On Sep 6, 2012, at 7:10 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 8/26/12 7:44 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>> - Original Message -
>>
>>> From: Dave Fisher
>>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>> Cc:
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:08 PM
On 8/26/12 7:44 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> - Original Message -
>
>> From: Dave Fisher
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
>>
>&
On 27.08.2012 23:11, Andreas Kuckartz wrote:
Rob Weir:
You probably don't see this on the server yet, but end-user operating
systems, both desktop and devices, both at OS level as well as in
browsers and with antivirus software, are shifting over to excluding
non-signed executable by default. T
Rob Weir:
> You probably don't see this on the server yet, but end-user operating
> systems, both desktop and devices, both at OS level as well as in
> browsers and with antivirus software, are shifting over to excluding
> non-signed executable by default. This is equally true of software
> distri
are PMC-approved.
>
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>> From: Greg Stein
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc: "ooo-...@incubator.apache.org"
>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 1:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Gr
To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: "ooo-...@incubator.apache.org"
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 1:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
>
> On Aug 27, 2012 9:57 AM, "Jim Jagielski"
> wrote:
>> ...
>> But r
On Aug 27, 2012 9:57 AM, "Jim Jagielski" wrote:
>...
> But recall in all this that even when the PMC releases code, it is
> signed by the individual RM, and not by the PMC itself.
Apache Subversion releases tend to have a half-dozen signatures. Thus, I'd
say they are signed by the PMC. For exampl
Jim Jagielski wrote on Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 10:38:15 -0400:
> After this, please drop general@
>
> On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>
> >>
> >> A signature does 2 things:
> >>
> >> 1. Ensures that no bits have been changed
> >> 2. That the bits come from a known (and trusted) en
- Original Message -
> From: Benson Margulies
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 9:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
>
> Jim,
>
> Two points:
>
> 1: you skip over the li
After this, please drop general@
On Aug 27, 2012, at 10:16 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>
>> A signature does 2 things:
>>
>> 1. Ensures that no bits have been changed
>> 2. That the bits come from a known (and trusted) entity.
>>
>
> Almost. It doesn't guarantee trust.
Sure it does. If somethin
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 9:57 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Re adding ooo-dev@ since this is STILL an AOO issue.
>
> On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>>>
>>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:56 AM, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote:
>>>
Re adding ooo-dev@ since this is STILL an AOO issue.
On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>>
>> On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:56 AM, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, that's what end users care about. But it's not sufficient
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Aug 27, 2012 6:15 AM, "Jukka Zitting" wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm jumping in late to this discussion after returning from vacation.
>> To summarize my understanding:
>>
>> * As Joe says, there's no problem with current OpenOffice releases.
>
on 08/27/2012 08:43:35 AM:
>
> > From: Jim Jagielski
> > To: general@incubator.apache.org, Joe Schaefer
> > , Rob Weir ,
> > Cc: "ooo-...@incubator.apache.org"
> > Date: 08/27/2012 08:44 AM
> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Grad
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:56 AM, wrote:
> Jim Jagielski wrote on 08/27/2012 08:43:35 AM:
>
>> From: Jim Jagielski
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org, Joe Schaefer
>> , Rob Weir ,
>> Cc: "ooo-...@incubator.apache.org"
>> Date: 08/27/2012 08:
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
>
> On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:56 AM, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote:
>>
>> Yes, that's what end users care about. But it's not sufficient for AOO
>> since we are seeking alternative distribution channels.
>
> What does that mean? Can I grok "alte
On 27.08.2012 13:10, Greg Stein wrote:
On Aug 27, 2012 6:15 AM, "Jukka Zitting" wrote:
Hi,
I'm jumping in late to this discussion after returning from vacation.
To summarize my understanding:
* As Joe says, there's no problem with current OpenOffice releases.
Agreed.
* The project is loo
On Aug 27, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>
> But can't you drag this whole matter back to the AOO list, being a
> mentor and all?
>
Trying to do that with ccing ooo-dev@
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Jim,
Two points:
1: you skip over the liability question. Is Bill legally exposed?
2: You can't distribute a binary application to the Mac App store, or
other places, without a signature.
Some complex requirements for using an Apache signature have been
posed; I don't know why Donald characteri
On Aug 27, 2012, at 8:56 AM, donald_harbi...@us.ibm.com wrote:
>
> Yes, that's what end users care about. But it's not sufficient for AOO
> since we are seeking alternative distribution channels.
What does that mean? Can I grok "alternative distribution channels"
as "more mirrors" or something
Jim Jagielski wrote on 08/27/2012 08:43:35 AM:
> From: Jim Jagielski
> To: general@incubator.apache.org, Joe Schaefer
> , Rob Weir ,
> Cc: "ooo-...@incubator.apache.org"
> Date: 08/27/2012 08:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
On Aug 26, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> No. There is NO WAY IN HELL the org can indemnify
> a volunteer who produces a binary build themselves.
