thorsten wrote:
> Thanks Ted for doing that.
>
> This kind of document I had in mine. You have been smarter then me.
Thanks to everyone for re-starting this again.
We need to distill the wealth of knowledge
to provide guidelines.
Thorsten, because you were brave enough to raise
such thorny issues
I gave a 45-minute presentation on Apache and the Incubator at
the O'Reilly Open Source Convention last July. If it's any use,
you can download the slides at:
http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2004/view/e_sess/5439
(.ppt format -- if there's any interest I can convert to html
or .pdf).
Thanks Ted for doing that.
This kind of document I had in mine. You have been smarter then me.
I want to help as well!!!
spot
thorsten
Ted Husted wrote:
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:28:56 -0400, J Aaron Farr wrote:
Where are you working on this? I'd love to help.
jaaron
We should probably work on it in
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:28:56 -0400, J Aaron Farr wrote:
> Where are you working on this? I'd love to help.
>
> jaaron
We should probably work on it in the Incubator repository. Perhaps as a standalone
whiteboard document first, and then as the Projects page, when it's ready for prime
time.
If
thorsten wrote:
> I thought we could make rules against thus abuse in the future
> without reviewing the past.
I understand your concern, but we don't need to program communities. We
need human judgment. We need to ask people to step up, be responsible, and
do the right thing. The difference o
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> there is very little in OSS that needs the secrecy
Most people would certainly agree on that issue. Roy makes a habit of
poking at people for having threads on a PMC list that should be on a public
one.
> Other people in ASF is obviously of a different opinion, as my
> b
Ted Husted wrote:
Part of what it means to be an Apache is that it's not about "rules", it's about consensus. As far as rules do go, I think the closest we may ever get is:
* http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html
As I'm going through the mentoring process myself, I'm working on expan
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:01:17 -0700, Robin Antony wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have been following this thread with quite some interest. IMO
> there should be a set of rules to let the novice commiters know
> when a ASF veteran who is guiding the team is really crossing the
> line. There should be a do and
On 18.10.2004, at 13:34, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
On Monday 18 October 2004 19:05, Santiago Gala wrote:
El lun, 18-10-2004 a las 11:08 +0200, Stephen McConnell escribió:
Seems to me that he's talking about a very real dark-side of the
ASF.
Facts? I would like to see something substantial.
Same here.
On Monday 18 October 2004 19:05, Santiago Gala wrote:
> El lun, 18-10-2004 a las 11:08 +0200, Stephen McConnell escribió:
> > Seems to me that he's talking about a very real dark-side of the
> > ASF.
>
> Facts? I would like to see something substantial.
Perhaps this is "culture", I don't know. B
El lun, 18-10-2004 a las 11:08 +0200, Stephen McConnell escribiÃ:
>
> FUD?
>
Fear Uncertainty and Doubt. What he started to sew, maybe unwillingly
and you're trying to scrap benefits from now.
> Seems to me that he's talking about a very real dark-side of the
> ASF.
>
Facts? I would like to
Robin Antony wrote:
I have been following this thread with quite some interest. IMO there
should be a set of rules to let the novice commiters know when a ASF
veteran who is guiding the team is really crossing the line. There
should be a do and don't about what ASF members are supossed to do and
On 19 Oct 2004, at 02:01, Robin Antony wrote:
I have been following this thread with quite some interest. IMO there
should be a set of rules to let the novice commiters know when a ASF
veteran who is guiding the team is really crossing the line. There
should be a do and don't about what ASF memb
> -Original Message-
> From: Steven Noels [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 18 October 2004 10:43
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [OT] How to prevent abusing Apache priviliges
>
> On 18 Oct 2004, at 02:19, thorsten wrote:
>
> > Steven Noels w
Hi all,
I have been following this thread with quite some interest. IMO there
should be a set of rules to let the novice commiters know when a ASF
veteran who is guiding the team is really crossing the line. There
should be a do and don't about what ASF members are supossed to do and
not suposs
On 18 Oct 2004, at 02:19, thorsten wrote:
Steven Noels wrote:
Nope. What Thorsten describes looks pretty bad IMO, so I want to know
what is going on. Otherwise, this shouldn't have been posted at all.
No need to keep the dust under the carpet. And if Thorsten doesn't
want to go public with it -
> >
> > I will not vote on policy which makes no sense or is based on unproven
> > facts from the past.
>
> I really do not see your point that this policy do not make sense!
>
> I started this abstract thread to prevent that things from happening *in
> the future*.
Rules don't prevent anythi
On Mon, 2004-10-18 at 03:56, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> thorsten wrote:
>
> > The aim of this thread is to set up a set of rules to prevent such thing
> > happening.
