Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-12 Thread Christian Geisert
Henning Schmiedehausen schrieb: > Huh, am I late? Me too ;-) I thought this was just the disussion and the vote would start afterwards. Anyway, as a long time JSPWiki user +1 -- Christian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTE

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-12 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
Huh, am I late? +1 (mentoring JSPWiki... ;-) ) Best regards Henning On Tue, 2007-09-11 at 22:41 -0400, Dave wrote: > The proposal was posted Aug. 29, we're up to 4 or 5 binding +1 votes > now and no -1 vote have been cast. > > Binding: > +1 Craig Russell > +1 Noel Berg

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-11 Thread Craig L Russell
I'd count "Snoop" Dave Johnson as a binding vote, being Incubator PMC. Time's up. Go for't. Craig On Sep 11, 2007, at 7:41 PM, Dave wrote: The proposal was posted Aug. 29, we're up to 4 or 5 binding +1 votes now and no -1 vote have been cast. Binding: +1 Craig Russell +1 Noel Bergman +1 Nico

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-11 Thread Dave
The proposal was posted Aug. 29, we're up to 4 or 5 binding +1 votes now and no -1 vote have been cast. Binding: +1 Craig Russell +1 Noel Bergman +1 Nicolas Hedman +1 Ted Husted Other: +1 Dave Johnson (retroactively binding?) +1 Alexey Petrenko +1 Martijn Dashorst Are we ready to incubate? - Da

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-11 Thread Craig L Russell
+1 for incubation. It's clear to me from the discussion here that the prospective project is aware of most of the IP, licensing, and third party issues that we deal with at Apache, and I welcome the opportunity to have them continue work in Apache. I'll even volunteer to help mentor if th

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-11 Thread Ted Husted
+1 for the overall proposal (binding) On 8/29/07, Janne Jalkanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello all! > > I am Janne Jalkanen, the lead developer of the open source wiki > engine called JSPWiki, and I have a proposal for your enjoyment. > This proposal is available in the web at http://www.jspw

Re: Joining the PMC (was: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki)

2007-09-10 Thread Dave
On 9/8/07, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave Johnson wrote: > > > Yes! I'd like to sign up for the Incubator project and Infra to help out. > > OK, I want to be clear, and then I'll get the process done. You are asking > to join the Incubator PMC, and volunteering as a Mentor for J

Joining the PMC (was: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki)

2007-09-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Dave Johnson wrote: > Yes! I'd like to sign up for the Incubator project and Infra to help out. OK, I want to be clear, and then I'll get the process done. You are asking to join the Incubator PMC, and volunteering as a Mentor for JSPWiki? The infrastructure side of your offer is best addressed

RE: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
> We have all but one tracked down and all have already agreed. > The question is whether they need to sign CLAs or whether it > is just enough that they verbally in an email agree to the > license change. If they want to continue development, they must sign a CLA. If they just want to grant lice

RE: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
In general, if there are any questions about IP and/or licensing, you can check with the PMC, and we can go to the Legal Committee. > Also, things like JavaMail libraries are highly useful for our user > experience (e.g. sending email in case the user forgets his > password). If there is an Apach

RE: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: > these concerns are very valid and good and Janne has demonstrated that > he is aware of this. > However, most of the vetting required is actually *part* of the > incubation process and happens after acceptance into the incubator. > So can we just postpone that disc

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-08 Thread Alexey Petrenko
t; ApacheJSPWikiProposal, should you wish to help us to make it better. > > /Janne > > - > > Abstract > > Apache JSPWiki will be a modular and user-extensible wiki-engine, > based on the open source JSPWiki software. > > Proposal > > JSPWiki is a wiki engin

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-08 Thread Martijn Dashorst
On 9/8/07, Niclas Hedhman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > +1. The fact that Janne pointed to a web page listing all the potential > hazards, is a VERY GOOD sign that he has at least as good grip of the > situation as the average Java project at Apache. And definitely good enough > for me to start incu

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-08 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Saturday 08 September 2007 17:41, Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: > these concerns are very valid and good and Janne has demonstrated that > he is aware of this. > > However, most of the vetting required is actually *part* of the > incubation process and happens after acceptance into the incubator

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-08 Thread Henning Schmiedehausen
eb at http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/ > > ApacheJSPWikiProposal, should you wish to help us to make it better. > > > > /Janne > > > > - > > > > Abstract > > > > Apache JSPWiki will be a modular and user-extensible wiki-engine, > > based on the ope

