Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-24 Thread Greg Stein
On 10/24/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Greg Stein wrote: > The Incubator is about verification, not participation. I think Geir > is wrong in trying to lever IPMC members into more project > involvement. We are here as volunteers to oversee the process, not > participate in th

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-24 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Greg Stein wrote: The Incubator is about verification, not participation. I think Geir is wrong in trying to lever IPMC members into more project involvement. We are here as volunteers to oversee the process, not participate in the projects. I think this is a topic for honest disagreement,

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-24 Thread Mads Toftum
On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 01:30:35AM -0700, Greg Stein wrote: > Mads: Stop being such a pain in the butt. If you disagree, then do it > nicely. Practically every email from you is ranty and obnoxious. Ease > up. > Sure, hint taken. I do strongly disagree with a number of the projects that is current

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-23 Thread Greg Stein
On 10/21/06, Mads Toftum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 11:13:44AM -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > Clearly having every IPMC member on ever dev list for the life of the > project doesn't scale, but I do think we need to rethink the model to > get better IPMC engagement in p

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-23 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > the Incubator PMC shouldn't be forced to play hunt the wumpus ...Oops! Bumped a Wumpus! Tim Ellison wrote: > On 20/10/06, Greg Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Look. You guys are freakin' nuts. > > :-) that is a pre-req' for tackling something like harmony. ROFL t

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-23 Thread Greg Stein
On 10/21/06, Justin Erenkrantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 10/20/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm not trying hold a vote "elsewhere" - this can only happen if there > is a binding vote by the Incubator - it just means you vote "over there" > rather than "over here". Um,

RE: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-23 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: > The only votes that are binding from the Incubator PMC are > those conducted on general@ or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Justification / basis? It seems clear that Sam disagrees with you. > the Incubator PMC shouldn't be forced to play hunt the wumpus The vote was announced her

RE: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-23 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Sam Ruby wrote: > How hard is it to know that to grep for the vote for > podling "foo" on "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"? > I'd love for this vote to set the precedent for future votes. > Accomplishes a number of things simultaneously, and naturally. Amongst > them, by exposing more people to incubation,

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-21 Thread Mads Toftum
On Sat, Oct 21, 2006 at 11:13:44AM -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > Clearly having every IPMC member on ever dev list for the life of the > project doesn't scale, but I do think we need to rethink the model to > get better IPMC engagement in podlings in a scalable way. Honestly, Simple solut

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Justin Erenkrantz wrote: On 10/20/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not trying hold a vote "elsewhere" - this can only happen if there is a binding vote by the Incubator - it just means you vote "over there" rather than "over here". Um, no. The only votes that are bindi

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-21 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 10/20/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not trying hold a vote "elsewhere" - this can only happen if there is a binding vote by the Incubator - it just means you vote "over there" rather than "over here". Um, no. The only votes that are binding from the Incubator PMC ar

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Mads Toftum wrote: On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 06:34:02PM -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Just so no one misunderstands this - the only way a podling can graduate is if it has enough IPMC votes. The model in mind was that there are IPMC members engaged with the community, so that it's their vot

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-21 Thread Mads Toftum
On Fri, Oct 20, 2006 at 06:34:02PM -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > Just so no one misunderstands this - the only way a podling can graduate > is if it has enough IPMC votes. The model in mind was that there are > IPMC members engaged with the community, so that it's their votes that > make i

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-21 Thread Sam Ruby
Noel J. Bergman wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: Any official IPMC vote should occur on and be archived at one of its two lists, private@ (for people-stuff) or general@, AFAICT. Personally, I would prefer to have these votes on general@, bu

RE: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Noel J. Bergman wrote: >> William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: >>> Any official IPMC vote should occur on and be archived at one of >>> its two lists, private@ (for people-stuff) or general@, AFAICT. >> Personally, I would prefer to have these votes on general@, but Geir >> e

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-20 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Noel J. Bergman wrote: > William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > >> Any official IPMC vote should occur on and be archived at one of >> its two lists, private@ (for people-stuff) or general@, AFAICT. > > Personally, I would prefer to have these votes on general@, but Geir > expressed his reasons in the ab

RE: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote: > Any official IPMC vote should occur on and be archived at one of > its two lists, private@ (for people-stuff) or general@, AFAICT. Personally, I would prefer to have these votes on general@, but Geir expressed his reasons in the absence of a rule to that effect. An

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Greg Stein wrote: I was happy to give a +1 days ago. But that wasn't put on the table. Ok. I'm going to stick my neck out here, out of my comfort zone. While bringing Harmony out for graduation was never meant to be a vehicle for change, it's clear that there a

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-20 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > > After I send this message, I'm going to send a message on harmony-dev, > asking for a vote on graduation. I'm encouraging both the full harmony > community, and the full incubator community to vote. I'm confused - this is the IPMC vote or the PPMC vote? Any officia

Re: Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-20 Thread Sam Ruby
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Greg Stein wrote: I was happy to give a +1 days ago. But that wasn't put on the table. Ok. I'm going to stick my neck out here, out of my comfort zone. While bringing Harmony out for graduation was never meant to be a vehicle for change, it's clear that there are

Harmony graduation vote on harmony-dev

2006-10-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Greg Stein wrote: I was happy to give a +1 days ago. But that wasn't put on the table. Ok. I'm going to stick my neck out here, out of my comfort zone. While bringing Harmony out for graduation was never meant to be a vehicle for change, it's clear that there are opportunities where we can