r. What are the
prospects of JSPWiki ever making it out of incubation?
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juanpa...@apache.org> wrote:
> The Apache JSPWiki team is pleased to announce the release of JSPWiki
> 2.9.1-incubating from the Apache
hat would meet Commons' criteria rather than
one that will need changing yet again on graduation.
A lot of people both within and outwith the ASF know the name OGNL, so
unless there's a pressing need, it would make sense to keep it.
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> On 08.04.2011 09:26:43 Simone Tripo
3-incubating release
> artifacts of PhotArk.
Looks good to me. +1.
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> The artifacts are available for review at:
> http://people.apache.org/~lresende/photark/M3-incubating-RC1/
>
> This includes the signed binary and source distributions, the RAT report,
> and the Mav
ay" in general and the way
meritocracy works in particular.
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> As justification, this is the process that was in place some years ago
> and it worked fine like that, there is the "experiment" currently in
> place with some poddlings doing this which se
:
http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/struts2-xwork.html
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then? My changes are
still not live.
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> - Original Message
>> From: sebb
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Sun, April 11, 2010 7:17:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: Latest incarnation of site update?
>>
>> On 11/04/2010, Martin Co
'svn up'ed - nothing. Still nothing after
another hour. I even looked for instructions, but didn't find them
beyond what's in the README, which stops at committing the changes.
Now I'm stumped.
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On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Martin Cooper wrote:
>> Unless I'm missing something, using svnpubsub will only remove the
>> need for the second part (checkout on p.a.o), but not the first part
>> (Anakia). Peo
o approach, so there's little argument that
> making them use it for the incubator site is 'educational'.
Unless I'm missing something, using svnpubsub will only remove the
need for the second part (checkout on p.a.o), but not the first part
(Anakia). People will s
+1
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On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> Subversion is a version control system. You probably know it well as
> it is the version control system employed by the Apache Software
> Foundation.
>
> The Subversion project would like to join the
tings requires Red5 in order to function
properly? So that, if we cannot distribute Red5 as part of an ASF
distro, because of the license, we also cannot distribute a functional
OpenMeetings product? Or is there some alternative to Red5 that could
be distributed instead?
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>
>
ghout the
vote, but we can only be voting on one proposal, so which one was it?
Did people who voted early implicitly vote for people who were not on
the list at the time they voted? That doesn't sound right to me.
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> --kevan
>
>
> --
I voted on the dev@ list already, but here's my +1 as an IPMC member as well.
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On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Luciano Resende wrote:
> The PhotArk community has completed a vote on it's first milestone
> release (PhotArk M1-Incubating) and is now looking f
discussion before the project is even accepted
into incubation?
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> As I said on d...@felix and will repeat here:
>
>
>
> I don't agree about renaming the [Felix] TLP. There are so many examples of
> similar situations. I cannot believe we are t
ue. It's not
clear to me how that should be addressed when the podling is about to be
retired, but since the retired podling will still be using the XAP name, I'd
assume that we cannot just ignore it.
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> If it were up to me, I'd simply follow [1].
> In fact,
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Luciano Resende wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Martin Cooper wrote:
> > On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Angela Cymbalak >wrote:
> >
> >> I've been spending more than my fair share of time on Facebook lately.
> Are
&
ebook page. I'm certainly open to hearing
about how it might help, though.
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> Thanks,
> Angie
>
>
> At 03:05 AM 7/29/2009, Luciano Resende wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Angela Cymbalak
>> wrote:
>> > Carsten - Sorry to
+1
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 3:15 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> I would like to formally present the incubator proposal for Apache
> Wookie, a W3C widget engine with Google Wave extension
>
> The full proposal can be found at
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator
f OASIS specifications are
trademarks of the consortium. They should be used only to refer to the
organization and its official outputs."
http://www.oasis-open.org/who/trademark.php
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> 2) Apache CloudMist ("mist" has a negative meaning in German)
>
interesting to
understand the similarities and differences.
