Re: [DISCUSS] Drop the 2013 Alternate Voting Policy

2016-12-31 Thread John D. Ament
On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 12:02 AM Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:46 AM, John D. Ament > wrote: > > Pssst really need you guys looking at the proposed replacement > > documentation. > > > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/fab8122d7695e47bacbff680b83eb4ceed98539a7815e2232a

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop the 2013 Alternate Voting Policy

2016-12-30 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 11:46 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > Pssst really need you guys looking at the proposed replacement > documentation. > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/fab8122d7695e47bacbff680b83eb4ceed98539a7815e2232abf5d2f@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E There's a lot here, and with

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop the 2013 Alternate Voting Policy

2016-12-29 Thread John D. Ament
Pssst really need you guys looking at the proposed replacement documentation. https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/fab8122d7695e47bacbff680b83eb4ceed98539a7815e2232abf5d2f@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 1:21 PM Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 12:5

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop the 2013 Alternate Voting Policy

2016-12-29 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 12:53 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 4:29 PM, John D. Ament wrote: >> ...is this a policy we want to keep around?... > > I'm fine with removing it - community Darwinism at work ;-) +1 for the same reason I'm always +1 on removing dead/little used

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop the 2013 Alternate Voting Policy

2016-12-29 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 4:29 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > ...is this a policy we want to keep around?... I'm fine with removing it - community Darwinism at work ;-) -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubato

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop the 2013 Alternate Voting Policy

2016-12-28 Thread John D. Ament
I've taken a stab at incorporating this sentiment into a new guide I'm working on, rather than updating the existing release guides. Explained in the other email. Take a look and let me know if you feel I've misstated anything. John On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 5:04 PM Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote: >

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop the 2013 Alternate Voting Policy

2016-12-27 Thread Stian Soiland-Reyes
On 27 December 2016 at 20:44, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > I'd rather not sanctify exceptions with a precise list, but rather stop at: > > "During incubation, a podling's release package may not be perfect. It ... package may not be fully in compliance with [ASF release policy](https://www.apache.o

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop the 2013 Alternate Voting Policy

2016-12-27 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
I'd rather not sanctify exceptions with a precise list, but rather stop at: "During incubation, a podling's release package may not be perfect. It will be up to mentors and IPMC members to define the appropriate leeway". Or something to that extent. Thanks, Roman. On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 6:03 P

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop the 2013 Alternate Voting Policy

2016-12-26 Thread John D. Ament
On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 12:36 PM Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 7:29 AM, John D. Ament > wrote: > > > This policy as far as I can tell has never been used by any podling. > > It has been used once (by ODF Toolkit). > > > I believe the problem it was trying to solve was getting

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop the 2013 Alternate Voting Policy

2016-12-26 Thread Ted Dunning
On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > > So I was wondering, is this a policy we want to keep around? > > +1 to revert. > > The language was deliberately crafted as an addendum which would be easy to > back out. Ditching it will have no problematic consequences. Sounds right

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop the 2013 Alternate Voting Policy

2016-12-26 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 7:29 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > This policy as far as I can tell has never been used by any podling. It has been used once (by ODF Toolkit). > I believe the problem it was trying to solve was getting binding votes on > releases which has mostly been fixed (release votes

[DISCUSS] Drop the 2013 Alternate Voting Policy

2016-12-26 Thread John D. Ament
All, I felt this required a separate discussion. The incubator maintains something referred to as the 2013 alternate voting policy. You can find the full details starting here: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases This policy as far as I can tell has never been