Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-03-04 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Jordan, Yep, thank you. I will be suggesting at graduation time barring any epiphanies all around that you guys go the TLP route. Good luck. Cheers, Chris On 3/1/13 6:29 AM, "Jordan Zimmerman" wrote: >Chris, > >I added a line to the Alignment section. Let me know if it's OK. > >-JZ > >On

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-03-04 Thread Jordan Zimmerman
The discussion on this seems to have finished. Is now a good time to ask for a vote? -Jordan On Mar 1, 2013, at 4:00 AM, Jordan Zimmerman wrote: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/general@incubator.apache.org/msg38991.html > > > > Jordan Zimmerman ---

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-03-01 Thread Jordan Zimmerman
Chris, I added a line to the Alignment section. Let me know if it's OK. -JZ On Feb 26, 2013, at 1:23 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" wrote: > I would appreciate at some level a note in your proposal regarding at > least the concern by > one member of the IPMC that Curator should grow into its

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Patrick Hunt
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hey Pat, > > > On 2/26/13 11:39 AM, "Patrick Hunt" wrote: > >>[…snip…] >>> >>> Either: (a) define Curator to be its own separate project/community, >>>with >>> a goal of TLP; >>> or (b) nix Incubation and just make these guys part

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Jordan Zimmerman
NOTE: Luciano Resende has been added as a mentor for the Curator Proposal. -Jordan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Luciano Resende
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 1:17 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Luciano, > > On 2/26/13 12:03 PM, "Luciano Resende" wrote: > >>> >> >> >>+1, We don't need to discuss exit criteria before entering incubation. > > Actually we do and I can. Else I'm pretty useless on the IPMC. > > I just went

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Jordan, Thanks. To be clear, I'll be in support of your guys' acceptance into the Apache Incubator. I would appreciate at some level a note in your proposal regarding at least the concern by one member of the IPMC that Curator should grow into its own TLP rather than be a part of ZK should it

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Luciano, On 2/26/13 12:03 PM, "Luciano Resende" wrote: >> > > >+1, We don't need to discuss exit criteria before entering incubation. Actually we do and I can. Else I'm pretty useless on the IPMC. I just went through an experience where my objection/VOTE didn't really mean anything in a sit

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Jordan Zimmerman
> Quoting Incubator docs written by one or two or a small handful of people > in a committee with 100+ members: I'm new to this, so I apologize in advance for oddities in etiquette ;) > So, if your goal is to eventually get into ZK, I just don't think the > Incubator is the right way. It sounds li

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Jordan, On 2/26/13 11:48 AM, "Jordan Zimmerman" wrote: >My viewpoint: I can see benefit to Curator both as a TLP and as part of >ZK. One of my hopes of this process is to get an idea of what the >community wants. Curator has been doing well outside of Apache. But, it's >become clear to me th

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hey Pat, On 2/26/13 11:39 AM, "Patrick Hunt" wrote: >[…snip…] >> >> Either: (a) define Curator to be its own separate project/community, >>with >> a goal of TLP; >> or (b) nix Incubation and just make these guys part of ZK, on a branch >> now. > >Hi Chris. Unfortunately it's not clear cut to me

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Donald Whytock
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 3:36 PM, Jordan Zimmerman wrote: > It will be an official transfer. Apache will get all the code and the name > Curator. > > -JZ > > On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Jordan Zimmerman >> wrote: >>> == Source and Int

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Jordan Zimmerman
It will be an official transfer. Apache will get all the code and the name Curator. -JZ On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Donald Whytock wrote: > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Jordan Zimmerman > wrote: >> == Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan == >> >> * The initial source is alr

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Donald Whytock
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 8:14 PM, Jordan Zimmerman wrote: > == Source and Intellectual Property Submission Plan == > > * The initial source is already licensed under the Apache License, Version > 2.0. https://github.com/Netflix/curator/blob/master/LICENSE.txt So this is effectively a fork of the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Luciano Resende
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Jordan Zimmerman wrote: > My viewpoint: I can see benefit to Curator both as a TLP and as part of ZK. > One of my hopes of this process is to get an idea of what the community > wants. Curator has been doing well outside of Apache. But, it's become clear > to m

