Since you need a community to work on it, I'd suggest that you ask in the
Hadoop project to see if there are interested parties.
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Subject: Need some help to bring a
I've been aware of Guacamole for several years. Definitely keen to see it join
the ASF.
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+1, Job well done.
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Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache Lucene.Net ready for graduation?
+1
(Sen
I believe that we can call this vote, now, and request that the Board
install Jukka as the new PMC Chair.
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Over the past month, there has been a lot of discussion within the
Incubator. We have voted in a new PMC Chair, Jukka Zitting, who will be
rotating out of the PMC Chair position of JackRabbit.
There has been a lot of discussion over the future of the Incubator. Under
one proposal, the Board woul
Ross Gardler wrote:
> I'm ready to vote, but Chris said "it looks like the remaining folks
> (including me) that were in the running have aligned beyond the
> following nominee:" Where is the mail from Noel saying he is no longer
> standing? Have I missed something
+1
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rt working on the re-org proposal. We'll need to
vote on it, but there seems to be interest in that direction.
However, please note that the re-org still has a position that is at least
analogous. You would not be getting off so e
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > I intend to nominate Noel J. Bergman
> I will leave my hat in the ring ...
But as others will have noted, if the proposed re-organization is to move
forward, I personally recommend Bill Rowe for the role, or Chris Mattman if
Bill won't take it. That new
> I just wanted to chime in with a +1 for the general direction.
+1 from me, too.
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he he would take the role at least long enough to see the new
re-org structure put into place and up-and-running.
Bill, what say you?
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> I intend to nominate Noel J. Bergman
I will leave my hat in the ring, but also note that a number of people have
expressed that not only is it time to vote for the Incubator PMC Chair, but
also that it is time for new, different, energy and ideas in that role. So
those people would certai
> > I need to say that your [Jukka] work here is great. Thanks.
+1
> one doesn't need to be a PMC chair to invest some time in podling review and
> followup. :-)
:-)
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I'm not going to make an issue of it.
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Robert Burrell Donkin asked:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > A call for nominations for Incubator PMC Chair was started on the
private@
> > list. The nomination process should be open to the Incubator community.
> "What qualities does a good Incubator Chair need?" - Rob
al.
The call for nominations came up on the private list while I was on
vacation, so upon returning, I forwarded it to the community, where it
belongs.
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This belongs on general@ ...
A call for nominations for Incubator PMC Chair was started on the private@
list. The nomination process should be open to the Incubator community.
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A number of substantive issues came up during the past month.
First, and although it was raised on the private list and therefore details
won't be part of the public report, we advise the Board that there is
substantial discussion regarding changing the Incubator VP, which has been
held for almost
n requirements.
What can we do to help push them in the right direction?
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Roy T. Fielding wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > The ASF is not about code; it is about community. If a community forks,
or otherwise emerges around a codebase, we are not accepting the CODE: we
are accepting the COMMUNITY.
> One company is not a community.
As you've other
ever else you wrote. I even accept that I might well
be the only person who reads the whole report.
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;take back" control, would we refuse a COMMUNITY-based project based on that
codebase?
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We've all been aware that the Incubator has been growing more than
graduating, over the years. Last month, Sam started a discussion regarding
being more proactive and pushing projects out of the nest, basically one way
or another, after a year. A real issue is pushing out those really ready to
gr
done after 365 days?
> Meanwhile, I will personally focus on JSPWiki.
I would have expected that one done long ago. And some of the ones on your
list are actually dead. Perhaps just not yet buried, which I would agree falls
under the term of garbage collec
> Some reports missing: HISE, Kato, Wave.
If they are not posted by tomorrow AM, the report is going in without them.
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> Our next report is due in December, not October.
Nu? So where is it?
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lly need to be finished by the end of
the FIRST week of the month.
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Notwithstanding the fact that members of the Board are active within the
Incubator, there are no issues requiring Board attention or intervention.
We are, however, recognizing that we've had growth issues of our own. As
David Crossley pointed out, he made mistakes last month related to the
Report
Weird ... that was posted to my output queue on Monday. :-( No big deal.
Just a clarification that Wave wasn't missing.
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Most of the general discussion on the Incubator list over the past month was
how to improve the usability of the Incubator web-site.
S4 (Simple Scalable Streaming System) -- a general-purpose, distributed,
scalable, partially fault-tolerant, pluggable platform that allows
programmers to easily dev
Most of the general discussion on the Incubator list over the past month was
how to improve the usability of the Incubator web-site.
S4 (Simple Scalable Streaming System) -- a general-purpose, distributed,
scalable, partially fault-tolerant, pluggable platform that allows
programmers to easily dev
es in there (7th and 16th).
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enough to put out releases, but failed to report. Wave has been
active enough to discuss their next steps, but failed to report.
What should be done with these projects? Which one(s) should be retired?
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Most of the general discussion on the Incubator list over the past month was
how to improve the usability of the Incubator web-site.
