Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-16 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/14/06, Jacopo Cappellato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Robert, the aRAT tool is indeed very helpful. As a side note: would you consider to commit the attached patch? I think it would make life easier to many since the String.contains(...) method is deprecated in recent JDK versions. thanks

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-16 Thread Endre Stølsvik
If you tried to use the release and it is broken, you have a ground for -1 vote, but if you expected a Makefile in the src folder, and it wasn't there (e.g. because the build procedure is a little more involved than that), you probably don't. For what it's probably not worth, I'd like to point

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-15 Thread Leo Simons
On Oct 14, 2006, at 8:12 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: On Oct 13, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Leo Simons wrote: On Oct 12, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Can we agree that regardless of which style one might prefer the packaging, there are multiple valid approaches, and that this level of diff

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-14 Thread Andrus Adamchik
I am with Alan on that - Leo's comment when put in perspective equals to "Incubator should not have any guidelines at all for the new projects, and every vote is decided based on the people's mood at the moment". That's probably not what he meant..? But in any event clear guidelines includi

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-14 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On Oct 13, 2006, at 12:16 PM, Leo Simons wrote: On Oct 12, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Can we agree that regardless of which style one might prefer the packaging, there are multiple valid approaches, and that this level of difference should not be a release criteria for the In

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-14 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
On Oct 13, 2006, at 6:28 AM, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 10/12/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Other than wait for Robert's scanning tool? :-) no need to wait: get the source (http://code.google.com/p/arat/) and run the RAT against the source distribution (i'll improved b

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-14 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Finally I tried both options using the ASL2, nothing happens (seems like a good sign). Not documented so far ... I would say ... Forget it for the moment... Jacques > Jacopo, > > I just realized that in Eclipse 3.2 you can define your "own" licence > (Windows/ Preference) and I think use it wit

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-14 Thread Jacques Le Roux
Jacopo, I just realized that in Eclipse 3.2 you can define your "own" licence (Windows/ Preference) and I think use it with the "Fix Copyrights" and "Advanced Fix Copyrights" options. I tried it before but whitout having defined "my" licence (so I had bad results). Have you tried it even if I gu

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-13 Thread Jacopo Cappellato
Robert, the aRAT tool is indeed very helpful. As a side note: would you consider to commit the attached patch? I think it would make life easier to many since the String.contains(...) method is deprecated in recent JDK versions. Thanks, Jacopo robert burrell donkin wrote: On 10/12/06, Noe

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-13 Thread Leo Simons
On Oct 12, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Can we agree that regardless of which style one might prefer the packaging, there are multiple valid approaches, and that this level of difference should not be a release criteria for the Incubator? ASF release processes work because people

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-13 Thread Jeremy Boynes
On Oct 13, 2006, at 6:28 AM, robert burrell donkin wrote: On 10/12/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Other than wait for Robert's scanning tool? :-) no need to wait: get the source (http://code.google.com/p/arat/) and run the RAT against the source distribution (i'll improved bi

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-13 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/12/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Other than wait for Robert's scanning tool? :-) no need to wait: get the source (http://code.google.com/p/arat/) and run the RAT against the source distribution (i'll improved binary will come later). the output is very unfriendly but wha

Re: Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-13 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 10/12/06, Martijn Dashorst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ...The only requirements ASF should enforce on projects is that they comply with the basic principles of the ASF in a legal and community sense. Anything else should be handled by the community/project itself, including how to compose a re

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Jeremy Boynes
On Oct 12, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Jeremy Boynes wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: The Mentors can and should engage the community on best practices. When the Incubator PMC is presented with a release to approve, we ought to focus on actual requirements, such as: Licensin

RE: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
robert burrell donkin wrote: > the reason i didn't +1 wasn't anything to do with the unpacking but > the fact that there are a lot of files without license headers and > so of dubious original. :-) > > what those actual requirements are should be documented so that the > > projects aren't surpri

RE: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jeremy Boynes wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: > > The Mentors can and should engage the community on best practices. > > When the Incubator PMC is presented with a release to approve, we > > ought to focus on actual requirements, such as: > > Licensing > > Notification > > Signing (if

Re: Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Martijn Dashorst
Endre, I think you are missing the community part of ASF. ASF is not a company, nor a big old business. It is a community with a variety of projects, and as such a variety of packaging demands and wishes. I like the idea of a (pretty) low bar entry to Apache where the only criteria are the ones

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Eelco Hillenius
> Imo ASF has enough written and unwritten rules. Following discussions > on this forum since a few weeks feels like making the transition from > a small young company to a large old one, where procedures and > politics are more prevalent than a more practical 'can do' spirit. It's also often the

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Endre Stølsvik
Eelco Hillenius wrote: On 10/12/06, Endre Stølsvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Endre Stølsvik wrote: > >> My two (probably rather worthless) cents: > > Not at all worthless. What you posted is perfectly valid feedback, and > should be considered by projects. But does

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/12/06, Endre Stølsvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yoav Shapira wrote: > Hi, > > On 10/12/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Can we agree that regardless of which style one might prefer the >> packaging, >> there are multiple valid approaches, and that this level of difference

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/12/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Endre Stølsvik wrote: > My two (probably rather worthless) cents: Not at all worthless. What you posted is perfectly valid feedback, and should be considered by projects. But does it rise to the standard of needing to be enforced? IMO

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 10/12/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Roy T. Fielding wrote: > > robert burrell donkin wrote: > > the source distributions unpacks to the same directory as the binary. > > this is inconvenient for users. it's better to unpack the source to > > incubator-activemq-4.0.2-src. > I

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Eelco Hillenius
On 10/12/06, Endre Stølsvik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: > Endre Stølsvik wrote: > >> My two (probably rather worthless) cents: > > Not at all worthless. What you posted is perfectly valid feedback, and > should be considered by projects. But does it rise to the standard of

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Jeremy Boynes
On Oct 12, 2006, at 8:13 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: The Mentors can and should engage the community on best practices. When the Incubator PMC is presented with a release to approve, we ought to focus on actual requirements, such as: Licensing Notification Signing

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Endre Stølsvik
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Endre Stølsvik wrote: My two (probably rather worthless) cents: Not at all worthless. What you posted is perfectly valid feedback, and should be considered by projects. But does it rise to the standard of needing to be enforced? In my opinion, yes. This is because

RE: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Endre Stølsvik wrote: > My two (probably rather worthless) cents: Not at all worthless. What you posted is perfectly valid feedback, and should be considered by projects. But does it rise to the standard of needing to be enforced? --- Noel ---

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Endre Stølsvik
Yoav Shapira wrote: Hi, On 10/12/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can we agree that regardless of which style one might prefer the packaging, there are multiple valid approaches, and that this level of difference should not be a release criteria for the Incubator? Yes, agreed,

Re: Release Requirements

2006-10-12 Thread Yoav Shapira
Hi, On 10/12/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can we agree that regardless of which style one might prefer the packaging, there are multiple valid approaches, and that this level of difference should not be a release criteria for the Incubator? Yes, agreed, +1. This is a technic