Re: [VOTE] Retire Wave

2018-01-08 Thread Upayavira
+1 binding(ish) On Mon, 8 Jan 2018, at 7:46 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > +1. (Binding) > > > On Jan 8, 2018, at 10:56 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > > > > All, > > > > This is a call to vote for the retirement of the Wave podling. > > > > The podling has positively voted to retire [1]. I now call up

Re: Podling Graduation Rally

2017-02-21 Thread Upayavira
source code donation, and it has accepted new committers. I am starting to consider that this has to be sufficient activity to justify graduation, although it is certainly on the lower limit. Thoughts? Upayavira On Tue, 14 Feb 2017, at 03:16 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > Upayavira, > > I'

Re: Podling Graduation Rally

2017-02-13 Thread Upayavira
I would appreciate assistance in deciding whether Wave needs more than its current slow, but not stationary, development. Upayavira On Mon, 13 Feb 2017, at 06:07 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > Awesome news, thanks everyone. > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 12:17 PM Suneel Marthi > wrote: &g

Re: Seeking Additional Mentors - Hammock Podling

2016-12-16 Thread Upayavira
John, Can you update the proposal to include a definition of CDI for those of us that don't know what it means? Thanks! Upayavira On Fri, 16 Dec 2016, at 03:03 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking for some additional mentors for a potential new podling - > H

Re: DRAFT report September 2016

2016-09-12 Thread Upayavira
Apologies for my delay. With the following comment I sign off on Wave: "Once more Wave is on the brink of retirement. However, this time, an offer has been made of code from SwellRT, which is a fork of Wave itself, and a concall has been scheduled for interested parties to discuss whether it is a

Re: Final draft of the Incubator Board Report - April 2016

2016-04-11 Thread Upayavira
Regarding Wave, I'm happy to sign off the report, just didn't get time and got stuck regaining access to my wiki account given slow responses from Moin. And yes, if Wave continues in the incubator, it really could do with more mentors. Upayavira On Mon, 11 Apr 2016, at 11:56 AM, Joh

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-25 Thread Upayavira
tly, it is RTC, but not seemingly in the sense you are objecting to. Upayavira On Wed, Nov 25, 2015, at 08:35 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > I think this is a distraction. You said it best the other day: RTC > implies > the need for "permission" before making a change to the codebase.

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-25 Thread Upayavira
review, then another committer must commit it". If we're gonna debate RTC, can we please describe which of these we are talking about (or some other mechanism that I haven't described)? Otherwise, we will end up endlessly debating over the top of each other. Upayavira On Wed, Nov

Re: RTC vs CTR (was: Concerning Sentry...)

2015-11-17 Thread Upayavira
t you mean by CTR or RTC before diving into further discussions about their relative merit. Otherwise we'll get locked into yet another ongoing discussion that leads nowhere! Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: gen

Re: [VOTE] Apache Wave Release 0.4.0-incubating (RC10)

2015-11-08 Thread Upayavira
Ian, Please bear in mind that this release vote is to validate the legal aspects of the release, not its technical merits. Technical merits can be resolved in subsequent releases. Upayavira On Fri, Nov 6, 2015, at 02:51 PM, Ian Dunlop wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash:

Re: Wave - download page links to nightly builds etc

2015-11-03 Thread Upayavira
n the low energy in Wave right now, I'd suggest we roll the above fixes into the process of managing this release. Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: Concerning Sentry: A disagreement over the Apache Way and graduation

2015-11-02 Thread Upayavira
gt; already supposed to get involved? How is this building community? I see > the Sentry podling creating code... just not much evidence of a > community outside what Sentry came in with. I have no comment/perspective on the rest of this. Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: How to get more mentors on podlings

2015-10-24 Thread Upayavira
I think you mean "find". It could, otherwise, get expensive!! Upayavira On Sat, Oct 24, 2015, at 05:17 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > I see this as the Champions role. You could ask for volunteers, and it > will get you folks but you really want people who are invested. As a > cha