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>
> Oversight on inactive projects does not worry me. The lack of activity
> makes this a very easy task.
An issue related to XAP was raised last September and the PPMC was asked to
address it. AFAIK, the PPMC has done nothing at all since then to address
that particular
+1. I see little chance of XAP being resurrected at this point.
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> In August 2008, it was discussed that XAP had been inactive for at least 4
> months. In November 2008, we again saw issues with XAP and dis
;
>> New Maven artifacts are here:
>>
>> http://people.apache.org/~sabob/click/click/2.0.1/maven2/<http://people.apache.org/%7Esabob/click/click/2.0.1/maven2/>
>>
>
> +1
>
> In the future, would be helpful to include the svn url of the code being
> voted on...
AFAIK, you're voting on the bits in the distro, not the source code.
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>
> --kevan
Sounds very interesting. I'd especially like to see this mix of languages
and clients at the ASF.
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On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Darren Hague <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would like to propose ESME as a project for the Apache Incubator.
>
> Enterpr
A grant named "velocity tiles 2 plugin for spring myc" was recorded on
October 15th. (I assume "myc" should actually be "MVC".) There's no other
information than that in the grants file, and I'm not sure where the actual
faxes are stored. Not sure if that&
we're not all setting up accounts for one-time
use, are we? I just want to complete the check for the PhotArk podling.
TIA.
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Done.
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On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 8:06 AM, Matt Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ...for IP clearance; could someone push the updated
> site out to p.a.o?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
>
>
>
> --
ppropriate.
Similarly, the use of a server-side web framework versus directly calling
web services. There are many, many more options to consider.
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On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 7:13 PM, Brett Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Without too much thought into the rest of it just now,
be some life in WSRP4J,
> but Lokahi and XAP seem quite inactive.
XAP has been almost entirely inactive for at least the last 4 months. I
tried to kick off a discussion about its status by asking if it's dead, but
even that didn't elicit much of a response. Not sure what happens n
ogether; I hope to see the
crystallisation of both an idea and a community develop into a thriving
project here at the ASF.
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you will land on an ASF page all about XPlayer
that has a License link that displays the Apache License 2.0, whereas
XPlayer is, as I understand it, GPL licensed. That seems like a pretty
serious no-no to me.
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>
> Andrus
>
>
>
I'm a little confused, because the wiki says that the proposal is being put
on hold and that the goal is to work with the Roller community.
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CaitrinProposal
Nevertheless, if there's interest in building a Flex front end, let me
know...
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't seem to
augur well for a successful incubation.
I wonder, too, at the doggedness in trying to bring it here, rather than
simply setting up shop at Google Code or the like, and moving forward with
it there.
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es in
that space.
http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
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> If nothing happens in the interim, I propose discussing this "corner
> case" at the Incubator Hackathon in ApacheCon EU Amsterdam in a couple
> of weeks.
>
> Craig
>
> On Mar 24, 2008, at 2:
Noel specifically said "Confluence-backed web sites". A regular wiki that is
not used to create a web site does not have the same restriction, whether
it's on Confluence or MoinMoin. For the full story, see:
http://cwiki.apache.org/CWIKI/
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allowed
to do that? Can we distribute something that's potentially GPL licensed?
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. For example, where's the thread on what
should go into the 0.4.0 release? How should the 1.0 release be defined?
Is everything - architecture, design, dev process, testing, documentation -
so well nailed down for this project that the people involved don't need to
talk about it? I've been in
+1 for the name alone ;-) but it sounds like an interesting project to boot.
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> Shindig Proposal
> --
>
> = Abstract =
>
> Shindig will develop the container and backend server
i.e. with the apostrophe), which most people outside the
USA have probably never heard of. ;-)
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2) Imperio - the curse used to gain complete control of another.