>
> Please don't bother asking legal-discuss to tackle this.
>
Here's an analogy: for a long, long time Bill Rowe has taken
it upon hims
ist
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 2:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
>>
>>
>> On 8/24/2012 11:19 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>>> Really, all this fuss over the LABELLING of
&g
On Aug 27, 2012 6:15 AM, "Jukka Zitting" wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm jumping in late to this discussion after returning from vacation.
> To summarize my understanding:
>
> * As Joe says, there's no problem with current OpenOffice releases.
Agreed.
> * The project is looking for ways to produce "bless
Hi,
I'm jumping in late to this discussion after returning from vacation.
To summarize my understanding:
* As Joe says, there's no problem with current OpenOffice releases.
* The project is looking for ways to produce "blessed binaries" as a
part of future releases, and has been working with the
On 26.08.2012 00:21, Greg Stein wrote:
On Aug 25, 2012 9:46 AM, "Benson Margulies" wrote:
...
Of course, a discussion thread started here to solicit the IPMC's
opinion on graduation would be another matter entirely.
If Rob is representative of AOO, then no. They need more time to learn
about
nday, August 20, 2012 18:50
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
I do not dispute the existence of other reliable creators of binary
distributions. The *nix packagings and installation in consumer desktops are
notable for the value that
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
> On Aug 26, 2012, at 7:46 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>
>> AOO doesn't need to change anything to their current release processes
>> other than to stop pointing source downloads at svn (which is the sole
>> reason I won't vote for AOO candidates).
- Original Message -
> From: Dave Fisher
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 1:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
>
>
> On Aug 26, 2012, at 7:46 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>
>> AO
On Aug 26, 2012, at 7:46 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> AOO doesn't need to change anything to their current release processes
> other than to stop pointing source downloads at svn (which is the sole
> reason I won't vote for AOO candidates).
Well this is worth discussion.
On this page [1]:
The sou
> Joe, I know very well (and you know that I know) that I can edit most of
> the things that appear on our web site. But if community-oriented means
> that anyone should just edit those docs to scratch an itch and to hell
> with consensus and the consequences, then you're right, I'm definitely a
>
Sigh. Apache is a volunteer organization with a history and a culture.
As a volunteer organization, it cannot possibly create and maintain a
set of documents that describe every bit of cultural norm and
historical context.
New committers on existing projects learn from their communities.
Podling m
, 2012 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
>
> On 26.08.2012 17:04, Joe Schaefer wrote:
>> Waah Brane- obviously you're not as community-oriented
>> as you'd like to think. release.html is the byproduct
>> of sev
On 26.08.2012 17:04, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> Waah Brane- obviously you're not as community-oriented
> as you'd like to think. release.html is the byproduct
> of several years of writing oriented towards the lowest
> common denominator of the org, but if you think you know
> how to improve it you hav
All that's missing is a clue.
- Original Message -
> From: Branko Čibej
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 10:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
>
> On 26.08.2012 16:46, Joe Schaefer wrot
On 26.08.2012 16:46, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> The point most people seem to make out of "sanctioned"
> or "official" builds revolves around indemnifying volunteers
> involved in the production of the release.
>
>
> I'm tired of rehashing release.html for the umpteenth time
> simply because Brane or yo
s the sole
reason I won't vote for AOO candidates).
- Original Message -
> From: Rob Weir
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
>
> On Sun, Aug 26, 20
ently offer that level of management
in our build farms.
HTH
>
> From: Marvin Humphrey
>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2012 10:09 AM
>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
>
>On Sun, Aug 2
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:26 AM, Branko Čibej wrote:
> On 26.08.2012 13:15, Tim Williams wrote:
>> Marvin gave the link earlier in this thread. 4th para is the relevant bit.
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what
>
> The relevant part is in the last paragraph. However, that says
> "conv
On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Branko Čibej wrote:
> On 26.08.2012 13:15, Tim Williams wrote:
>> Marvin gave the link earlier in this thread. 4th para is the relevant bit.
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what
>
> The relevant part is in the last paragraph. However, that says
> "conv
On 26.08.2012 13:15, Tim Williams wrote:
> Marvin gave the link earlier in this thread. 4th para is the relevant bit.
>
> http://www.apache.org/dev/release.html#what
The relevant part is in the last paragraph. However, that says
"convenience" and defines version numbering requirements, but it does
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>
>
>>> I can give the IPMC a hand here, if my point is too obscure. A policy
>>> might look like this:
>>>
>>> Resolved: An Apache pro
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 4:35 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> I can give the IPMC a hand here, if my point is too obscure. A policy
>> might look like this:
>>
>> Resolved: An Apache project's release consists of a canonical source
>> artifact, vot
On Aug 25, 2012 9:46 AM, "Benson Margulies" wrote:
>...