Re: How to get more mentors on podlings

2015-10-23 Thread Upayavira
who you maybe know to have an interest. Attempt to sell the project. Whatever ways you can that will interest a potential mentor in signing up. Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For addition

Re: Wiki access

2015-08-05 Thread Upayavira
Done. On Wed, Aug 5, 2015, at 09:59 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: > The userid is RalphGoers. > > Ralph > > > On Aug 4, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Ralph Goers > >> wrote: > >> For some reason I am not able to edit any pages on the incubator wik

Re: [PROPOSAL] Open CRM

2015-05-21 Thread Upayavira
Try now. On Thu, May 21, 2015, at 11:15 AM, shibasis sengupta wrote: > Thanks Upayavira for the suggestion. > > Dear Members, can anyone please grant me access to create a page? My user > name is "shibasis sengupta". > I am trying to submit a project for ASF incu

Re: [PROPOSAL] Open CRM

2015-05-20 Thread Upayavira
provide your username here and someone will grant you write access. Upayavira On Wed, May 20, 2015, at 02:29 PM, shibasis sengupta wrote: > Dear Members, > > When I am trying to create a new page for my proposal I am getting the > error - > " You are not allowed to edit this

Re: [DISCUSS] Whimsy PMC

2015-04-27 Thread Upayavira
n a project that it needs in order to support the work of the Foundation. If that happens to be contributing to an ASF project, so be it. However, they are not gaining any special privilege, they are as it were "paid by an external entity" just like all other contributors to any other ASF p

Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-27 Thread Upayavira
Not that I’m aware of, but sending a pile of emails isn’t out of this world complicated. If you gave me a list of email addresses of people who had explicitly said “subscribe me”, I could do that very easily. Upayavira On Fri, Mar 27, 2015, at 04:57 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > Do we have

Re: [GROOVY] mailing lists are ready, see you there!

2015-03-27 Thread Upayavira
“do that” == “subscribe them" On Fri, Mar 27, 2015, at 05:01 PM, Upayavira wrote: > Not that I’m aware of, but sending a pile of emails isn’t out of this > world complicated. > > If you gave me a list of email addresses of people who had explicitly > said “subscribe me”,

Re: ICLA/CCLA/SGA guidelines for GitHub or multi-entity projects was: [Groovy] Next steps...

2015-03-26 Thread Upayavira
F to do with it what it wants to do. Only the owner of the code can “grant” additional privileges. As we’ve noted, that’s an unclear thing. No-one has the right to speak on behalf of the many contributors to the original codebase without asking their permission first. Fortunately, we don’t need to

Re: [VOTE] Accept Groovy into the Apache Incubator

2015-03-19 Thread Upayavira
+1 Upayavira On Thu, Mar 19, 2015, at 06:55 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > Following the discussion earlier in the thread: >http://s.apache.org/KWE > > I would like to call a VOTE for accepting Groovy > as a new incubator project. > > The proposal is avai

Re: [DISCUSS] Groovy Incubation proposal

2015-03-17 Thread Upayavira
the vote will run for. Upayavira On Tue, Mar 17, 2015, at 06:27 PM, Pascal Schumacher wrote: > Hi everybody, > > when will the voting start? Or if it did start already when will there > be decision? > > Thanks and kind

Re: [DISCUSS] Groovy Incubation proposal

2015-03-16 Thread Upayavira
When Stephen Connolly says ”We @ Maven will have a full dump of the Codehaus JIRA and we have a VM set up to test migration…” isn’t he implying that the Groovy issues are *included* in that? I.e. there’s not so much for you to worry about here? Upayavira On Sat, Mar 14, 2015, at 12:13 AM, Jochen

Re: Wave community may need our help

2015-03-14 Thread Upayavira
; On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 10:43 AM, Ted Dunning > > wrote: > > > Upayavira, > > > > > > Mind if I add your comment to the wave report? > > > > The report for March has been filed already. I've initialized the wiki > > template for our April repo