>
> If anyone has an objection to either name, please let me know. Otherwise,
> we'll choose one and update the
On 9/6/07, Garrett Rooney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 9/6/07, Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On 9/6/07, Gwyn Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > While agreeing that it's something that needs looking at closely, I
ences, especially if the package was already in use before the
dependency was introduced.
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/Gwyn
>
> On Thursday, September 6, 2007, 3:49:09 PM, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm concerned about all of the 3rd party dependencies that use quite
at JSPWiki can in fact end up under
an Apache License.
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On 8/29/07, Janne Jalkanen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hello all!
>
> I am Janne Jalkanen, the lead developer of the open source wiki
> engine called JSPWiki, and I have a proposal for your en
yed simply from a war file right now), and I can offer to run
> some of the wiki sites (e.g. the sandbox, which is wiped out
> regularly) myself.
You'll need a dedicated team of people, not just one person, that is
committed to doing this on an ongoing basis.
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/Janne
> the source but only the binary (.jar), then the situation might
> be different.
It's my understanding that the same applies to both source and binary. But
you're correct that the right place to go for verification of this (or
otherwise) is legal-discuss.
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The combined
istribution to find all the
relevant licenses, and a clause such as you suggest gives no definitive
means of determining whether or not all the relevant licenses have in fact
been discovered.
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So is there a legal justification behind this that I missed? And sorry if
> I&
please. The vote will remain open for 72 hours, closing 2 July
0200 GMT.
[ X ] +1 Accept this project into the incubator
[ ] -1 No, because
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Thanks!
Phil
On 4/19/07, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
same w/ kabuki, isn't that "dead" ?
Withdrawn.
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On 4/19/07, Matthias Wessendorf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I noticed that Felix and Roller are still listed as podlings
&
On 3/15/07, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Didn't we retire this Kabuki?
It was withdrawn by the original proposers.
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It is still listed as active.
I'll check the archives if no one beats me to it. Else we should formally
retired it. And
while
I think I agree with your definition, the next obvious question is what
makes someone "a member of infrastructure"? Simply being on the infra@ list?
Being on the infra-private@ list? Something else less clear cut?
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, and if that's the case, Confluence is
inde
r to ask this question on the infra@ list, since it's a
lot more likely that the discussion surrounding the explicit addition of
this checkbox happened there rather than here. I'm sure you'd rather have a
definitive answer rather than lots of pure speculation. ;-)
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I
sk
further. That Bugzilla doesn't have it means that we have to ask, which
generally takes longer. Documenting the policy would be fine, but removing
the checkbox would be a step backwards, IMO, especially since we
specifically asked for it to be added.
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Craig
On Nov 1, 20
riosity, did Braintree Software (www.braintree.com) not come up in your
search? They appear to be defunct, although the domain still exists, and
I
was able to pull up the current domain registration via OpenSRS.
Didn't we also agree not to use proper nouns and place names? Braintree is a
to
On 10/23/06, William A. Rowe, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Martin Cooper wrote:
> Right, but this is a proposal, not a vote.
Break, folks.
There is a REALLY basic principal from parliamentary procedure that exists
for a very good reason, to avoid long pointless debate without
ting.html>
Right, but this is a proposal, not a vote. There is no concept of a binding
+1 on a proposal.
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hackathon on Tuesday Oct 10. Is anyone else up for a
> docathon? (Or did I miss a post already suggesting one? *chagrin*)
i'll be an ocean away but i'm willing to take a day off and hook up
remotely
might be interesting to try a distributed collaborative documentation tool
You
before the committers
coming in this way will outnumber those whose committership is based on (ASF
earned) merit. It seems to me that this could change the fundamental nature
of the ASF.
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ease managers
in particular)?
Depending on what it checks, it might be useful beyond just podlings.
if so, would it be appropriate to check the source in somewhere in the
incubator public tree?
Unless it's really incubator specific, why not check it into the committers
area of the repo?
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r the change, but if they went back to
being public again, I would expect that pieces of them could be extracted
and used as they used to be.