>
> Now, let me get this straight: do you *really* expect us to create
> "RULES" to avoid any possible thing that anybody consider
thorsten wrote:
The aim of this thread is to set up a set of rules to prevent such thing
happening.
Now, let me get this straight: do you *really* expect us to create
"RULES" to avoid any possible thing that anybody considers shady?
I strongly hope you are kidding.
--
Stefano.
smime.p7s
Descrip
thorsten wrote:
>
> I just wanted to make sure that abusing of priviliges will be *in the
> future* impossible to make sure new projects have a fair chance to develop!
>
> I did not want make noise! I just though it is a good idea to establish
> a set of rules against abuse of priviliges in the
Steven Noels wrote:
Nope. What Thorsten describes looks pretty bad IMO, so I want to know
what is going on. Otherwise, this shouldn't have been posted at all. No
need to keep the dust under the carpet. And if Thorsten doesn't want to
go public with it - he should post on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Talkin
On 17 Oct 2004, at 16:10, Rolf Kulemann wrote:
I like very much more the approach to send private mail to the source,
too, because maybe the first (or following related) private mails were
misunderstood and talking about that freely would make unnecessary
noise
and would invlove people, which aga
On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 15:14, Steven Noels wrote:
> Speak freely
> and your voice will be heard. We're all here to learn.
That is maybe why the thread was started, dunno, and I really already
learned from it, since I'm not very ASF experienced, yet. If Thorsten
would have known better, he wouldn't
On 17 Oct 2004, at 02:31, thorsten wrote:
Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
thorsten wrote:
Ok, I am not a native speaker but
...what if incubating mentors would abuse...
is a subjunctive! I did *not* say that they did or do!
Lets just asume that is just blue-skying!!!
If any Apache committer abuses his shell
On Sun, 2004-10-17 at 02:05, Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
> thorsten wrote:
>
> > Ok, I am not a native speaker but
> > ...what if incubating mentors would abuse...
> > is a subjunctive! I did *not* say that they did or do!
> >
> > Lets just asume that is just blue-skying!!!
>
> If any Apache committe
Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
thorsten wrote:
Ok, I am not a native speaker but
...what if incubating mentors would abuse...
is a subjunctive! I did *not* say that they did or do!
Lets just asume that is just blue-skying!!!
If any Apache committer abuses his shell account, he could well ...
Sorry, but if
thorsten wrote:
Ok, I am not a native speaker but
...what if incubating mentors would abuse...
is a subjunctive! I did *not* say that they did or do!
Lets just asume that is just blue-skying!!!
If any Apache committer abuses his shell account, he could well ...
Sorry, but if we start to discuss suc
Steven Noels wrote:
On 15 Oct 2004, at 02:11, thorsten wrote:
what if incubating mentors would abuse their powers to interfer with the
normal evolution of Apache incubation projects.
Hm. That's quite some statement to make. Any fact to back that up?
Ok, I am not a native speaker but
...what if inc
On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 17:51, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, thorsten wrote:
>
> > what if incubating mentors would abuse their powers to interfer with the
> > normal evolution of Apache incubation projects.
>
> Please report any such issue to the PMC of the incubator; or in p
On Sat, 2004-10-16 at 04:53, Roy T.Fielding wrote:
> > A few weeks ago, many people encouraged Niclas Hedhman not to bring
> > private matters into the public here. Now, some people want this
> > issue brought into public, whereas others say it should be handled
> > only with the Incubator PMC,
On 15 Oct 2004, at 02:11, thorsten wrote:
what if incubating mentors would abuse their powers to interfer with
the
normal evolution of Apache incubation projects.
Hm. That's quite some statement to make. Any fact to back that up?
Of course, this could and should not happen - ever. But seriously: h
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004, thorsten wrote:
> what if incubating mentors would abuse their powers to interfer with the
> normal evolution of Apache incubation projects.
Please report any such issue to the PMC of the incubator; or in private to
any pmc member. If there are any trust issues with the PMC
Do you have a concrete case for this or is this just blue-skying?
Regards
Henning
On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 02:11, thorsten wrote:
> Hello lists,
>
> what if incubating mentors would abuse their powers to interfer with the
> normal evolution of Apache incubation projects.
>
Never cross-post to community.
what if incubating mentors would abuse their powers to interfer with
the
normal evolution of Apache incubation projects.
What is "normal evolution"? For that matter, what are the mentor powers
that you are speaking of here? Mentoring is a burden, not a power.
I thi
> what if incubating mentors would abuse their powers to interfer
> with the normal evolution of Apache incubation projects.
If such a thing were to happen, the Incubator PMC would address it.
--- Noel
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