S4 (Simple Scalable Streaming System) -- a general-purpose, distributed,
scalable, partially fault-tolerant, pluggable platform that allows
programmers to easily dev
> No... Knowing Noel, he was not opening anything. He was speaking to
> general principles about how the Incubator works.
+1
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The flood of Hadoop related projects continues with new Incubator projects:
* HMS (now Ambari), a monitoring, administration and lifecycle management
project for Apache Hadoop clusters
* Accumulo, a sorted, distributed key/value store based on Google's
BigTable design, and built on top of Hadoop
ivate list can identify the addresses as
> legitimate.
Or we could preload the mailing list.
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munity, and see what
options for collaboration and/or merger exist as it proceeds.
As for some of the other comments, Accumulo will be held to the same
standards as every other project, and will be required to exhibit The Apache
Way.
--
Bluesky was retired by vote of the Incubator PMC. The project just never
managed to adjust to the ASF's community-orientation.
Olio likewise seems prime for retirement.
HISE (Human Tasks for WS-BPEL) again failed to report (that was an issue in
February as well). Activity has picked up aomewhat
I don't see anything that suggests the community is viable. No response to
Hen's ping, for example.
Should we move ahead with moving the project to dormant status? Do we have
provenance such that we can leave a read-only SVN?
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> Er, have you explicitly told the Bluesky lists that the repo is about to
> be deleted?
> Alternatively, we can simply turn off write access [to] ensure it's not
> actively developed, but that it's available.
Are we deleting or moving to an attic-type sect
pdate?
I went by the roster on the Wiki page, which had you listed for July.
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> I have added it now for OGNL.
> it was a mentor failure - the project has written its
> report and ask mentors to sign it and add it to the wiki.
> And we mentors all forgot.
Too late for this month. Please add it to the August wiki page, and update
date it as necessary.
I see no development in 18 months. Is it time to terminate?
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OGNL, Olio (2 cycles in a row), Rave, VXQuery (also two cycles in a row) are
all missing.
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Bill Stoddard wrote:
> I would like to see this vote suspended until we can get some feedback
> from Jack Cai re whether he is willing to be a mentor.
I concur that we should suspend this vote pending the outcome of the
project's attempt to reboot.
't need a new Mentor to do those things. Demonstrate change and
we'll try to help you succeed.
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hould see:
1) All current code in the ASF repository.
2) All development via ASF accounts (get the rest of the people signed
up).
3) Ddevelopment discussion on the mailing list.
4) All licensing issues cleaned up.
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Chris,
This is related to why it also matters how you get and verify your browser.
If someone were to successfully distribute a build of Firefox or Chrome with
bogus root certs, they could potentially do a lot of damage.
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res. That calls for KEYS somewhere else than inside the package."
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It seems to me to be a bad idea to distribute keys with releases. And don't
we already have some ASF-wide policy for managing keys?
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There are some which indicate that their sole impediment to graduation is
community size. Has there been any consideration of the Hadoop TLP picking
them up as sub-projects?
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The Incubator PMC now totals 143 members, with some additional requests
(joining and a resignation) pending. Recent changes include Peter Royal and
Phil Steitz (pending) dropping off; and Shane Curcuru, Srinath Perera,
Nicolas Lalevee, Marvin Humphrey, Michael McCandless, Nigel Daley, Tommaso
Teof
What is preventing Etch from graduating?
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cy
discussion with them. Do you wish to do that, or ask Bill?
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We can take that up with the community. They've certainly had their struggles,
but seem to come back sporadically.
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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 6:49
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If that is the recommendation, check with the community to see if there is any
pushback, and depending on result we'll vote on it.
Thanks for taking the time to get this going. :-)
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I know that it is early (as in the earliest that the meeting could possibly
happen), but we're late. BeanValidation, Bluesky, Isis, and Wave are all
missing from the Wiki.
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ppreciate clarification of
licensing, the actual removal of non-freely licensed plug-ins hardly increases
the freedom of the end-user. It is like banning the use of nvidia drivers for
licensing purity.
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ntial security related matters
that might exist.
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code"? I can appreciate your concern over potential submarine patents -- we do
have a clause to address that -- but how is REMOVAL of a problem a potential
detriment?
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in Europe and many
> other jurisdictions anyway
That's unclear to me. My hope is that if everyone outside of the US were to
outright ban software patents and completely ignore American IP claims on such,
that it would remove their value a
that is best done in the
> confines of a podling, on the podling's public dev list.
Well, started perhaps with ASF Legal, and then discussed as determined
appropriate by our lawyers. Which suggests to me that Sam ought to quietly
take the lead on this issue, and we should put it aside
rid of our broken US
patent system. Please stop using the meme that software patents make Americans
happy.
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f issues to resolve, but from what I have heard on- and
off-line, they can be worked out on the project's own mailing lists.
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a la Google Code or other.
I do agree that I'd like to see the Board and Membership weigh in on that
discussion if/when it ever becomes one.