Re: Wave community may need our help

2015-03-14 Thread Upayavira
Although, I should also make this point directly on wave-dev. I have long been quiet there, and it would be unfair for this to arise without their prior warning. Upayavira On Sat, Mar 14, 2015, at 08:42 PM, Upayavira wrote: > Please do. > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2015, at 06:54 PM, Ted Dunn

Re: Wave community may need our help

2015-03-13 Thread Upayavira
the project. Reluctantly, I would be supportive of moving the project elsewhere. Upayavira On Fri, Mar 13, 2015, at 06:39 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > Hi Roman, > > you might have noticed, that one of the mentors (me) were actively > asking for this report. I simply forgot to si

Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-08 Thread Upayavira
example, a normal TLP produce an incubated or provisional product? Upayavira On Fri, Mar 6, 2015, at 03:00 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > On 3/4/15 1:41 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Doug Cutting > <mailto:cutt...@apache.org>> wrote: >

Re: proposal: mentor re-boot

2015-01-07 Thread Upayavira
sh a podling, that does a active job to replace a > mentor. The IPMC *cannot* replace a mentor. We have no power to make someone take on that role. Alan, please add a section to your doc about the fact that podlings retain responsibility for engaging with their mentors, and for recruiting replacemen

Re: Podlings should be in charge of their mentors (was: Incubator report sign-off)

2015-01-05 Thread Upayavira
'd much rather we be clear with projects right up front, saying something like: "To join the Incubator, you need one or more mentors. To get to graduation, you will need the support of those mentors. If mentors become unavailable, you will need to seek replacements. Unless you have already learned the ways of the ASF and are ready to graduate, you will need to keep engaged with your mentors. If possible, engage in the wider ASF, and develop connections with others who might be in a position to assist with mentorship should one or all of your current mentors become unable to fulfill the role. " This is, actually, what happens, and I'd much rather we just said it like that :-) Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: Podlings should be in charge of their mentors (was: Incubator report sign-off)

2015-01-05 Thread Upayavira
cubator PMC has the ability to "assign" people to a project, which is simply never going to happen. The best we can do is provide as much guidance to projects about how to engage their mentors, and how best to attract replacements when those mentors go awol, or leave gracefully. That much t

Re: Reflections from the outgoing Chair

2015-01-01 Thread Upayavira
lso - that knowledge and ability shouldn't be locked into the incubator PMC. That seems the one missing piece as yet undiscussed in the various "disband the incubator" discussions. Upayavira On Thu, Jan 1, 2015, at 01:41 AM, John D. Ament wrote: > Roman, > > Thank

Re: P. An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand

2014-12-24 Thread Upayavira
that sort of situation. Upayavira On Wed, Dec 24, 2014, at 03:33 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 11:25 PM, Ted Dunning > wrote: > > ...Of course, it isn't politic to ask a high profile mentor to recuse > > themselves for lack of helping &

Re: P. An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand

2014-12-22 Thread Upayavira
iance upon salaried developers" with "Please detail the spread of volunteer vs paid contributor amongst the proposed committers". etc, etc. Sure, people will work out what the "expected" answers are, but I always felt that there was something definitely wrong with the topic hea

Re: Tooling friendly incubator report

2014-09-04 Thread Upayavira
ought, Upayavira On Wed, Sep 3, 2014, at 10:33 PM, Alan D. Cabrera wrote: > > On Sep 3, 2014, at 2:11 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Marvin Humphrey > > wrote: > > > >> So how about creating the web form but having it generate

Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria

2014-06-24 Thread Upayavira
ty otherwise. > > That said, reminding people of the "release often and early" thing is > good to do, > but also have in mind that incubator releases are very difficult to > make. Unlike Christian (another Wave mentor :-) ), I am generally in support of this proposal. If a

Re: Request for mentor assessment

2014-06-12 Thread Upayavira
have wanted to stay here, and mentors have considered this acceptable. Upayavira On Thu, Jun 12, 2014, at 12:33 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > Hi! > > I would like to kindly request some assistance > from the mentors of the following projects: devicemap, > kalumet, s4, wave and np

Re: When to sign-off on Incubator reports?

