Re: [VOTE] Accept OpenOffice.org for incubation

2011-06-13 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi, Sam Ruby wrote (10-06-11 18:02) Please cast your votes: a. - : because of the difficulties ahead, as mentioned on this list, for the OpenOffice.org product in the ASF (that may not be relevant for the AFS, but IMO are for OpenOffice.org), and since TDF for me is a more logical choice;

Re: Request: Can "proposed committers" introduce themselves?

2011-06-08 Thread Cor Nouws
Richard S. Hall wrote (08-06-11 11:03) On 06/08/2011 04:16 AM, Christian Lippka wrote: Moin Moin [1], my name is Christian Lippka and I work on the donnated code base since 1998 [..] I just wanted to say that this is one of the best messages I've read throughout this entire ordeal. Thanks.

Re: A little OOo history

2011-06-08 Thread Cor Nouws
Manfred A. Reiter wrote (07-06-11 17:51) 2011/6/7 Danese Cooper: Well...the original owner of the code, Marco Boerries, was really fond of the name OpenOffice. No other name would do. However, Sun's lawyers were not willing to endorse a name that they couldn't secure worldwide trademarks on.

Re: OOo - Lines in the sand and pre-determined conclusions...

2011-06-07 Thread Cor Nouws
Noel J. Bergman wrote (07-06-11 02:03) Michael Meeks: "I do not believe the ASF is likely to provide a good home for the OO.o project in the long run." You: I agree; you draw the same inference that I do: he means that a non-copyleft license is the reason for (predicted eventual) failure. I

Re: OOo - Lines in the sand and pre-determined conclusions...

2011-06-06 Thread Cor Nouws
Cor Nouws wrote (07-06-11 00:31) Noel J. Bergman wrote (06-06-11 23:51) Conclusion: "I do not believe the ASF is likely to provide a good home for the OO.o project in the long run." Supporting statements: [...] Supporting explanation ;-) http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox

Re: OOo - Lines in the sand and pre-determined conclusions...

2011-06-06 Thread Cor Nouws
Noel J. Bergman wrote (06-06-11 23:51) Conclusion: "I do not believe the ASF is likely to provide a good home for the OO.o project in the long run." Supporting statements: [...] Supporting explanation ;-) http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201106.mbox/browser -- -

Re: OpenOffice: were are we now?

2011-06-05 Thread Cor Nouws
robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote (05-06-11 23:25) So, it does not logically follow that if a proposal at Apache is rejected that we go to TDF/LO. After all, why would you ? -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org - To unsubscrib

Re: OpenOffice.org: Question to IBM regarding license of Lotus Symphony

2011-06-05 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Sam, Sam Ruby wrote (04-06-11 16:00) On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Cor Nouws wrote: Sam Ruby wrote (04-06-11 13:35) Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:24 AM, wrote: If yes: which licenses would IBM be willing to consider ? Is there any reason to believe that the Apache License, Version 2.0 is

Re: OOo - Lines in the sand and pre-determined conclusions...

2011-06-04 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Jim, Jim Jagielski wrote (04-06-11 19:42) I must have significantly misinterpreted the below: "However, I do not believe the ASF is likely to provide a good home for the OO.o project in the long run," Meeks said. "They are sufficiently confident and comfortable with their model that attempt

Re: OpenOffice.org: Question to IBM regarding license of Lotus Symphony

2011-06-04 Thread Cor Nouws
Ian Lynch wrote (04-06-11 14:39) On 4 June 2011 13:30, Cor Nouws wrote: Sam Ruby wrote (04-06-11 13:35) Is there any reason to believe that the Apache License, Version 2.0 is not an appropriate choice in this situation? Yes. As expressed by many on this list and elsewhere: the Apache

Re: OOo - Lines in the sand and pre-determined conclusions...

2011-06-04 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Jim, Jim Jagielski wrote (04-06-11 12:33) On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:52:48AM +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: Hmm, got that wrong I see now http://www.networkworld.com/community/apache-president-jim-jagielski-talks-openoffice-org Which is no problem for me, but obviously I misunderstood your

Re: OpenOffice.org: Question to IBM regarding license of Lotus Symphony

2011-06-04 Thread Cor Nouws
Sam Ruby wrote (04-06-11 13:35) On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 6:24 AM, Andreas Kuckartz wrote: If yes: which licenses would IBM be willing to consider ? Is there any reason to believe that the Apache License, Version 2.0 is not an appropriate choice in this situation? Yes. As expressed by many o

Re: OOo - Lines in the sand and pre-determined conclusions...

