On 1/22/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is also good to try to ensure that discussion has settled down, and that
> there is a consensus before calling for the vote. I generally believe that
> a good ASF vote isn't called to make a decision; it is called to ratify one.
Exactly.
Leo Simons wrote:
> PS: My non-pmc-hat comment would be "boring", but nevermind me :-)
Well... look on it as a validation of the principles of open source that
big business systems like this are getting built as open source - and by
real communities, to boot:-)
And, in reality, there are som
Leo Simons wrote:
On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 10:39:51PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Anyone on the PMC want to comment on this proposal?
It seems as if there is significant interest from ASF Members, a willingness
on the part of the donors to adopt The Apache Way, a number of ASF Members
willin
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Anyone on the PMC want to comment on this proposal?
It seems as if there is significant interest from ASF Members, a willingness
on the part of the donors to adopt The Apache Way, a number of ASF Members
willing to act as Mentors, and no noticeably egregious problems.
A
On Sun, Jan 22, 2006 at 10:39:51PM -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > Anyone on the PMC want to comment on this proposal?
>
> It seems as if there is significant interest from ASF Members, a willingness
> on the part of the donors to adopt The Apache Way, a number of ASF Members
> willing to act as
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>I was actually under the impression [that] the wiki was
>>the place to leave this sort of thing
> During the collaborative phase of the PROPOSAL, the Wiki is used as a common
> edit space. When the VOTE comes up, the final propoal MUST be included in
> the VOTE e-mail, el
> I was actually under the impression [that] the wiki was
> the place to leave this sort of thing
During the collaborative phase of the PROPOSAL, the Wiki is used as a common
edit space. When the VOTE comes up, the final propoal MUST be included in
the VOTE e-mail, else that e-mail will be reject
> Anyone on the PMC want to comment on this proposal?
It seems as if there is significant interest from ASF Members, a willingness
on the part of the donors to adopt The Apache Way, a number of ASF Members
willing to act as Mentors, and no noticeably egregious problems.
Anything else? ;-)
Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
Hi Geir (and all),
my name is Jacopo Cappellato, I'm one of the developers of the OFBiz
project and, as you can imagine, I'm very interested in your feedback
about our request to join the ASF Incubator.
About the proposal posted to the Wiki instead of to this list.
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Can we please have things go to the mail list, as that should be the
'primary institutional memory' of the incubator community.
+1
But let's try to say such things to be educational, not chastising.
Sorry. The wiki made me do it :) I hope
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 02:03:14AM +0100, Erik Abele wrote:
> [changed subject line though I don't intend to have a big discussion
> about this topic]
Grr, I just did exactly the same thing and wrote just about the
same thing. My thread view must be messed up...
In any case, +1 to what he said.
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> Is this becoming the current de-facto process, posting to a wiki? (or
> "@)#!)#@ wiki", as I tend to think of them...)
>
> Can we please have things go to the mail list, as that should be the
> 'primary institutional memory' of the incubator community. Feel free to
> a
On 1/18/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 10:45:49PM +0100, David N. Welton wrote:
> > David N. Welton wrote:
> >
> > > I guess it should be placed on the wiki? I'll do that later today if no
> > > one else beats me to it.
> >
> > Here we go:
> >
> > http:/
On Mon, Jan 16, 2006 at 10:45:49PM +0100, David N. Welton wrote:
> David N. Welton wrote:
>
> > I guess it should be placed on the wiki? I'll do that later today if no
> > one else beats me to it.
>
> Here we go:
>
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OFBizProposal
>
> I changed the proposed spo
Hi Geir (and all),
my name is Jacopo Cappellato, I'm one of the developers of the OFBiz
project and, as you can imagine, I'm very interested in your feedback
about our request to join the ASF Incubator.
About the proposal posted to the Wiki instead of to this list... well if
you go to the fi
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> Can we please have things go to the mail list, as that should be the
> 'primary institutional memory' of the incubator community.
+1
But let's try to say such things to be educational, not chastising.
--- Noel
[changed subject line though I don't intend to have a big discussion
about this topic]
On 18.01.2006, at 00:16, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
Is this becoming the current de-facto process, posting to a wiki?
(or "@)#!)#@ wiki", as I tend to think of them...)
Can we please have things go to the
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> Is this becoming the current de-facto process, posting to a wiki? (or
> "@)#!)#@ wiki", as I tend to think of them...)