> Of course, a discussion thread started here to solicit the IPMC's
> opinion on graduation would be another matter entirely.
If Rob is representative of AOO, then no. They need more time to learn
about the ASF.
-g
Benson Margulies:
> In the mean time, AOO releases can continue to have 'convenience
> binaries', sans signatures.
If they can have 'convenience binaries' they should also be able to
provide 'convenience signatures".
Cheers,
Andreas
---
On Sat, 2012-08-25 at 06:45 -0700, Benson Margulies wrote:
> I submit that this sub-thread has reached the end of its useful lifetime.
Howdy,
After a re-read of this thread, along with similar on the AOO dev/priv
list and referenced ASF policy, or best practices, docs., I fully agree.
Honestly,
I submit that this sub-thread has reached the end of its useful lifetime.
The IPMC's view of binaries is clear, and the IPMC believes that its
views reflect the will of the board. 'Official' binaries, like
binaries signed with a certificate with the Foundation's name on it,
are not currently permi
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 7:42 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> Or if someone who cared sufficiently about this policy area took
>> ownership and proposed a wording of the policy, either as a Board
>> resolution, or on legal-discuss, and had that poli
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> Or if someone who cared sufficiently about this policy area took
> ownership and proposed a wording of the policy, either as a Board
> resolution, or on legal-discuss, and had that policy approved and
> recorded via the ordinary means.
As a membe
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>...
> Or if someone who cared sufficiently about this policy area took
> ownership and proposed a wording of the policy, either as a Board
> resolution, or on legal-discuss, and had that policy approved and
> recorded via the ordinary means.
That'
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
> On Aug 24, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
>
>> Returning to this topic after an intermission...
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
>>> wrote:
>
> From: Greg Stein
>To: general@incubator.apache.org; Joe Schaefer
>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 3:40 PM
>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
>
>Joe: that is what is being discussed. Blessed binaries.
>
&
ent: Friday, August 24, 2012 3:08 PM
>>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
>>
>>This policy is enshrined in the original foundation articles of
>>incorporation, and has been restated, over and over, by board members.
>>Most colorfully by Roy T. Fie
Benson Margulies
>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 3:08 PM
>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
>
>This policy is enshrined in the original foundation articles of
>incorporation, and has been restated, over and over,
This policy is enshrined in the original foundation articles of
incorporation, and has been restated, over and over, by board members.
Most colorfully by Roy T. Fielding, who was 'present at the birth.'
Many are sympathetic to the AOO situation, and this is why the
suggestion from the VP legal was
Exactly- just work within the constraints
and there is no practical problem whatsoever.
>
> From: Andrew Rist
>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 2:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation
rmally voted on
and approved by the ASF".
Thus...
Binaries created /from /the Official Release?
From: Dave Fisher
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
On
oved by the ASF".
>
> From: Dave Fisher
>To: general@incubator.apache.org
>Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
>
>
>On Aug 24, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> On Fri,
On Aug 24, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> Returning to this topic after an intermission...
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
>> wrote:
>>> ...As one of the active developers I would have a serious
On Aug 24, 2012, at 10:09 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Marvin Humphrey
>> wrote:
>>> Returning to this topic after an intermission...
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>>> wrote:
On
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Marvin Humphrey
> wrote:
>> Returning to this topic after an intermission...
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
>>> wrote
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 12:32 PM, Marvin Humphrey
wrote:
> Returning to this topic after an intermission...
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
>> wrote:
>>> ...As one of the active developers I would have a serio
Returning to this topic after an intermission...
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Jürgen Schmidt
> wrote:
>> ...As one of the active developers I would have a serious problem if we as
>> project couldn't provide binary releases for
I would like to offer a very loud +1 to Bertrand's email.
Here we are on a community graduation vote thread. This sub-discussion
would seem to lead to one of three outcomes:
1) No place new. AOO proceeds out of the incubator operating under the
current regime, and those AOO community members who
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> ...As one of the active developers I would have a serious problem if we as
> project couldn't provide binary releases for our users. And I thought
> the ASF is a serious enough institution that can ensure to deliver
> binaries of these very
On 8/21/12 12:03 AM, drew wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 13:32 -0700, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>> Per the IPMC's "Guide to Successful Graduation" [1] this is the
>>> optional, but recommended, community vote for us to express our
>>> willingness/r
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 5:30 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> Officially, no Apache project has ever, ever, released a binary.