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Jordan Zimmerman
My viewpoint: I can see benefit to Curator both as a TLP and as part of ZK. One of my hopes of this process is to get an idea of what the community wants. Curator has been doing well outside of Apache. But, it's become clear to me that "limited devs - single company" is a hinderance to wider ado

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Patrick Hunt
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Guys, > > Sorry I have to ask the question here. If the mentors consist of PMC > members on ZK > (at least Pat and Mahadev), what's the problem with creating a branch in > ZK and just > having the code be there and getting the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
Hi Guys, Sorry I have to ask the question here. If the mentors consist of PMC members on ZK (at least Pat and Mahadev), what's the problem with creating a branch in ZK and just having the code be there and getting the Curator proposed committers as committers in ZK ville, and hopefully PMC members

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Benson Margulies
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:22 PM, Patrick Hunt wrote: > On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Benson Margulies > wrote: >> If you think that the right destination for curator is as part of ZK, >> then it would be good to see substantive participation of the ZK PMC >> in the incubation. The goal shoul

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Patrick Hunt
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > If you think that the right destination for curator is as part of ZK, > then it would be good to see substantive participation of the ZK PMC > in the incubation. The goal should be to 'graduate' by having the > curator community be granted

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Benson Margulies
If you think that the right destination for curator is as part of ZK, then it would be good to see substantive participation of the ZK PMC in the incubation. The goal should be to 'graduate' by having the curator community be granted karma at ZK and the code folded in. This would require, I think,

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Henry Saputra
Ah no, I was not suggesting about Curator to become subproject of ZK. I just afraid that if Curator is going as incubator it will end up as sub of ZK as merging process. Like Greg has mentioned in another reply, I would prefer Curator to be merged as a higher level ZK client. Surely project like H

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-26 Thread Eric Charles
Hi, Inputs from a current Curator user: I followed one year ago the public thread Patrick mentionned and was surprised to see the lack of interest for an higher level Zk client. If this discussion happened now, maybe the interest would be different, but still, I think Curator should be hosted

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-25 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 2:23 AM, Patrick Hunt wrote: > On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Henry Saputra > wrote: >> So isnt this similar to HCatalog which relying on Hive metadata service >> that ends up as sub project of Apache Hive? >> > > I was against having Curator as a sub when it came up o

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-25 Thread Patrick Hunt
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:01 PM, Henry Saputra wrote: > So isnt this similar to HCatalog which relying on Hive metadata service > that ends up as sub project of Apache Hive? > I was against having Curator as a sub when it came up on the original discussion thread, I still am. Patrick > > > On

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-25 Thread Henry Saputra
So isnt this similar to HCatalog which relying on Hive metadata service that ends up as sub project of Apache Hive? If Apache Zookeeper would like to add Curator as the next gen client I think it would be easier and integrated with the rest of ZK community. Just my 2-cents - Henry On Mon, Feb

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-25 Thread Patrick Hunt
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 7:10 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > My concern is that we're looking at two "new" committers, rather than > a Curator community. Following normal Incubator work, Curator would > build a community for itself. But then we'd have a community > *distinct* from that of Zookeeper. And i

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-25 Thread Greg Stein
My concern is that we're looking at two "new" committers, rather than a Curator community. Following normal Incubator work, Curator would build a community for itself. But then we'd have a community *distinct* from that of Zookeeper. And it really looks like this should be part of Zookeeper itself

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-25 Thread Andrei Savu
+1 (non binding) I've used Curator in the past and I'm happy to see this project joining the foundation. -- Andrei Savu On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 1:14 AM, Jordan Zimmerman < jor...@jordanzimmerman.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to propose that Curator to be an Apache Incubator project. > >

Re: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator

2013-02-25 Thread Andrew Purtell
+1 (non binding) Apache ZooKeeper is critical for Apace HBase. There was some interest in using Curator for managing those interactions going forward, for reasons as described in this proposal, but also concern about its status wrt. community. A successful incubation will put those concerns to res