>
> Can we please have things go to the mail list, as that should be the
> 'primary institutional memory' of the incubator community. Feel free to
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 07:16, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
> Does anyone else feel this way? Mail archives will live for years in
> distributed places. Wiki's seem to be single-sourced and a lot more
> ephemeral
Yes. As the primary tool of communication for myself and many others, mails
a
Is this becoming the current de-facto process, posting to a wiki? (or
"@)#!)#@ wiki", as I tend to think of them...)
Can we please have things go to the mail list, as that should be the
'primary institutional memory' of the incubator community. Feel free to
also have on a wiki for collaborat
On Fri, Jan 13, 2006 at 09:00:06AM +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Friday 13 January 2006 04:27, David E. Jones wrote:
> > As I understand it in order to become a top level project the Board ?
> > must be the sponsor, which is why the proposal was written that way. ?
>
> That is a misconception.
David N. Welton wrote:
> I guess it should be placed on the wiki? I'll do that later today if no
> one else beats me to it.
Here we go:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OFBizProposal
I changed the proposed sponsor to the Incubator PMC, as that's
apparently the done thing.
Ciao,
--
David N. W
Any other questions or comments on this for now?
I guess it should be placed on the wiki? I'll do that later today if no
one else beats me to it.
Ciao,
--
David N. Welton
- http://www.dedasys.com/davidw/
Linux, Open Source Consulting
- http://www.dedasys.com/
-
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Friday 13 January 2006 04:27, David E. Jones wrote:
>
>>As I understand it in order to become a top level project the Board
>>must be the sponsor, which is why the proposal was written that way.
>
>
> That is a misconception. For projects targetting top-level, EITH
On Jan 12, 2006, at 6:00 PM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Friday 13 January 2006 04:27, David E. Jones wrote:
As I understand it in order to become a top level project the Board
must be the sponsor, which is why the proposal was written that way.
That is a misconception. For projects targetting
On Friday 13 January 2006 04:27, David E. Jones wrote:
> As I understand it in order to become a top level project the Board
> must be the sponsor, which is why the proposal was written that way.
That is a misconception. For projects targetting top-level, EITHER the Board
or the Incubator PMC
Aaron,
Thank you for offering to mentor the project. I am one of the other
group of committers for the Open For Business project and would like to
share my thoughts about "potential competition" with you.
Over the past year, we've seen the growing prominence of several open
source applicati
On Jan 12, 2006, at 1:25 PM, Yoav Shapira wrote:
There IS a conceptual and code-level separation between the OFBiz
framework and components built on top of it, but I think it makes a
nice cohesive project together. It's sort of like if Tomcat and
Struts were under the same umbrella: not necess
On Jan 12, 2006, at 11:57 AM, J Aaron Farr wrote:
This proposal has caught my interest. I'd be willing to help mentor.
That would be great. I've been skimming through the policy emails
that have been on this list for the last few days and it's sounding
like 3 mentors is something that wo
Howdy,
> > The board response was along the lines of "why is this here?", so I
> > guess the Incubator PMC should be the sponsoring entity if there is to
> > be one.
>
> Well there must be a sponsoring entity. OFBiz would be a top level
> project, so that generally leaves either the Board or the
On 1/12/06, David N. Welton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think we should look at whether this project is a good fit for the ASF
> (I think so, or I wouldn't have mentioned the idea to them) rather than
> if we are stepping on someone's toes. Geronimo steps on toes. Harmony
> does to some degre
On 1/12/06, David N. Welton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The proposal says that this project is to be sponsored by the ASF
> > Board. Is that correct? Did the Board already +1 on or are we still
> > searching for a sponsoring entity?
>
> The board response was along the lines of "why is this he
J Aaron Farr wrote:
On 1/10/06, David E. Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
We are all looking forward to your comments and desire to express in
advance appreciation for all that you have done and are doing for the
open source world and the software world in general through your
efforts in the A
J Aaron Farr wrote:
> On 1/10/06, David E. Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>We are all looking forward to your comments and desire to express in
>>advance appreciation for all that you have done and are doing for the
>>open source world and the software world in general through your
>>efforts in
On 1/10/06, David E. Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We are all looking forward to your comments and desire to express in
> advance appreciation for all that you have done and are doing for the
> open source world and the software world in general through your
> efforts in the Apache Software F
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