2014-04-08 Thread Upayavira
FWIW as far as I am concerned, you can 'conditionally' sign off on a report, that is, with comments, if there's things you need to say. Upayavira On Tue, Apr 8, 2014, at 12:17 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > The podling in question is Stratos. > > There was a lengthy disc

Re: [PROPOSAL] Stratosphere

2014-04-07 Thread Upayavira
I would suggest doing the vote and the name discussion simultaneously. Hopefully the name discussion can be resolved by the time infra is ready to do its stuff. It really is a good idea to avoid extra infra work, and multiple mailing list changes, if it can be helped. Upayavira On Tue, Apr 8

Re: IP Clearance before releasing

2013-12-12 Thread Upayavira
g the foundation's policies doesn't. Upayavira On Thu, Dec 12, 2013, at 05:51 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:50 AM, ant elder wrote: > > > And the Incubator _is_ different and does have different policy and > > rules, hence on occasion podlings bei

Re: [VOTE] Phoenix for Apache Incubator

2013-12-04 Thread Upayavira
started by the champion or proposed mentors of the project. Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

How long is too long in the incubator?

2013-11-29 Thread Upayavira
stay present with the podling. Does anyone here disagree with that sentiment? Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [OT] Release vote thresholds

2013-11-23 Thread Upayavira
Currently listed at 180+. Upayavira On Sat, Nov 23, 2013, at 10:17 AM, Sergio Fernández wrote: > On 23/11/13 09:30, ant elder wrote: > > (...) The Incubator PMC is so big and diverse now (...) > > Sorry, off-topic, but interesting for me to get a better understanding > of the

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-17 Thread Upayavira
Marvin, you have my wholehearted agreement. Upayavira On Sun, Nov 17, 2013, at 07:18 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > 1) I think there is more to PPMC membership than just voting on releases. > > I'm sure that everyo

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-17 Thread Upayavira
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013, at 03:41 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > On 11/17/13 3:17 AM, "Upayavira" wrote: > > > > >With a two tier model - with PPMC membership granting voting rights on > >podling releases, then a podling would start with just mentors on i

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-17 Thread Upayavira
we're at it. Sure, it'll probably be alright, but best to offer someone something at a point when they have some appreciation of what they are joining, no? Upayavira On Sun, Nov 17, 2013, at 01:24 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > Joining a PMC does not meaning being handed even one o

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-17 Thread Upayavira
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013, at 04:59 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > On 11/16/13 8:47 AM, "Upayavira" wrote: > > > > > > > > >Alex, > > > >I'm not sure I see the difference between a release auditor and an IPMC > >member. If someon

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-16 Thread Upayavira
k either, and > solutions need to be found to somehow get those mentors to find the time > to meet their obligations. Alex, I'm not sure I see the difference between a release auditor and an IPMC member. If someone is sufficiently clued up to audit a release, then they're surely ready to join the Incubator PMC. Am I missing something? My interest is in a lesser level of involvement, where someone has shown merit within their own PPMC and can get a binding vote there, but no-where else. That feels to me like a very useful intermediate step to have. Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-13 Thread Upayavira
he size of the merit granted fit the stage at which an individual is at. I presume #4 is: Three +1 votes from PPMC members required. Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: Majority vs Lazy Majority

2013-11-09 Thread Upayavira
can > the count votes of those who assent. Isn't lazy majority simply "at least 3 +1 votes"? Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [IMO] There are no Incubator issues

2013-11-08 Thread Upayavira
Whoops. Wrong email. Oh well. Creating that video was fun anyway. Upayavira On Fri, Nov 8, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Upayavira wrote: > Thanks for that! > > Here's another that someone posted: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EfnGMEjgK4&feature=youtu.be > > Upayavira >

