che ISIS Mentor
>>>>
>>>> On 11/19/10 10:52 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 19, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A full transcription shouldn't be necessary.
>>>&
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> ...So, it is clear to me that the IPMC and the Foundation do *not* have
> an established consensus the forbids any podling from ever having a
> phone conference...
Absolutely agreed, in the same way that we cannot prevent people from
meet
Instead of continuing this thread, I'd invite any of you to start
watching the isis dev list, and report in if you see evidence of a
failure to respect the core values that underly this argument.
Isis has several mentors. I am only one. The mentors, in general, felt
that the project had a strong e
On 11/24/10 3:18 PM, Bernd Fondermann wrote:
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 15:02, Benson Margulies wrote:
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Bernd Fondermann
wrote:
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 16:16, Benson Margulies wrote:
I am nothing if not chronically disingenuous.
My first concern in responding
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 15:02, Benson Margulies wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Bernd Fondermann
> wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 16:16, Benson Margulies
>> wrote:
>>> I am nothing if not chronically disingenuous.
>>>
>>> My first concern in responding here is a process concern. As
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Bernd Fondermann
wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 16:16, Benson Margulies wrote:
>> I am nothing if not chronically disingenuous.
>>
>> My first concern in responding here is a process concern. As far as I
>> can tell, the Incubator PMC has not formally voted to f
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 16:16, Benson Margulies wrote:
> I am nothing if not chronically disingenuous.
>
> My first concern in responding here is a process concern. As far as I
> can tell, the Incubator PMC has not formally voted to forbid the use
> of real-time communications in podlings. Absent
: [ISIS] Re: Conference call
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Date: Monday, November 22, 2010, 3:16 PM
> I am nothing if not chronically
> disingenuous.
>
> My first concern in responding here is a process concern.
> As far as I
> can tell, the Incubator PMC has not form
t;>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Siegfried Goeschl
>>>>> Apache ISIS Mentor
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/19/10 10:52 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>>>>>
>&
On 11/22/2010 9:40 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Bad habits are hard to break, esp when done early... Comparing the
> behaviors of "TLP's in good standing" to new podlings seems
> disingenuous. I'm sure some seasoned automobile drivers drive
> with 1 hand on the wheel. Is that something you encourage
52 PM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Nov 19, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> A full transcription shouldn't be necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree. Transcript is too strong
necessary.
>>>>
>>>> I agree. Transcript is too strong for what I think needs to be done,
>>>> which is...
>>>>
>>>>> Just bring a summary of
>>>>> discussion points back to the list, along with any recommendations.
ussion
>>> points which continue on list.
>>>
>>> Craig
>>>>
>>>> We have off-list discussions all the time (IM, IRC, in-person). We
>>>> don't transcribe those. We just bring the discussion onto the list for
>>>&g
anscribe those. We just bring the discussion onto the list for
>>> wrapping it up with everybody present. Skype concalls are no different
>>> than these other forums.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -g
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 13:18, Craig L
Hi folks,
forwarding my comment regarding the Skype discussion on
gene...@incubation to keep you in the loop ... :-)
Cheers,
Siegfried Goeschl
Original Message
Subject: [ISIS] Re: Conference call
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 23:41:01 +0100
From: Siegfried Goeschl
Reply-To
r forums.
Cheers,
-g
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 13:18, Craig L Russell
wrote:
My $0.02:
The business of Apache is conducted on email.
It's fine to have a periodic conference call among interested project
participants, as long as (my list, not normative):
no project or community membe
Hi Emmanuel Lecharny and all...
You are right, this is why this kind of meetings are not related to
decisions making in general, they are just like an online
get-together/meetup, they are optional not mandatory to attend, and no
decisions are taken in them, just brain storming, comments, ideas
On 11/19/10 11:52 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Siegfried Goeschl
wrote:
...if the ISIS developer/users/mentors/community decide to run a regular
Skype meeting to meet each other electronically assuming
+) that the meeting is announced on the dev list
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:55 PM, James Carman
wrote:
> I'm just trying to make sure we do things the "Apache Way", since I'm
> supposed to be a "mentor" for this project
And it's great that podling members are discussing such things here.
The ASF is not here to impose any useless rules on p
M, IRC, in-person). We
>>> don't transcribe those. We just bring the discussion onto the list for
>>> wrapping it up with everybody present. Skype concalls are no different
>>> than these other forums.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -g
>>
Hi,
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Siegfried Goeschl
wrote:
> ...if the ISIS developer/users/mentors/community decide to run a regular
> Skype meeting to meet each other electronically assuming
>
> +) that the meeting is announced on the dev list
>
> +) that we not exclude any interested party
0 at 13:18, Craig L Russell
wrote:
My $0.02:
The business of Apache is conducted on email.
It's fine to have a periodic conference call among interested project
participants, as long as (my list, not normative):
no project or community member is excluded (e.g. by posting the call
informatio
ping it up with everybody present. Skype concalls are no different
than these other forums.
Cheers,
-g
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 13:18, Craig L Russell > wrote:
My $0.02:
The business of Apache is conducted on email.
It's fine to have a periodic conference call among interested project
par
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
>
> So Skype calls are fine (and I like Craig's list of criteria for
> them), but as far as the ASF is concerned they don't count - anything
> important has to happen on list. Audio transcripts are useless IMO.
>
Right, the key criteria
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> ...We have off-list discussions all the time (IM, IRC, in-person). We
> don't transcribe those. We just bring the discussion onto the list for
> wrapping it up with everybody present. Skype concalls are no different
> than these other forums
#x27;s fine to have a periodic conference call among interested project
> participants, as long as (my list, not normative):
>
> no project or community member is excluded (e.g. by posting the call
> information only to a private list)
>
> no decisions are made during the call
>
> all
:
> From: James Carman
> Subject: Re: Conference call
> To: isis-...@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: general@incubator.apache.org
> Date: Friday, November 19, 2010, 5:29 PM
> I don't know about this.
> Whatever we do has to be trackable and
> "open", so I don't kno
My $0.02:
The business of Apache is conducted on email.
It's fine to have a periodic conference call among interested project
participants, as long as (my list, not normative):
no project or community member is excluded (e.g. by posting the call
information only to a private list)
I don't know about this. Whatever we do has to be trackable and
"open", so I don't know about this Skype stuff. Requiring folks to
watch a video or listen to an audio recording rather than reading a
transcript is probably not a good idea. I'm copying the general list
to see what others have to s
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