2011-06-04 Thread Cor Nouws
Cor Nouws wrote (04-06-11 01:49) Greg Stein wrote (04-06-11 01:10) That is the key difference. general@incubator is not talking to the press. It is an Apache process. Seems logic to me that you do not talk to the press about that (at this stage). Hmm, got that wrong I see now http

Re: Decades of Life (was: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal)

2011-06-04 Thread Cor Nouws
Greg Stein wrote (04-06-11 06:31) On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 21:07, Cor Nouws wrote: [Picking a random mail in this thread] I have a suggestion by the wiki-proposal. I read " Reliance on Salaried Developers ... Ensuring the long term stability of OpenOffice.org is a major reaso

Re: OOo - Lines in the sand and pre-determined conclusions...

2011-06-03 Thread Cor Nouws
Greg Stein wrote (04-06-11 02:56) rather than talk bad about Still not get that 'bad' ;-) -- - http://nl.libreoffice.org - giving openoffice.org its foundation :: The Document Foundation - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal

2011-06-03 Thread Cor Nouws
[Picking a random mail in this thread] I have a suggestion by the wiki-proposal. I read " Reliance on Salaried Developers ... Ensuring the long term stability of OpenOffice.org is a major reason for establishing the project at Apache. " Unless really relevant, I would suggest to leave tha

Re: OOo - Lines in the sand and pre-determined conclusions...

2011-06-03 Thread Cor Nouws
Greg Stein wrote (04-06-11 02:23) On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 19:49, Cor Nouws wrote: Greg Stein wrote (04-06-11 01:10) That is the key difference. general@incubator is not talking to the press. It is an Apache process. Seems logic to me that you do not talk to the press about that (at this

Re: OpenOffice and the ASF

2011-06-03 Thread Cor Nouws
Nick Kew wrote (02-06-11 17:48) Hypothetically if this donation had happened before the OOO/ODF split, can I assume that you would you have regarded it as a solution to the underlying problems and never have split? Would have been a solution for part of the problems. Not all, as may be clear

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Rob, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote (03-06-11 17:59) "Allen Pulsifer" wrote on 06/03/2011 11:45:03 AM: It is my understanding though that IBM wants to work with a project that is licensed under the Apache License, not the LGPL. If The Document Foundation is willing to change its release from

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Cor Nouws
Sam Ruby wrote (03-06-11 20:22) Unable is a strong word. I given that we are talking about historically recent contributions, I would think that it would be possible to identify and reach out to those who made these contributions. These people, after all, DO hold the copyrights. Ah yes, and p

Re: OpenOffice.org Apache Incubator Proposal: Splitting the Community?

2011-06-03 Thread Cor Nouws
Greg Stein wrote (03-06-11 19:57) Yeah... that is kind of a disadvantage for when they may choose to upgrade or modify their licensing. Read the '+' in the licence ;-) Cor (still reading my way through, and understanding in the mean time that at any moment constructive contribution is expec

Re: OOo - Lines in the sand and pre-determined conclusions...

2011-06-03 Thread Cor Nouws
Greg Stein wrote (04-06-11 01:10) That is the key difference. general@incubator is not talking to the press. It is an Apache process. Seems logic to me that you do not talk to the press about that (at this stage). Meeks is being interviewed about what's going on around libreOffice. I don't

Re: OOo - Lines in the sand and pre-determined conclusions...

2011-06-03 Thread Cor Nouws
Greg Stein wrote (03-06-11 23:48) On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 16:50, Cor Nouws wrote: I do not understand why that should be a shame. The article portrays Michael as a spokesperson for the LibreOffice community. And then Michael proceeds to denigrate the effort here. It I would not understand

Re: Blondie's Parallel Lines...

2011-06-03 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Rob, all, robert_w...@us.ibm.com wrote (02-06-11 21:34) If you claim to have 200 developers working on LO then I suspect this is with a very low level of engagement. I know several people that started with really tiny contributions for LibreOffice in the past months but just evolved to pe

Re: OOo - Lines in the sand and pre-determined conclusions...

2011-06-03 Thread Cor Nouws
Hi Jim, all, Long time OpenOffice.org contributor in various areas. Mainly LibreOffice since Sept. 2010. One of the founders there. Now looking at a Thinderbird folder with more than 300 mails, of which I've only read a few up until now :-) Living in The Netherlands, so If I skip in an hour or