Re: Committer Voting and Vetos

2014-10-01 Thread Branko Čibej
On 01.10.2014 05:41, Greg Stein wrote: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Ted Dunning wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Greg Stein wrote: >> >>> To the concrete question, the Subversion project never calls a strict >>> [VOTE] for new committers or PMC members. We discuss first, and th

Re: Committer Voting and Vetos

2014-09-30 Thread Brett Porter
As an additional reference, here's a previous thread on the topic: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201303.mbox/%3ccapfnckijy6tm5tycfn7msch6h0v_ear7ws5qmftegaoo+do...@mail.gmail.com%3E Cheers, Brett On 26 Sep 2014, at 1:59 pm, Alex Harui wrote: > In a past discussion

Re: Committer Voting and Vetos

2014-09-30 Thread Greg Stein
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Ted Dunning wrote: > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > > > To the concrete question, the Subversion project never calls a strict > > [VOTE] for new committers or PMC members. We discuss first, and that sets > > the direction. People throw out

Re: Committer Voting and Vetos

2014-09-30 Thread Ted Dunning
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 3:46 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > To the concrete question, the Subversion project never calls a strict > [VOTE] for new committers or PMC members. We discuss first, and that sets > the direction. People throw out +1 messages, but that is "sure, make it so" > rather than a true

Re: Committer Voting and Vetos

2014-09-30 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Noah Slater wrote: >... > Specifically, we (CouchDB) see voting as the failure mode of a > discussion (a useful one non-the-less), or as a last-step requirement > to officiate a particular set of project-level decisions (that are > fully enumerated in the bylaws)

Re: Committer Voting and Vetos

2014-09-30 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 3:52 AM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > ...The HTTP Server project has successfully operated by unanimity... As a side note, I often tell people that IMO the HTTP Server is so modular because people couldn't agree on things - it's much easier to get consensus and sometimes

Re: Committer Voting and Vetos

2014-09-29 Thread Ted Dunning
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 8:52 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > The HTTP Server PMC has succeeded in working through these issues without > evicting a project member, and continuing to make progress. > There is a lot of credit due for this. Of course, there are different stresses on each project.

Re: Committer Voting and Vetos

2014-09-29 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
e become so invested >> in the foundation and its projects. >> > >> > Sometimes it's not possible to reach unanimous consensus. In such >> situations the community needs to delay the vote (they agree the concerns >> are appropriate) or they use voting to br

Re: Committer Voting and Vetos

2014-09-26 Thread David Nalley
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 11:59 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > In a past discussion about by-laws, some folks were adamant that voting > for new committer and PMC members be consensus votes so a single person > can block the adding of a candidate. > > Do any projects use some form of majority voting for ne

Re: Committer Voting and Vetos

2014-09-26 Thread jan i
gt; then in at the earliest opportunity they may never have become so > invested > > in the foundation and its projects. > > > > > > Sometimes it's not possible to reach unanimous consensus. In such > > situations the community needs to delay the vote (they agre

Re: Committer Voting and Vetos

2014-09-26 Thread Noah Slater
n the foundation and its projects. > > > > Sometimes it's not possible to reach unanimous consensus. In such > situations the community needs to delay the vote (they agree the concerns > are appropriate) or they use voting to break the deadlock. How the vote is > conducted

Re: Committer Voting and Vetos

2014-09-26 Thread Noah Slater
hey agree the concerns are > appropriate) or they use voting to break the deadlock. How the vote is > conducted is covered well by Joe. > > Sent from my Windows Phone > > From: Joe Brockmeier<mailto:j...@zonker.net> > Sent: ‎9/‎26/‎2014 5

RE: Committer Voting and Vetos

2014-09-26 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Phone From: Joe Brockmeier<mailto:j...@zonker.net> Sent: ‎9/‎26/‎2014 5:00 AM To: general@incubator.apache.org<mailto:general@incubator.apache.org> Subject: Re: Committer Voting and Vetos On Thu, Sep 25, 2014, at 10:59 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > In a past

Re: Committer Voting and Vetos

2014-09-26 Thread Jake Farrell
Hey Alex If during a new committer vote someone is giving a negative vote then the reasoning should be included with that vote and a discussion can follow around why the person was given the negative vote, this should all occur on the private@ mailing list for that project. If there is hesitation a

Re: Committer Voting and Vetos

2014-09-26 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014, at 10:59 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > In a past discussion about by-laws, some folks were adamant that voting > for new committer and PMC members be consensus votes so a single person > can block the adding of a candidate. > > Do any projects use some form of majority voting for n

Committer Voting and Vetos

2014-09-25 Thread Alex Harui
In a past discussion about by-laws, some folks were adamant that voting for new committer and PMC members be consensus votes so a single person can block the adding of a candidate. Do any projects use some form of majority voting for new committers? What are the reasons for allowing vetoes? Than