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a worse job, either. I just have to consider day-job-time to be a non-IRC
"timezone".
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on. ;-)
It does seem pretty strange to be naming software after a city, though.
Apache Tokyo, anyone? Apache New York? But if you have to pick a Scottish
city to name it after, I'd recommend Edinburgh - it's a much nicer city
anyway. ;-)
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JavaBeans Activation Framework,
ng I think of.
The first thing I think of is the JavaBeans spec.
"Glasgow - the code name for add-ins to the JavaBeans specification."
http://java.sun.com/products/javabeans/faq/faq.schedule.html
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ill be posted that are not followed up.
Personally i reckon that the events have been very
beneficial.
Have you participated in them? I'm sure people who participate feel they go
well, but I'd be more concerned about how the people who have
_not_participated feel about them.
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e difficult for those not
participating at the time to get the gist of what actually happened.
IMHO, all of the discussions, especially this early on, should be happening
on the mailing lists, to encourage more people to participate, and thus help
grow the community.
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Please
ere supposed to do, so we just used the Struts PMC + initial
committers as an informal PPMC to vote on bringing in new committers.
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>
> After vetting the new candidate, the vote can take place either on the
> PPMC list (with notice posted to the Incubator PM
t;> >> With the following votes cast:
>> >>
>> >> +1 Sam Ruby
>> >> +1 Garrett Rooney
>> >> +1 Paul Fremantle
>> >> +1 Davanum Srinivas
>> >> +1 Yoav Shapira
>> >> +1 Jim Jagielski
>> >&g
number of occasions before).
With all that said, here's my
+1
+1 from me too. I'll also be interested to see the direction this takes.
I was very tempted to volunteer as mentor #3, but the timing is wrong right
now for me to devote adequate time for that. I will, however, undoubted
On 5/24/06, James M Snell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ok, so here are a few of the name options that seem to be the safest (in
no particular order)
Iaea (adapted, of course, from the U.N. nuclear watchdog group)
Anu (Dims suggestion, sanskrit for "atom")
Atomico (Spanish
t the ASF, since Roller has one already. Simply calling it
Atom implies it has some special status, especially in the phrase you use
above (i.e. "The Apache Atom Implementation"). So I would not be in favour
of that name.
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Garrett Rooney wrote:
> On 5/22
ico (italian for atomic)
- Apache Atomique (frensh for atomic)
And the kicker: Apache Schmelzverfahren (german word for fusion) !!
Yoav, I just can't understand why people haven't jumped on your suggestions
before! ;-)
There's also Atomate, a play on automate.
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Martin Cooper commented on INCUBATOR-18:
Accounts have been created, and karma granted, for John Fallows and Adam Winer.
ICLAs have NOT yet been recorded for Jonas
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Martin Cooper commented on INCUBATOR-17:
Could someone with appropriate karma please close this out? I don't seem to
have that karma. The issue has been res
on by those who are
building their web apps with other server side languages, or even dissuade
them from using it. Of course, you could always add support for other
languages as well, assuming there are no ties to Java.
My 2 cents.
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At a basic level, there's a n
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> On 17.01.2006, at 00:02, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
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> > Martin Cooper wrote:
> >
> >> whether I get involved with the Zimbra toolkit, and try to help them
> >> see the light, I need to make a personal
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> Martin Cooper wrote:
>
> > whether I get involved with the Zimbra toolkit, and try to help them
> > see the light, I need to make a personal decision between putting my
> > energy into that, here at the
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>
> Martin Cooper wrote:
>
> > I *care* about the quality of what we build here at the ASF. [X]
> > can very easily cause problems when [...]
>
> I have no problem with either of the above (redacted) sentenc
ill assume that
this must be the right way to do things.
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I am a big +1 on the ASF getting "involved" with AJAX.
Me too.
