Re: Collecting Proposed changes

2006-01-10 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On January 10, 2006 2:29:25 PM -0600 "William A. Rowe, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But what I expect to see more often is that the incubator raises specific concerns with a new proposal that the presenters are willing to remedy, and that the sponsoring PMC didn't anticipate. That would b

Re: Collecting Proposed changes

2006-01-10 Thread William A. Rowe, Jr.
Totally agree with Justin straight down the line. One additional thought; -1 / No: - Petition the Board to require Incubator PMC VOTE to begin incubation process even for projects that other PMC's want to sponsor. Now, we are the Board's committee to found new projects. That said, we can't

Re: Collecting Proposed changes

2006-01-10 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
--On December 31, 2005 2:38:48 PM -0500 Davanum Srinivas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Folks, Please review the items here: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ProposedChanges Please feel free to add/modify/delete or start a new thread here on any issue that you care about. Let's give it a week and

Re: Collecting Proposed changes

2006-01-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Davanum Srinivas wrote: How does a PMC agree to sponsor a thing w/o a VOTE? It wouldn't need an *Incuabtor PMC* vote. secondly, the guys who wrote the proposal asked me to check with WS PMC. why would i do that otherwise? I understand. I still don't think it needs WS sponsorship :) geir

Re: Collecting Proposed changes

2006-01-03 Thread Davanum Srinivas
How does a PMC agree to sponsor a thing w/o a VOTE? secondly, the guys who wrote the proposal asked me to check with WS PMC. why would i do that otherwise? -- dims On 1/3/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > Brett, > > > > Let's take Tuscany, If the

Re: Collecting Proposed changes

2006-01-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Davanum Srinivas wrote: Brett, Let's take Tuscany, If the WS PMC had voted on the proposal before it hit [EMAIL PROTECTED], it would have probably passed the pmc VOTE. No - if the WS PMC was actually sponsoring it, it wouldn't need a PMC vote. and incubator would have had to accept it as-

Re: Collecting Proposed changes

2006-01-02 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Brett, Am not sure that the last point will fly with the board :) Yes, i'd be worried too :) [*if the WS PMC had vetted and voted and still produced the same proposal*] +1 to base web site content around the questions like you mentioned. Can you please help write them up? The worries that i see

Re: Collecting Proposed changes

2006-01-02 Thread Brett Porter
Sure, but your last point (having the incubator also approve an external project coming to a PMC) was designed to take care of that. I agree, it worked well with Tuscany. However, in some cases it makes more sense for a PMC to get their house in order first. As long as everybody gets involved befo

Re: Collecting Proposed changes

2006-01-02 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Brett, Let's take Tuscany, If the WS PMC had voted on the proposal before it hit [EMAIL PROTECTED], it would have probably passed the pmc VOTE. and incubator would have had to accept it as-is. however fortunately, the proposal was sent directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and Roy (and others) had quite

Re: Collecting Proposed changes

2006-01-02 Thread Brett Porter
Some thoughts: # [ ] - Any proposal should hit [EMAIL PROTECTED] first, No PR before that. # [ ] - Any PR should be vetted by PRC, No Excuses. Agree, for the Apache side of things. I'm not sure we can stop companies doing what they are going to do, but we can certainly say that that they shouldn'

Collecting Proposed changes

2005-12-31 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Folks, Please review the items here: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ProposedChanges Please feel free to add/modify/delete or start a new thread here on any issue that you care about. Let's give it a week and then ask the incubator PMC to VOTE on items on that page. thanks, dims -- Davanum Sri