On Tue, Feb 25, 2003 at 12:01:01AM +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
> proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
>
> This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives.
> I'm CCing the i
On 24/2/03 23:42, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Pier Fumagalli wrote, On 25/02/2003 0.18:
>> On 24/2/03 23:01, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
>>> proposed project named Lenya (ex wy
On 24/2/03 23:01, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
> proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
>
> This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon PMC lives.
> I'm CCing the inc
Giacomo Pati wrote:
+1
Giacomo
Giacomo,
thanks for taking the time to edit your email to avoid wasting bandwidth.
I'm a pain, I know. Imagine how I much more I would be if I were the one
paying for the bandwidth :)
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Stefano Mazzocchi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Plura
I'm CCing the incubator list just to notify that we're starting this
> vote. When finished, I'll post there the results.
>
> Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
>
> Here's mine: +1
>
>
> Original Message
> Subject: Prop
Steven Noels wrote, On 25/02/2003 14.08:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Steven Noels wrote, On 25/02/2003 10.28:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
As stated before, I'm sponsoring the proposal, so here's my +1.
OTOH, who or what will trigger/endorse the transition from incubation
to proper subproject? Coco
Michael Wechner wrote:
And certainly any help is very welcome, especially on architecture, as
long as it doesn't kill us ;-)
We _don't_ want to kill the Lenya community. One of my criteria for
leaving incubation and becoming a proper Cocoon subproject however would
be a thriving community. This
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Steven Noels wrote, On 25/02/2003 10.28:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
As stated before, I'm sponsoring the proposal, so here's my +1.
OTOH, who or what will trigger/endorse the transition from incubation
to proper subproject? Cocoon PMC or Incubation PMC?
Incubation PM
Steven Noels wrote, On 25/02/2003 10.28:
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
As stated before, I'm sponsoring the proposal, so here's my +1.
OTOH, who or what will trigger/endorse the transition from incubation to
proper subproject? Cocoon PMC or Incubation PMC?
Incubation PMC.
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Nicola Ken Barozzi
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
As stated before, I'm sponsoring the proposal, so here's my +1.
OTOH, who or what will trigger/endorse the transition from incubation to
proper subproject? Cocoon PMC or Incubation PMC?
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Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/
Outerthought -
Pier Fumagalli wrote, On 25/02/2003 0.18:
On 24/2/03 23:01, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'm asking the Cocoon PMC to vote for the inclusion of the below
proposed project named Lenya (ex wyona.org) as a Cocoon subproject.
This vote will take place on cocoon-dev where the Cocoon
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote, On 24/02/2003 22.16:
...
what is the next step for us, besides soliciting more comments on the
proposal?
i guess at some point there will be a vote in the cocoon pmc?
If the project wants to be a subproject of the cocoon.apache.org
project it
finished, I'll post there the results.
Cocoon PMC members, please state your votes.
Here's mine: +1
Original Message --------
Subject: Proposal for Lenya
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:01:16 +0100
From: Michael Wechner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [
> From my experience, I would encourage you to start as a Cocoon
> subproject, and ask to be a Top Level Project later. This will make it
> easier and faster to get started and ease the burden of the incubation :-)
+1
it is a bit early for us to have top-level ambitions if i may say
so :)
we wo
Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote, On 24/02/2003 22.16:
...
what is the next step for us, besides soliciting more comments on the
proposal?
i guess at some point there will be a vote in the cocoon pmc?
If the project wants to be a subproject of the cocoon.apache.org project
it can just get a vote over ther
> > Just a few thoughts: I spent this morning browsing the Lenya code from
> > CVS and so far I have mixed feelings about the project. Basically I'm
> > unable to see an "architecture" in the whole codebase, it seems to me
> > more a set of Cocoon components glued together around specific project
>
Gianugo Rabellino wrote:
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Anybody else with comments, either positive or negative?
Just a few thoughts: I spent this morning browsing the Lenya code from
CVS and so far I have mixed feelings about the project. Basically I'm
unable to see an "architecture" in the whole cod
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Anybody else with comments, either positive or negative?
Just a few thoughts: I spent this morning browsing the Lenya code from
CVS and so far I have mixed feelings about the project. Basically I'm
unable to see an "architecture" in the whole codebase, it seems to me
more
Hello Steven,
* reviewing the archived commit messages, I wonder whether the proposed
list of initial committers reflects reality, or that the list has been
expanded so that we won't have the suspicion it is mainly one
company/group working on the codebase (as is the case with
xreporter.cocoon
Gregor J. Rothfuss wrote:
i think forrest may turn out to be a wonderful "immediate value"
publication for lenya. we have been looking at ways to lower
the entry barriers into lenya, and having a well-supported
publication that works out of the box would be very sweet.
Hm. This is the kind of dicu
"Jeff Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> FWIW, here's my +1 for Incubatorship. I see Lenya as tackling all the
> problems that Forrest would eventually encounter, if we ignored the
> blatant scope creep. It would be very cool if Lenya and Forrest were
> eventual
"Jeff Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> FWIW, here's my +1 for Incubatorship. I see Lenya as tackling all the
> problems that Forrest would eventually encounter, if we ignored the
> blatant scope creep. It would be very cool if Lenya and Forrest were
> eventual
"Steven Noels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote ...