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tors with noted strength
> in these areas.
> if say, another 2 or so IPMC members who have complementary strengths
> in one or more of the above areas, I'd welcome their assistance.
If she's amenable, perhap
t had time for other than a couple of get-away weekends,
so far.
> definitely too much e-mails the past days.
Yes. Lots of mail getting swamped by the OOo discussion. Even knowing that
your e-mail was here, I had to do a search to find it.
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As long as I have decent Internet access (and no firewall
keeping me from SSH), I'm "in the office."
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and ODF).
Again, this is up to the project and the needs of its participants. But you
appear to be ignoring the need for a permissively licensed product codebase
on behalf of some members of the proposed community.
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rge community actively engaged in working on the code
under a non-permissive license.
- Code can only flow from permissive to non-permissive.
Alternative suggestions as to HOW to collaborate are welcomed.
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before you read the code,
> > figure out how to build it or even figure out what you want to try to
> > do with it and how.
Again, the people coming here are the WE. Those who join the Community. And
those WE have read the code, do builds, etc.
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Sam Ruby wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > Core development would happen at the ASF. Everyone: IBMer, TDFer, and
> > other alike would be welcomed to contribute to the core code, under
> > our license, and to incorporate their own downstream changes under
> > th
done here, and for TDF to be
a downstream consumer.
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ther alike would be welcomed to contribute to the core code, under
> > our license, and to incorporate their own downstream changes under
> > their own license. From that perspective, TDF and IBM would be equal
> > players, each with
conflate trademark issues with collaboration on the code. That
just defocuses attention from the necessary issues, IMO.
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award a contracts to providers who
want
> to serve up OOo code.
No, I do not believe that we can, given both our fundemental beliefs in Open
Source and our tax status. ANYONE can take the code for ANY PURPOSE,
including distribution. But at least part of that question can be run by
the lawyer
r downstream builds.
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ome people have also suggested that *IF* TDF were to change
that license choice (and *IF* it *can*), how that might impact beneficially.
I'm not sure if I've actually seen a single negative thing said about TDF.
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Allen Pulsifer wrote:
> I think your labels "Conclusion" and "Supporting statements" are incorrect
To the contrary, Cor indicates that I nailed the matter quite squarely.
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Cor Nouws wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote (06-06-11 23:51)
>> Conclusion:
>>
>> "I do not believe the ASF is likely to provide a good home for the
>> OO.o project in the long run."
>>
>> Supporting statements:
>> [...]
>
> Supporti
w the connection between the license and your
conclusion. As an Epistemologist, I'm kind of interested in such nits.
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Drew,
> Quick note: I'll be staffing the TDF/LibreOffice table at SELF
> (Southeast Linux Fest) in Spartanburg, South Carolina this coming
> weekend.
I can't make it for this weekend, but keep me in mind for future, local,
activities
didn't balk when Felix (nee Oscar) was proposed. We didn't balk in other
cases. We have never picked winners, we have incubated projects and let the
community pick the winners. I don't see a reason to change our philosophy
now.
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e were the runner-up in
> > a sense. Taxes were not an issue...
> I do not see where the demands were "unpalatable":
Well, "We believe that the MPL (over say an Apache license) as a copy-left
license, is crucial to community growth and acceptance, and has proved
itself with Mo
Ian Lynch wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman:
> > Sam Ruby wrote:
> > > From my perspective, I think the license discussion is the essential
> > > one. TDF is now in the position where it has a historic opportunity
> > > to change their license to the Apache Lice
F can
unilaterally relicense all contributions.
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Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Allen Pulsifer wrote:
> > As a long time member of the OpenOffice.org community, I would like to
offer
> > my thoughts on the Oracle/IBM proposal.
> Thanks for the very well-written and well-reasoned post.
+1
Charles H. Schulz wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > Oracle's move with OO.o will fully open the project to all participants
> > and use-cases, including those who might previously have had to enter
> > into alternate, paid, licensing arrangements with the copyright ho
king
closely over the years with the Subversion team, has done wonders to get
Subversion working for the ASF. We've often been their canary in the coal
mine. :-)
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Florian Effenberger wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > If there is a community split, that decision will rest solely on those
> > who choose not to join our all-inclusive environment.
> So, if TDF does not join the Apache OOo project, a community split is
> our (=TDF) f
n the project. This need not be a miss opportunity to re-unite; it is
STILL an opportunity to reunite.
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Incubator Report May 2011
The Incubator continues to accept and graduate projects a pace. This month
we have two new projects, one retirement (with two more likely), and one
graduation.
Imperius has voted to retire. Others are likely to follow (see below).
LibCloud is proposed for graduation t
he reporting
schedule, and also the April report, and see that Celix did report in April,
as scheduled.
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I will be doing it tonight for Thursday's meeting.
Missing: Bluesky, Celix, Delta Cloud, HCatalog, HISE, LibCloud (up for a TLP
vote, but we still need a report), and SIS.
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