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-08 Thread Upayavira
PMC) that just doesn't quite fit, rather than seeking a structure that will suit the both the incubator and the foundation, allowing merit to be recognised in individuals at a range of stages within a podlings lifecycle. Upayavira -

Re: [IMO] There are no Incubator issues

2013-11-08 Thread Upayavira
Thanks for that! Here's another that someone posted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EfnGMEjgK4&feature=youtu.be Upayavira On Fri, Nov 8, 2013, at 06:49 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Martijn Dashorst > wrote: > > The short guide to graduation

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-07 Thread Upayavira
need to inform the board of the change of composition of 'sub-committees'? My thought is that if we can clarify what is legally possible, we will be better placed to find the appropriate model for the incubator that fits within those legal/bylaw bounds. Upayavira On Fri, Nov 8, 2013, a

Re: [PROPOSAL] Weave for Apache Incubator

2013-10-29 Thread Upayavira
And Apache Wave too (which is what I first saw before I read the title more carefully). Upayavira On Tue, Oct 29, 2013, at 09:12 PM, Matt Benson wrote: > Hi, > I am concerned about potential confusion with Apache Commons Weaver > [1]. > > Matt > > [1] https://comm

Re: [IP CLEARANCE] BigCouch

2013-06-26 Thread Upayavira
you willing to start a new thread expressing your issues with that document? Thanks, Upayavira On Wed, Jun 26, 2013, at 08:22 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I don't think I've seen the template before, or it was too long ago and I > failed to notice at the time. > >

Re: [PROPOSAL] Mandatory podling exit interviews

2013-06-21 Thread Upayavira
On Fri, Jun 21, 2013, at 01:52 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 2:18 AM, Upayavira wrote: > > > As in any such survey, author identity should be optional. Sometimes it > > can be deduced, but not always, and if someone would rather not mention > > th

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Wave 0.4 based on RC3

2013-06-20 Thread Upayavira
as a PMC in training, their votes are considered important. In Wave so far, all committers are also PPMC members, so Ali could have just labelled folks 'PPMC' instead of 'committer' and Joe's concern would have been addressed. Upayavira On Fri, Jun 21, 2013, at 01:14 AM

Re: Instead of a Bill how about a Booklet? (was Re: [DISCUSS] PodlingBillOfRights)

2013-06-20 Thread Upayavira
something you can be judged against is useful. Upayavira On Thu, Jun 20, 2013, at 10:37 PM, Rob Vesse wrote: > I have written up the suggestions so far into a wiki page > > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/WhatToExpect > > The content is pretty much what has been included in this threa

Re: Instead of a Bill how about a Booklet? (was Re: [DISCUSS] PodlingBillOfRights)

2013-06-20 Thread Upayavira
on the incubator general list. If the optic is too sensitive to discuss in public (eg a potential committer) you may contact the incubator ombudsman at x...@apache.org. Upayavira On Thu, Jun 20, 2013, at 05:40 PM, Rob Vesse wrote: > +1 > > Having also come to Apache by joining a now

Re: [PROPOSAL] Mandatory podling exit interviews

2013-06-20 Thread Upayavira
Anomnity of the individual not the project. I can say "my mentor was crap" without stating my name - I could be any one of the PPMC. Upayavira On Thu, Jun 20, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 10:18:16AM +0100, Upayavira wrote: > > > >

Re: [PROPOSAL] Mandatory podling exit interviews

2013-06-20 Thread Upayavira
t; attempt at anonymization will be dangerously futile. As in any such survey, author identity should be optional. Sometimes it can be deduced, but not always, and if someone would rather not mention their name, we should give them that opportunity. Upayavira ---

Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman

2013-06-19 Thread Upayavira
Alexei, To answer your two points. Firstly they may want to complain in private. Without that option they may just suffer in silence. As to your Eco-champion idea, can I suggest you add it to the wiki page Bertrand created? Upayavira On Wed, Jun 19, 2013, at 06:50 AM, Alexei Fedotov wrote

Re: Stratos proposal: is it possible to add another initial committer?