When the time's right, I'll be happy to help sponsor/mentor this project
with the idea of heading for an AJAX TLP at some point. Hope
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Jan 5, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
Martin Cooper wrote:
On 1/4/06, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So .. amidst all of our soul searching .. what'd we decide to do with
the Ajax proposal from IBM et al.?? Did
We currently use the prototype framework (one of the widely
used projects in the market, which Martin Cooper by the way doesn't
like either, due to namespacing issues). So, if Zimbra has the same
problems, we don't really have a need for the library.
Whether I like Prototype or not isn
On Thu, 5 Jan 2006, Dirk-Willem van Gulik wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006, Martin Cooper wrote:
On 1/4/06, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So .. amidst all of our soul searching .. what'd we decide to do with
the Ajax proposal from IBM et al.?? Did I miss the vote a
On 1/4/06, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Dan Diephouse wrote:
>
> > Martin Cooper wrote:
> > > Personally, I would prefer that the ASF not accept _any_ AJAX
> > > framework at this point in time. The area is relatively new
> > > and
On 1/4/06, Dan Diephouse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Martin Cooper wrote:
> > On 1/4/06, Sanjiva Weerawarana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> So .. amidst all of our soul searching .. what'd we decide to do with
> >> the Ajax propos
not.
I realise that the Incubator doesn't work that way, though, and that plenty
of people don't seem to care / mind that we'd create a (premature, IMHO) de
facto standard, but I can always hope. ;-)
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Sanjiva.
>
>
> ---
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> I realize that many might have checked-out of this thread about 200
> messages ago... if there's any interest or comment...
+1. I like it.
And I especially like the "Flooga Wagie Foo Foo" news. ;-)
Hap
ADF Faces - would
prefer that the ADF Faces donation go through the full incubation process. I
fully understand and respect your desire to close the "free committership"
loophole, but I also believe that such a substantial donation warrants full
incubation. Short of asking Oracle to keep
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> On 12/30/05, Martin Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > What would Jyve give us that Nabble doesn't do for us already - and
> without
> > us having to lift a finger, to boot?
>
> My wish
t Nabble doesn't do for us already - and without
us having to lift a finger, to boot?
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from the existing MyFaces code, until the
collective team decides how to integrate the two, or even if integrating
them makes sense, versus treating ADF Faces as a separate sub-project.
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Larry
>
>
> On 12/22/05, Martin van den Bemt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > What is the status of iBatis ? On the website (ibatis.apache.org) it
> doesn't
x27;m undoubtedly in the minority here in the incubator. But
there doesn't seem to be a way for the incubator to say "no thanks", other
than by a podling failing the incubation process, and that seems wrong to
me.
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On 12/20/05, Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
ely have no affiliation with the ASF.
Therefore, the ASF cannot provide support for those archives - their support
comes from the organisations that run them.
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As a user, I still prefer marc over mail-archives a real lot
> and am happy about any Apache project that's avail
In addition to Cliff's comments, it would also be interesting to know how
Molimo would relate to the web application frameworks at Apache, such as
Struts, Turbine, Tapestry, etc.
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hmm. I am going to post this to the incubator list as well in case someone
there can help us.
> -Original Message-
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> > RoUS wrote in the Incubator STATUS report:
> > > o We need to be very very clear about what it takes for a podling
> > > to graduate from the i
it to the
> ASF and function well in the ASF framework; ...
On the one hand, we still appear to have this as a pending issue. On the
other hand, we have everyone apparently voting +1 to graduate
MerlinDeveloper. Am I alone in feeling that this is a little odd?
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RT == Random Topic
>
> I see RT used on a few lists, I don't consider RT to convey a useful
> semantic.
The first time I saw RT was in a message from Sam (Ruby) on the Gump list,
where he expanded it as "Random Thought", meaning so
The same discussion has been going on in Jakarta Commons.
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Martin Cooper
> That seems
> uneccessary given that the sources from which the site is being
> generated are kept in CVS. Even in the event of disaster it would take
> minutes in addition to whatever other recovery work wa
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