:35 AM, "Pierre Smits" wrote: But, even if that occurs regularly, there are outside forces at play as well. While there is a general consensus within the podling, these outside forces express viewpoints that lead to Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt. This often has more to do with

Re: board comments on incubator

2016-12-22 Thread Pierre Smits
Within each of the podlings there is one question that should be raised regularly (annually, quarterly, monthly, whatever): 'are we mature enough to graduate?'. And this question can be raised by anyone participating (Mentors, PPMC Members, non-privileged contributors). But, even if that occurs re

Re: board comments on incubator

2016-12-21 Thread John D. Ament
+1 to your comments Tim. I'll point out - the statement Ted's made isn't exactly what the board has said. When I look at the older podlings out there: Wave, ODF, Blur, Streams (as the short list), none of them seem to me like they shouldn't graduate. I almost feel like there's a fear of graduati

Re: board comments on incubator

2016-12-21 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:44 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > The board is concerned that we have incubating projects that have been > around for many years. > > What is the sense of the incubator about this issue. Back when I was VP of Incubator I really hoped I could help move a needle on that. However

Re: board comments on incubator

2016-12-21 Thread Tim Williams
On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 6:44 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > The board is concerned that we have incubating projects that have been > around for many years. > > What is the sense of the incubator about this issue. Maybe just tell the board to put away the scalpel? It's not an instrument that suits them

Re: board comments on incubator

2016-12-21 Thread Ted Dunning
Good answer! On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Brian Spector wrote: > Hi Ted, in our case, we got off to an admittedly slow start. However, it > also takes time to adjust to the Apache Way if you have not done it before. > I can tell you that the folks behind Apache Milagro (incubating) are > c

Re: board comments on incubator

2016-12-21 Thread Brian Spector
Hi Ted, in our case, we got off to an admittedly slow start. However, it also takes time to adjust to the Apache Way if you have not done it before. I can tell you that the folks behind Apache Milagro (incubating) are committed and will be redoubling efforts in 2017. On 21 December 2016 at 23:44,