2013-06-18 Thread Upayavira
proposal that was current at the time the vote was initiated. As I understand it, if the change was Sanjiva saying he won't claim the trademark, then that's great - he can say it here, or update the proposal doc or whatever, to reassure people, but the relevant document was essentially fix

Re: Permission to add a page to the Incubator wiki

2013-06-17 Thread Upayavira
Done. On Mon, Jun 17, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Klevenz, Stephan wrote: > Hello, > > May I have permission to add and edit OData proposal on the Incubator > wiki? My username is StephanKlevenz. > > Thanks! > > Stephan - To unsubscri

Re: [DISCUSS] PodlingBillOfRights

2013-06-16 Thread Upayavira
annot recruit replacements? Can we make any promises at that point? Upayavira On Sun, Jun 16, 2013, at 03:16 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > Since I realize that most of you can't be > bothered to look at the wiki page I created ;-), > I'll go ahead and post the current content > here

Re: Incubator reorg ideas: sub-groups per technology?

2013-06-15 Thread Upayavira
tification, which are important to community building. Upayavira On Fri, Jun 14, 2013, at 11:58 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > Apologies if this horse has been beaten already, but... have we > discussed the concept of splitting incubator operations into a handful > of separate groups, based

Re: Write permission to https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2013?

2013-06-11 Thread Upayavira
Done. On Tue, Jun 11, 2013, at 06:58 PM, Andrew Bayer wrote: > Hey all - > > Could I get write permission to the wiki, specifically for > https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2013 and the like? Username is > AndrewBayer. > > A. --

Re: Looking for a Champion

2013-06-06 Thread Upayavira
that 'competitors' don't, such that potential mentors will feel motivated to support the project. Upayavira On Thu, Jun 6, 2013, at 07:17 AM, Alexei Fedotov wrote: > There is no requirement to be different to join, I just wonder > 06.06.2013 9:36 пользователь

Re: Process of adding a proposal to the incubator wiki

2013-05-29 Thread Upayavira
You need to let us know your wiki username, and we will grant you write access. Upayavira On Wed, May 29, 2013, at 03:48 PM, Afkham Azeez wrote: > Hi folks, > Can somebody let me know what is the process of obtaining write access to > the incubator wiki? I need to add an incubator

Re: What's the difference between dormant and retired?

2013-05-27 Thread Upayavira
I think it was just a question of 'retiring' sounding too final. Using the word 'dormant' was less threatening, and made it more feasible for the podlings to go, well, dormant. Upayavira On Mon, May 27, 2013, at 05:39 PM, Alan Cabrera wrote: > They kinda sound the same. W

Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

2013-05-07 Thread Upayavira
that happens, I'd say it would be a good thing for mentors/champions to take some of that load off the incubator PMC. It need merely be a reply to a Marvin 'are you there' email. Upayavira On Tue, May 7, 2013, at 04:37 PM, Tim Williams wrote: > On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Benso

Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

2013-05-05 Thread Upayavira
or a mentor for that matter, and this proposal moves gently in that direction. If folks approve, we'll need to seek champions for all existing podlings, and decide what to do about those for which we cannot identify one. Upayavira On Mon, May 6, 2013, at 02:56 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: &

Re: April report filed

2013-04-21 Thread Upayavira
You could add an {acl} entry to the top of the page restricting write access to AdminGroup - that'd achieve making it read-only. Upayavira On Sun, Apr 21, 2013, at 03:53 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > On Sat, Apr 20, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Dave Fisher > wrote: > > > Does ht

Re: [PROPOSAL] TL;DR editors

2013-04-09 Thread Upayavira
This is an interesting idea. It does, however, assume that the person who starts a thread is able to be sufficiently neutral to represent the whole story, rather than their own particular take on it. Such summarisation is something of an art. Upayavira On Tue, Apr 9, 2013, at 02:15 PM, Alan

