Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Rave project

2011-02-25 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 2/25/2011 4:25 AM, Troy Howard wrote: > My point was: > > Bill made a statement, which though rather neutral and ambiguous, > seemed to indicate that he (or perhaps a silent mass of others) did > not think the proposal was such a good idea, due to the risks > associated with a significant amoun

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Rave project

2011-02-25 Thread Upayavira
I think the concern is in a sense valid, but this particular proposal doesn't seem to stand out for me in that regard. On one level, Apache is about individual contributions. Having said that, I wonder what would become of Apache if all corporate support of committers' activities were banned. Per

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Rave project

2011-02-25 Thread Troy Howard
My point was: Bill made a statement, which though rather neutral and ambiguous, seemed to indicate that he (or perhaps a silent mass of others) did not think the proposal was such a good idea, due to the risks associated with a significant amount of corporate support and involvement. At least, tha

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Rave project

2011-02-25 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
Troy, I am not really sure what your point is. So you believe that: > I think the 'Known Risks' section in the proposal enumerates that > pretty clearly, so I won't repeat it. ... yet you raise an objection for somebody else who might think otherwise? Is that because you anticipate an objection an

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Rave project

2011-02-24 Thread Troy Howard
I think the 'Known Risks' section in the proposal enumerates that pretty clearly, so I won't repeat it. I don't know why anyone would take exception to it be included in the Incubator. It seems like a good fit, as long as the stated known risks are addressed during incubation. My statements were m

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Rave project

2011-02-24 Thread Ross Gardler
On 24/02/2011 23:11, Troy Howard wrote: In my opinion, a reasonable compromise would be to set it as a project goal to reduce corporate dependency on the committers list. I'm really confused where this is coming from. The goal of incubation is to generate sufficient diversity in contributions

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Rave project

2011-02-24 Thread Troy Howard
In my opinion, a reasonable compromise would be to set it as a project goal to reduce corporate dependency on the committers list. I would take that so far as to treat it as a bug, place an issue in JIRA to that effect, and schedule a date/version for the issue to be resolved. This will remind eve

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Rave project

2011-02-24 Thread Craig L Russell
I'm looking forward to a vote on this proposal. I've read the thread and I think it's good to know **up front** that there are going to be corporate contributions, not just from one corporation. Craig On Feb 21, 2011, at 3:18 PM, Ate Douma wrote: I would like to propose the Apache Rave p

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Rave project

2011-02-24 Thread Mohammad Nour El-Din
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:05 AM, Ate Douma wrote: > On 24/02/11 09:49, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: >> >> On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 8:49 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. >>  wrote: >>> >>> On 2/21/2011 5:18 PM, Ate Douma wrote: The Apache Rave project proposal is a joined effort of Hippo, the MITRE

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Rave project

2011-02-24 Thread Ate Douma
On 24/02/11 09:49, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 8:49 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 2/21/2011 5:18 PM, Ate Douma wrote: The Apache Rave project proposal is a joined effort of Hippo, the MITRE Corporation, the Open Gateway Computing Environments project (OGCE), the S

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Rave project

2011-02-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 8:49 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > On 2/21/2011 5:18 PM, Ate Douma wrote: >> >> The Apache Rave project proposal is a joined effort of Hippo, the MITRE >> Corporation, the >> Open Gateway Computing Environments project (OGCE), the SURFnet SURFConext >> Portal project,

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Rave project

2011-02-24 Thread Ross Gardler
Whilst I agree it has been discussed and understood I'm still trying to understand what the issue being raised is. A bunch of the initial committees are already ASF Members, the proposal does not talk of the initial backers other than in tue ways required by the proposal process and we make it c

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Rave project

2011-02-23 Thread Hadrian Zbarcea
That was discussed a few times in the past month while we were working on the proposal. I believe that's fairly clear to everybody. The project starts with code grants from the organizations mentioned. Hadrian On Feb 23, 2011, at 2:49 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: > On 2/21/2011 5:18 PM, Ate

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Rave project

2011-02-23 Thread Ross Gardler
On 23/02/2011 19:49, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote: On 2/21/2011 5:18 PM, Ate Douma wrote: The Apache Rave project proposal is a joined effort of Hippo, the MITRE Corporation, the Open Gateway Computing Environments project (OGCE), the SURFnet SURFConext Portal project, OSS Watch, and several oth

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Rave project

2011-02-23 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 2/21/2011 5:18 PM, Ate Douma wrote: > > The Apache Rave project proposal is a joined effort of Hippo, the MITRE > Corporation, the > Open Gateway Computing Environments project (OGCE), the SURFnet SURFConext > Portal project, > OSS Watch, and several other individuals. Keep in mind that only

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Rave project

2011-02-23 Thread Upayavira
The silence could mean that everyone hates the idea of this project, but I'm gonna take it to mean that there is simply nothing to complain about, and that everyone is giving their silent consent, and we should soon proceed to a vote :-) Upayavira On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 00:18 +0100, "Ate Douma" wro

[PROPOSAL] Apache Rave project

2011-02-21 Thread Ate Douma
I would like to propose the Apache Rave project to the Incubator PMC. Our draft proposal is appended to the end of this email and is available at: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/RaveProposal The Apache Rave project proposal is a joined effort of Hippo, the MITRE Corporation, the Open Gatewa