>
> Apache projects have published convenience binaries to accompany their
> releases, which have been, by definition, source
Agreed - for the Flex podling the mentors h
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 17:01 -0700, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:03 PM, drew wrote:
> > Well, for myself, I don't have a problem with the AOO project not having
> > official binary releases - in such a circumstance I would strongly
> > prefer no binary release at all.
>
> I w
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Benson Margulies
wrote:
> Officially, no Apache project has ever, ever, released a binary.
>
> Apache projects have published convenience binaries to accompany their
> releases, which have been, by definition, source.
>
Maybe you can help clarify this for me then
Officially, no Apache project has ever, ever, released a binary.
Apache projects have published convenience binaries to accompany their
releases, which have been, by definition, source.
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On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 11:05 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Prescott Nasser
> wrote:
>> I'm sorry, I'm playing catch-up and I'm a bit unclear on the argument -
>> Marvin said: "If the podling believes that ASF-endorsed binaries are a hard
>> requirement,
>> then it
> Subject: RE: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 20:11:23 -0700
>
> Simple enough - thanks.
> > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:05:00 -0400
> > Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
> > From: gst...@gmail.c
Simple enough - thanks.
> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 23:05:00 -0400
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
> From: gst...@gmail.com
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Prescott Nasser
> wrote:
> > I'm
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:58 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>> On Aug 20, 2012 8:33 PM, "Rob Weir" wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>>>...
>>> > I would also state that continuing to argue is symptomatic of a
>>> > fai
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:55 PM, Prescott Nasser wrote:
> I'm sorry, I'm playing catch-up and I'm a bit unclear on the argument -
> Marvin said: "If the podling believes that ASF-endorsed binaries are a hard
> requirement,
> then it seems to me that the ASF is not yet ready for AOO and will no
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Aug 20, 2012 8:33 PM, "Rob Weir" wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>>...
>> > I would also state that continuing to argue is symptomatic of a
>> > failure to understand and integrate with the Foundation's thou
:43 -0400
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
> From: gst...@gmail.com
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>
> On Aug 20, 2012 8:33 PM, "Rob Weir" wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> >...
>
On Aug 20, 2012 8:33 PM, "Rob Weir" wrote:
>
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>...
> > I would also state that continuing to argue is symptomatic of a
> > failure to understand and integrate with the Foundation's thoughts on
> > the matter. Or to at least politely discuss the
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:59 PM, drew wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 17:01 -0700, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:03 PM, drew wrote:
>> > Well, for myself, I don't have a problem with the AOO project not having
>> > official binary releases - in such a circumstance I would str
(including any from IBM) will provide their own verifiable
authenticity.
- Dennis
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From: drew [mailto:d...@baseanswers.com]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 18:00
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
On Mon, 2012-08
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 17:01 -0700, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:03 PM, drew wrote:
> > Well, for myself, I don't have a problem with the AOO project not having
> > official binary releases - in such a circumstance I would strongly
> > prefer no binary release at all.
>
> I w
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:11 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> Just because some other podlings have released binary artifacts does
> not mean AOO can base their entire release strategy on binaries.
>
True, But we have not based our entire release strategy on binaries.
If you recall we spent a great deal
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:03 PM, drew wrote:
>> Well, for myself, I don't have a problem with the AOO project not having
>> official binary releases - in such a circumstance I would strongly
>> prefer no binary release at all.
>
> I wonder
Just because some other podlings have released binary artifacts does
not mean AOO can base their entire release strategy on binaries.
As Marvin has said: source releases are the primary release mechanism.
Binaries are and should be a distant second.
I would also state that continuing to argue is
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 3:03 PM, drew wrote:
> Well, for myself, I don't have a problem with the AOO project not having
> official binary releases - in such a circumstance I would strongly
> prefer no binary release at all.
I wonder who might step into the breach to provide binaries for such a
pa
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Marvin Humphrey
> wrote:
>> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>> Per the IPMC's "Guide to Successful Graduation" [1] this is the
>>> optional, but recommended, community vote for us to express ou
On Mon, 2012-08-20 at 13:32 -0700, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> > Per the IPMC's "Guide to Successful Graduation" [1] this is the
> > optional, but recommended, community vote for us to express our
> > willingness/readiness to govern ourselves. If th
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> Per the IPMC's "Guide to Successful Graduation" [1] this is the
>> optional, but recommended, community vote for us to express our
>> willingness/readiness to govern ourselves. If this v
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> Per the IPMC's "Guide to Successful Graduation" [1] this is the
> optional, but recommended, community vote for us to express our
> willingness/readiness to govern ourselves. If this vote passes then
> we continue by drafting a charter, submittin
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From: Rob Weir
Date: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 11:52 AM
Subject: [VOTE] Apache OpenOffice Community Graduation Vote
To: ooo-...@incubator.apache.org
Per the IPMC's "Guide to Successful Graduation" [1] this is the
optional, but recommended, com
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