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-04-04 Thread Upayavira
rogress, which is the task that the board has delegated to the Incubator PMC already. An amalgam of the various approaches already suggested. As I said, just a thought. Upayavira On Thu, Apr 4, 2013, at 09:06 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Ross Gardler > wrote:

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-04-02 Thread Upayavira
articulate the problems do you see the incubator as having, that need to be solved? That is, without (yet) suggesting how it should be fixed? I'd be very curious to hear how you see it. Upayavira On Tue, Apr 2, 2013, at 02:00 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Niall, > > First o

Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-03-31 Thread Upayavira
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013, at 07:12 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:13 AM, Upayavira wrote: > > We need one set who are 'incubator people' and another who are 'mentors'. > > Disenfranchising mentors and hoarding power within a small c

Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus)

2013-03-31 Thread Upayavira
s we can get, and a smaller group of people who are delegated responsibility for the incubator. The board wants a group of folks to take responsibility for overseeing the early life of communities at the ASF. These are, to my mind, the criteria that we should be using to evaluate any suggestions as to how the incubator should be structured. If it doesn't meet these, it won't float. Judging the success of any new structure will be easy: does it create peace and quiet (and more effective working) like the breakup of the PRC did?? Upayavira - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org

Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus

2013-03-27 Thread Upayavira
rding is a new thing, loosely based upon an approach that the board has used for some time. I'm sure it is largely undocumented. I suspect that generally speaking it is incubator PMC members that do shepherding, but if someone reads reports and

Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus

2013-03-25 Thread Upayavira
much bigger > pool of potential mentors, and IPMC'ers would get much more visibility > of people as they work here which should make the PMC voting easier. The structural problem here is that at the ASF, it is only PMC members whose votes are bindi

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-25 Thread Upayavira
entored project X", and I see myself listed with karma on projects I mentored, which gives me kudos in the outside world. I'd personally rather not loose that kudos, it is kinda cool. Yet, do we want to 'give that' in return for zero activity? Did they really mentor project X?

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-24 Thread Upayavira
I really appreciate. So sure, let's not force out people who are having a bad month or something, but surely we should only be listing as mentors those that are actually paying some attention to the podling? Upayavira On Sat, Mar 23, 2013, at 11:59 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > I'd sugge

Re: Write access on wiki

2013-03-07 Thread Upayavira
Done On Thu, Mar 7, 2013, at 08:49 PM, Devaraj Das wrote: > Could I please get write access on the wiki content under > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/. My username is DevarajDas. > > Thanks > Devaraj - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Patches from contributors: missing ASF license inclusion?

2013-03-04 Thread Upayavira
s I understand it, be sufficient. That is my understanding of the discussion that happened around the time when the JIRA tick-box was removed: it isn't needed. Upayavira On Mon, Mar 4, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Mohammad Nour El-Din wrote: > Hi > > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Matthieu Mor

Re: No more existing-TLP graduations (was: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator)

2013-02-27 Thread Upayavira
into its own. The process of creating a new community and integrating one into another are completely different tasks that require differing approaches. Have I got it right? Upayavira On Wed, Feb 27, 2013, at 05:52 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote: > Hi Dave, > > On 2/27/13 9:44 AM

Re: [PROPOSAL] Knox Hadoop Gateway Project

2013-02-13 Thread Upayavira
tors also makes sense, as these are people they are going to be working with. Just some reflections. Upayavira On Wed, Feb 13, 2013, at 12:27 AM, Josh Wills wrote: > I thought that the need for diversity referred to the community, not to > the > mentors. > > I strongly advocate

Re: Getting IPMC members to vote Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Bloodhound 0.4 (incubating)

2013-01-25 Thread Upayavira
they want, which could well be just the feeling that they have contributed something of value to the world. Upayavira On Fri, Jan 25, 2013, at 12:13 PM, Gary Martin wrote: > On 24 January 2013 18:52, Benson Margulies wrote: > > > If you model the IPMC as a group of volunteers

