On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Roman Shaposhnik
> wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
>> wrote:
>>> We don't need consensus from the board. We need data to allow the board to
>>> evaluate properl
t;
Sent: 2/24/2015 3:31 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment
Stop talking about Incubator changes. You begin with pTLP, but devolve into
other proposals about changes to the Incubator.
Niclas resta
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 2:12 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>...
> Sam --> Think there is no need for a new concept, and have no problem with
> incoming projects backed by ASF veterans to bypass the Incubator.
>
I believe Sam gave this based on a singular, concrete proposal. He would
likely respond d
with that. And if
> someone does claim this then the two things are not orthogonal.
>
> Ross
>
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> From: Greg Stein<mailto:gst...@gmail.com>
> Sent: 2/24/2015 12:32 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org<
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From: Greg Stein<mailto:gst...@gmail.com>
Sent: 2/24/2015 12:32 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment
"if we accept" ... take a position, Ross.
The two problems *are* ort
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hi Niclas,
>
> I'm in favor of the overall pTLP process. I don't
> agree with others that it hasn't been well specified yet. I
>
There is (yet) a singular page that defines the process. Roman has b
one.
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
>
> From: Roman Shaposhnik<mailto:ro...@shaposhnik.org>
> Sent: 2/23/2015 4:49 PM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment
>
d one.
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From: Roman Shaposhnik<mailto:ro...@shaposhnik.org>
Sent: 2/23/2015 4:49 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment
On Mon, Feb 23
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
wrote:
> It's not unfair. I deliberately tried to say i don't want to distract from
> the handover process.
I though we all agreed that whatever pTLP is -- it is absolutely 100%
orthogonal to
the process that Incubator is in business o
: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Subject: Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment
>I would like to pick this thread up again...
>
>IIUIC (sorry in advance if I grossly misrepresent opinion), the various
>views that exists can be attributed to the following Board members;
>
Board@ discussions
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Subject: Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment
On
/23/2015 3:52 PM
To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
wrote:
> We don't need consensus from the board. We need data to allow the board to
> eva
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
> wrote:
>> We don't need consensus from the board. We need data to allow the board to
>> evaluate properly.
>
> That's fair, but what *exactly* do you need?..
As far as I'm c
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
wrote:
> The board have asked for the IPMC to make recommendations.
Is the precise nature of what being asked recorded anywhere?
Thanks,
Roman.
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On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
wrote:
> We don't need consensus from the board. We need data to allow the board to
> evaluate properly.
That's fair, but what *exactly* do you need?
> The IPMC is tasked with providing recommendations. Personally I'm waiting for
> t
actical next steps for pTLP experiment
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:12 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> I would like to pick this thread up again...
Thanks! I apologize for being completely unavailable for the past 10 days
or so -- the amount of stuff happening @$WORK was way too overwhelming.
As a
Sent: 2/23/2015 12:14 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment
I would like to pick this thread up again...
IIUIC (sorry in advance if I grossly misrepresent opinion), the various
views that exists can be
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:12 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> I would like to pick this thread up again...
Thanks! I apologize for being completely unavailable for the past 10 days
or so -- the amount of stuff happening @$WORK was way too overwhelming.
As a matter of fact, my biggest surprise was th
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 12:12 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> ...At least superficially, it seems that there is no consensus at the Board
> level at this point in time. It is difficult to gauge whether a consensus
> in favor can be reached, or that this idea should be dropped...
To clarify my po
I would like to pick this thread up again...
IIUIC (sorry in advance if I grossly misrepresent opinion), the various
views that exists can be attributed to the following Board members;
Greg, Chris --> Would like to have "Provisional" badge, which entails
disclaimers to alert users.
Sam --> Think
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> >
> > Who ever said the Incubator has the exclusive Right to be the only way to
> > become part of the Apache Software Foundation? New approaches can be
> > discussed anywhere. At the end of t
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 1:07 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> Roman,
> Under the JIRA section, I made a mistake earlier;
>
> https://ops4j1.jira.com/browse/ZEST
>
> should be
>
> https://ops4j1.jira.com/browse/QI
Fixed! As a side note: I really need to figure out how to make
sure this is a r
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 3:35 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
> Who ever said the Incubator has the exclusive Right to be the only way to
> become part of the Apache Software Foundation? New approaches can be
> discussed anywhere. At the end of the day, it will be the Board who votes
> on a pTLP resolution
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:38 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I missed a few important points in this thread last week, with which I
> disagree:
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> > ...1) Draft a template resolution. Starting in the wiki is fine, but
> you'll
> > wan
Roman,
Under the JIRA section, I made a mistake earlier;
https://ops4j1.jira.com/browse/ZEST
should be
https://ops4j1.jira.com/browse/QI
Niclas
On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 2:48 PM, Roman Shaposhnik
wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:47 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > O
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 4:47 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Benson Margulies
> wrote:
>> ...2: 'let's go over to comdev and volunteer to build some documentation
>> for an alternative launch mechanism'. This experiments with expanding
>> comdev in the dir
Hi,
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> ...2: 'let's go over to comdev and volunteer to build some documentation
> for an alternative launch mechanism'. This experiments with expanding
> comdev in the direction
> The momentary impulse is (2). You might find it tolerable
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 5:38 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I missed a few important points in this thread last week, with which I
> disagree:
>
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>> ...1) Draft a template resolution. Starting in the wiki is fine, but you'll
>> want to
Hi,
I missed a few important points in this thread last week, with which I disagree:
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 7:28 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> ...1) Draft a template resolution. Starting in the wiki is fine, but you'll
> want to involve board@ when you have your first draft done
IMO board member
ComDev docs are in the CMS. All committers have write access. PMC members have
publish access.
Ross
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From: Greg Stein [mailto:gst...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 10:56 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Practical next steps for pTLP
++
-Original Message-
From: Greg Stein
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 at 10:28 AM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Subject: Re: Practical next steps for pTLP experiment
>There are a few things that I would suggest
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Roman Shaposhnik
wrote:
>...
> Totally agreed! Who can help me learning the ropes on how ComDev
> documentation is maintained, etc?
>
Maybe ask on dev@community rather than general@ ?? :-P
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Benson Margulies
wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>> There are a few things that I would suggest for "next steps":
>>
>> 1) Draft a template resolution. Starting in the wiki is fine, but you'll
>> want to involve board@ when you have yo
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 1:28 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> There are a few things that I would suggest for "next steps":
>
> 1) Draft a template resolution. Starting in the wiki is fine, but you'll
> want to involve board@ when you have your first draft done. This will also
> start the discussion among
There are a few things that I would suggest for "next steps":
1) Draft a template resolution. Starting in the wiki is fine, but you'll
want to involve board@ when you have your first draft done. This will also
start the discussion among the Directors (recall: the Board hasn't even
agreed to try th
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>> ...as I mentioned in a different thread, I feel really
>> passionate about championing the pTLP experiment
>
> So that I can decide to agree or flame (*), do you have a de
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> ...as I mentioned in a different thread, I feel really
> passionate about championing the pTLP experiment
So that I can decide to agree or flame (*), do you have a definition
of "the pTLP experiment" with a permanent URL (wiki page or
Hi!
as I mentioned in a different thread, I feel really
passionate about championing the pTLP experiment.
To that end, here's what's going to happen shortly:
#1 a couple of new projects that feel equally enthusiastic
about trying a pTLP route (and have a level of support
from a few
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