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-07 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On 9/6/07, Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a concrete example, look at Axis. At some point in its lifetime, WSDL4J > was added to the distribution, and that's licensed under the CPL. Someone > coming in and looking at Axis might reasonably assume that it's licensed > under the Ap

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-06 Thread Gwyn Evans
On Thursday, September 6, 2007, 6:18:42 PM, Janne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 6 Sep 2007, at 17:20, Gwyn Evans wrote: >> While agreeing that it's something that needs looking at closely, I'm >> not I'm not sure it's downbeat as I think you're suggesting. The >> 3rd-party licencing policy at h

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-06 Thread Martin Cooper
On 9/6/07, Garrett Rooney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/6/07, Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 9/6/07, Gwyn Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > While agreeing that it's something that needs looking at closely, I'm > > > not I'm not sure it's downbeat as I think you're

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-06 Thread Janne Jalkanen
Is there a roadmap for when JSPWiki will have all of the features and functionality of both Confluence and MoinMoin, including the Confluence macros we use, and the migration tools so that we can move all the existing data from these existing wikis to JSPWiki? Without that, I don't see us re

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-06 Thread Janne Jalkanen
On 6 Sep 2007, at 17:20, Gwyn Evans wrote: While agreeing that it's something that needs looking at closely, I'm not I'm not sure it's downbeat as I think you're suggesting. The 3rd-party licencing policy at http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html redirects to the draft at http://people.apache.

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-06 Thread Matthieu Riou
> > >> > > >> I am Janne Jalkanen, the lead developer of the open source wiki > > >> engine called JSPWiki, and I have a proposal for your enjoyment. > > >> This proposal is available in the web at http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/ > > >> ApacheJSPW

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-06 Thread Garrett Rooney
On 9/6/07, Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/6/07, Gwyn Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > While agreeing that it's something that needs looking at closely, I'm > > not I'm not sure it's downbeat as I think you're suggesting. The > > 3rd-party licencing policy at http://www.apac

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-06 Thread Martin Cooper
nne Jalkanen, the lead developer of the open source wiki > >> engine called JSPWiki, and I have a proposal for your enjoyment. > >> This proposal is available in the web at http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/ > >> ApacheJSPWikiProposal, should you wish to help us to make it better. > >&

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-06 Thread Janne Jalkanen
Well, let me put it this way: it would be kinda dumb to run our public wiki site on another wiki engine. ;-) Dumb? So we must already be dumb, then, to be running other things like JVMs that don't come from the ASF, rather than our own. Nonono, what I meant was that it would be odd to have

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-06 Thread Gwyn Evans
>> This proposal is available in the web at http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/ >> ApacheJSPWikiProposal, should you wish to help us to make it better. >> >> /Janne >> >> - >> >> Abstract >> >> Apache JSPWiki will be a modular and user-e

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-06 Thread Martin Cooper
joyment. > This proposal is available in the web at http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/ > ApacheJSPWikiProposal, should you wish to help us to make it better. > > /Janne > > - > > Abstract > > Apache JSPWiki will be a modular and user-extensible wiki-engine, > based on the op

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-06 Thread Martin Cooper
On 9/6/07, Janne Jalkanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > What do you mean? Apache does not have needed lower level projects to > > run JSPWiki? > > How about Tomcat+Harmony? > > Well, let me put it this way: it would be kinda dumb to run our > public wiki site on another wiki engine. ;-) Dumb?

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-06 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thursday 06 September 2007 17:56, Janne Jalkanen wrote: > We are tracking the progress here: > > http://www.jspwiki.org/wiki/ApacheRelicensing I think this is excellent and shows that you are on top of things. +1 to bring JSPWiki to incubation at ASF. Cheers -- Niclas Hedhman, Software Deve

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-06 Thread Andrus Adamchik
On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:52 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On 9/6/07, Janne Jalkanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ...So, any advice on this matter?... In my (totally non-lawyer) opinion, the cleanest way to change the JSPWiki code to the Apache License might be for the project to release an Apac

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-06 Thread Alexey Petrenko
Yep, I got your point. I've personally thought about possibility for users to run JSPWiki on full Apache stack. This could be nice out-of-the-box bundle: JSPWiki+Tomcat+Harmony SY, Alexey 2007/9/6, Janne Jalkanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > What do you mean? Apache does not have needed lower level