Re: More and better report nagging

2012-12-18 Thread Upayavira
On Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Benson Margulies wrote: > On Tue, Dec 18, 2012 at 5:21 AM, Upayavira wrote: > > Personally, I'm not against nagging. Actually, when I'm on the receiving > > end, I usually appreciate it, as timeliness is not a quality I am widely >

Re: More and better report nagging

2012-12-18 Thread Upayavira
We encourage (more earlier in the process of incubation, less later) and if after a few nags they don't do it, then DNR is just fine. Upayavira On Tue, Dec 18, 2012, at 09:04 AM, David Crossley wrote: > Tim Williams wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:48 PM, Benson Margulies >

Re: Some missing things for the December report

2012-12-09 Thread Upayavira
I hereby note my sign off of the wave report, and ask for a volunteer to update the wiki page on my behalf. My currently available technology is simply not up to the task. Thx, Upayavira On Sun, Dec 9, 2012, at 04:03 PM, Yegor Kozlov wrote: > I signed off the report for Openmeetings. > &

Re: December reporting: All Mentors Please Sign Off and general note

2012-12-02 Thread Upayavira
Yes, true, but any invitation to communicate such difficulties is welcome IMO. Upayavira On Sun, Dec 2, 2012, at 02:37 AM, Tim Williams wrote: > On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Benson Margulies > wrote: > > First of several reminders: > > > > For podlings reporting in

Re: Anticipating my reign of terror -- new idea for December

2012-11-04 Thread Upayavira
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 07:49 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > Upayavira wrote on Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 06:48:28 +: > > Having said that, I personally would like to see some kind of separation > > between mentors and the incubator PMC. I think th PMC should be a > > smaller,

Re: Anticipating my reign of terror -- new idea for December

2012-11-04 Thread Upayavira
hough. Upayavira On Mon, Nov 5, 2012, at 03:20 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Benson Margulies > wrote: > > I want to thank all of you for the vote(s) of confidence in recommending me > > as the IPMC chair. While it's always possible that th

Re: [DISCUSS] Jr. Mentor role

2012-10-11 Thread Upayavira
might help with. It is not uncommon for mentors to feel stretched, and thus might appreciate some help with their mentoring duties. Upayavira On Thu, Oct 11, 2012, at 06:19 AM, Luciano Resende wrote: > On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > > Hi! > > > > ever

Re: How to handle non-OS jars in repository

2012-10-06 Thread Upayavira
good question, and probably one for legal-discuss. It seems that most of the time deleting from svn is enough, although that's not a definitive statement! Upayavira On Wed, Oct 3, 2012, at 11:16 PM, Noah Slater wrote: > We have a situation with CloudStack where we have some jars th

Re: How to handle non-OS jars in repository

2012-10-01 Thread Upayavira
This is something I recall from clarifications by Roy some while back - made a lot of sense to me. I'm not aware of it being documented anywhere, nor am I aware of it having been collectively agreed. If we can work out where, I'd be happy to write it up. Upayavira On Mon, Oct 1, 2012

Re: How to handle non-OS jars in repository

2012-10-01 Thread Upayavira
patibility issues that exist before code is checked in. Upayavira On Mon, Oct 1, 2012, at 01:14 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: > Podling frequently check in dubious IP as part of initial imports, and > then clean up HEAD later. I've never seen any evidence of a more &

Re: How to handle non-OS jars in repository

2012-10-01 Thread Upayavira
up to the copyright holder (assuming they knew it was there at all). Upayavira On Sun, Sep 30, 2012, at 11:14 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote: > If you've not released it and you've deleted it from HEAD of all > branches, I think you're fine. > > Noah Slater wrote on Sun

Re: Wave: A Shepherd's View

2012-09-14 Thread Upayavira
technically valid or useful release. That said, a release that is full of holes might actually have the counter-intuitive effect of drawing in fresh developers who want to fix those holes. Upayavira On Fri, Sep 14, 2012, at 02:01 PM, Franklin, Matthew B. wrote: > Is there anything that could

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