> I hope some of my points are not considered FUD but genuine concerns. I
> didn't happen to extensively comment on the other proposals going
> through incubation lately, since they weren't in the domain I'm working
> in, or have a particular interest in
Andreas Kuckartz wrote:
Sure thing. Since Lenya does publishing too, what is the future of
Forrest in your scenario?
To be honest, I am not very familiar with Forrest yet.
But from out of the belly I would characterize Forrest as a specific
publication type,
with an information architecture
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Paul Hammant wrote, On 21/02/2003 8.16:
Michael, Folks,
Dear Incubator List [...]
My take (not being on the incubator PMC) is that I'd like to see the
code. I want to see how componentized it is - I might like to use
some of the comps outside of Lenya or outside of
Steven Noels wrote:
Andreas Kuckartz wrote:
You seem to be concerned that the software is *used* in productive
environments.
Do software developers who want to change the code have to take that into
account? Yes, certainly they should do that.
Is that an argument against the adoption of the softw
Steven Noels wrote:
Well, I can't be sure either. This is why we are going thru
incubation: it should be a period to estimate *IF* this codebase with
these people is the right seed for a potential healthy community.
If now, well, at least we tried.
Yeah. Since Incubation in itself is pretty new
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
[extensive snipage]
Steven Noels wrote:
You know how I run communities and what are the things I value. Michael,
who is the technical leader, resonates with my vision a lot and has been
playing very nicely with Cocoon.
Please, I don't see why you need to defend Michae
Paul Hammant wrote, On 21/02/2003 8.16:
Michael, Folks,
Dear Incubator List [...]
My take (not being on the incubator PMC) is that I'd like to see the
code. I want to see how componentized it is - I might like to use some
of the comps outside of Lenya or outside of Cocoon itself - I'm always
Steven Noels wrote:
My main concern is the fact that Lenya does not come only with a
community, but also with a code base. That code base is in use already
at a selected number of commercial installations (which is good, of
course). I hope to be proven wrong, yet I fear the existing codebase is
Andreas Kuckartz wrote:
You seem to be concerned that the software is *used* in productive
environments.
Do software developers who want to change the code have to take that into
account? Yes, certainly they should do that.
Is that an argument against the adoption of the software? No, quite the
op
> My main concern is the fact that Lenya does not come only with a
> community, but also with a code base. That code base is in use already
> at a selected number of commercial installations (which is good, of
> course). I hope to be proven wrong, yet I fear the existing codebase is
> intimately li
Michael, Folks,
Dear Incubator List [...]
My take (not being on the incubator PMC) is that I'd like to see the
code. I want to see how componentized it is - I might like to use some
of the comps outside of Lenya or outside of Cocoon itself - I'm always
excited by products that have internal
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 04:01:16PM +0100, Michael Wechner wrote:
> Dear Incubator List
>
> Here's our proposal for _Lenya_ (plz see below), a Content Management
> System based on Cocoon.
FWIW, here's my +1 for Incubatorship. I see Lenya as tackling all the
problems that Forrest would eventually
Steven Noels wrote:
Michael Wechner wrote:
Dear Incubator List
Here's our proposal for _Lenya_ (plz see below), a Content Management
System based on Cocoon. The proposal can also be viewed as HTML at:
[cc'ed to cocoon-dev where Cocoon PMC lives, which will ultimatelly
decide whether Lenya can
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Steven Noels wrote:
I agree with your general assumption that a content management system is
pure marketing bullshit since there is no one size that fits all.
That's more or less what I'm saying, yes.
In fact, in my personal view, Lenya is an effort to build a community
Matt Sergeant wrote:
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Steven Noels wrote:
* A sh*tload of (even Cocoon-based) (half-baked) CMS solutions exist
already, which might or might not be willing to join ASF in the future.
What will happen if Lenya (nice name BTW) comes and claims that area?
Will it be the reference
Steven Noels wrote:
Michael Wechner wrote:
Dear Incubator List
Here's our proposal for _Lenya_ (plz see below), a Content Management
System based on Cocoon. The proposal can also be viewed as HTML at:
[cc'ed to cocoon-dev where Cocoon PMC lives, which will ultimatelly
decide whether Lenya can
Steven Noels wrote, On 20/02/2003 13.36:
Michael Wechner wrote:
Dear Incubator List
Here's our proposal for _Lenya_ (plz see below), a Content Management
System based on Cocoon. The proposal can also be viewed as HTML at:
[cc'ed to cocoon-dev where Cocoon PMC lives, which will ultimatelly
Michael Wechner wrote:
Dear Incubator List
Here's our proposal for _Lenya_ (plz see below), a Content Management
System based on Cocoon. The proposal can also be viewed as HTML at:
[cc'ed to cocoon-dev where Cocoon PMC lives, which will ultimatelly
decide whether Lenya can become a Cocoon sub-p
a.org/roadmap.html
Thanks
Michael
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Proposal for Lenya, A Cocoon Subproject (via Incubator)
Date:
14 February 2003
Authors:
Gregor J. Rothfuss
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Michael H. Wechner
([EMAIL PROT
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