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-06 Thread Janne Jalkanen
In my (totally non-lawyer) opinion, the cleanest way to change the JSPWiki code to the Apache License might be for the project to release an Apache License version of their code, before coming to the Incubator, using their existing release channels. This would mean that the existing community has

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-06 Thread Janne Jalkanen
What do you mean? Apache does not have needed lower level projects to run JSPWiki? How about Tomcat+Harmony? Well, let me put it this way: it would be kinda dumb to run our public wiki site on another wiki engine. ;-) We also have separate documentation and sandbox wikis. http://www.jspwiki

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-06 Thread Alexey Petrenko
2007/9/4, Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Big +1 on JSPWiki. I've been a fan for years of the software and the > community that drives it forward. There may be some issues with > getting the JSPWiki web application up and running on Apache > infrastructure, which will be necessary for this effort What

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On 9/6/07, Janne Jalkanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...So, any advice on this matter?... In my (totally non-lawyer) opinion, the cleanest way to change the JSPWiki code to the Apache License might be for the project to release an Apache License version of their code, before coming to the Incub

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-06 Thread Janne Jalkanen
IANAL, but I am pretty sure you are right. However, I think there is an issue on "how simple is simple?". It seems common to talk about 10 lines of code are not infringements, but then noone give any hint of an upper limit. I think it would be good if it could be documented somehow, to get a

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-05 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thursday 06 September 2007 00:45, Janne Jalkanen wrote: > simple patches do not cross the   > boundary of an original work, and therefore cannot be claimed to be   > copyrighted. IANAL, but I am pretty sure you are right. However, I think there is an issue on "how simple is simple?". It seems

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-05 Thread Janne Jalkanen
I believe Janne has already looked into this and has a good list of all former contributors. Janne, can you comment on the difficulty of this challenge? Already ahead of you. We have all but one tracked down and all have already agreed. The question is whether they need to sign CLAs or whe

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-05 Thread Dave
On 9/5/07, Bill Stoddard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > JSPWiki is a wiki engine available under the Lesser General Public > > License. > > > The initial goals of the project is to release JSPWiki 2.8 under the > > Apache license: > Successfully executing the license change could prove to be a

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-05 Thread Bill Stoddard
JSPWiki is a wiki engine available under the Lesser General Public License. The initial goals of the project is to release JSPWiki 2.8 under the Apache license: Successfully executing the license change could prove to be a challenge. All past contributors to the project will need to agree t

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-05 Thread Dave
On 9/5/07, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave Johnson wrote: > > > Big +1 on JSPWiki. > > > There may be some issues with getting [JSPWiki] up and running on Apache > > infrastructure, which will be necessary for this effort, but I think > > we can overcome those. > > Volunteering?

RE: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Dave Johnson wrote: > Big +1 on JSPWiki. > There may be some issues with getting [JSPWiki] up and running on Apache > infrastructure, which will be necessary for this effort, but I think > we can overcome those. Volunteering? ;-) --- Noel -

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-09-04 Thread Dave
Big +1 on JSPWiki. I've been a fan for years of the software and the community that drives it forward. There may be some issues with getting the JSPWiki web application up and running on Apache infrastructure, which will be necessary for this effort, but I think we can overcome those. - Dave On

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-08-30 Thread Janne Jalkanen
This is interesting. Have you seen, that we are currently voting on the Jackrabbit list to enter Sling into the incubator. You may find more information at [1]. Yes, actually I did. I think it is something we can consider later. JSPWiki needs to do quite a lot of things internally than

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-08-30 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, On 8/30/07, Janne Jalkanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am Janne Jalkanen, the lead developer of the open source wiki > engine called JSPWiki, and I have a proposal for your enjoyment. Nice! > In the future, we expect to integrate somewhat with Jackrabbit. Having worked on wiki stuff befo

Re: [PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-08-30 Thread Felix Meschberger
Hi Janne, Am Donnerstag, den 30.08.2007, 00:02 +0300 schrieb Janne Jalkanen: > Abstract > > Apache JSPWiki will be a modular and user-extensible wiki-engine, > based on the open source JSPWiki software. > ... > * Clean up our metadata and backend support by adding JSR-170 > repository s

[PROPOSAL] JSPWiki

2007-08-29 Thread Janne Jalkanen
- Abstract Apache JSPWiki will be a modular and user-extensible wiki-engine, based on the open source JSPWiki software. Proposal JSPWiki is a wiki engine available under the Lesser General Public License. It has a very modular construction, and integrates relatively nicely with a