Re: Bylaws != Guidelines

2024-07-03 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, By the point of time, the Incubator guidelines were introduced: - Projects were strongly encouraged not to have bylaws and to use what was documented in policy - If they wanted bylaws, they should call them guidelines The reasons for this include that bylaws cannot cover every situation, and

Re: Bylaws != Guidelines

2024-07-03 Thread Carl Steinbach
Dave, thanks for the historical context. Taking this into account, I propose making the following changes to the Default Project Guidelines document: 1) Change the title to Default Project Bylaws 2) Replace all occurrences of "guideline" with "bylaw." 3) Add language to the beginning of the docum

Re: Bylaws != Guidelines

2024-07-03 Thread Dave Fisher
Top post, but if my memory serves me properly Guidelines was used because the ASF’s ByLaws - https://www.apache.org/foundation/bylaws.html - must not be overridden by project “bylaws”. Best, Dave > On Jul 3, 2024, at 12:35 PM, Carl Steinbach wrote: > > In 2018, Justin McLean led an effort to

Re: PMC is a committee

2024-07-03 Thread Dave Fisher
> On Jul 3, 2024, at 10:36 AM, John Gemignani wrote: > > I do believe that you spelled it incorrectly, it is bikeshedding, one word. > > And, shouldn't it be, PMCM or PMCm? That makes more sense. That’s what I’m thinking too. Which makes the incubator versions PPMCM or PPMCm. Or, horrible j

Bylaws != Guidelines

2024-07-03 Thread Carl Steinbach
In 2018, Justin McLean led an effort to draft a set of project bylaws that a) apply to projects that don't have bylaws and b) serve as a convenient starting point for projects that are drafting their own bylaws. This effort ultimately resulted in the Default Project Guidelines [1] document located

Re: PMC is a committee

2024-07-03 Thread John Gemignani
I do believe that you spelled it incorrectly, it is bikeshedding, one word. And, shouldn't it be, PMCM or PMCm? That makes more sense. john On Wed, Jul 3, 2024 at 10:32 AM Craig Russell wrote: > As long as we are bike shedding: > > We have PMC: Project Management Committee > PPMC: Podling Proj

Re: PMC is a committee

2024-07-03 Thread Craig Russell
As long as we are bike shedding: We have PMC: Project Management Committee PPMC: Podling Project Management Committee MPMC: Member, Project Management Committee Craig > On Jul 2, 2024, at 23:52, Christofer Dutz wrote: > > I mean … I think I have never really been confused if someone used “PMC”

Re: PMC is a committee

2024-07-03 Thread John Gemignani
"I'd be interested to know whether there is any real semantic danger here or whether it is a flavor of Misophonia. I've personally never misunderstood someone in the context of their conversation." I would say, from the responses so far, even including the original complaint, that there is never a

Re: PMC is a committee

2024-07-03 Thread larry mccay
I'd be interested to know whether there is any real semantic danger here or whether it is a flavor of Misophonia. I've personally never misunderstood someone in the context of their conversation. If there is a real danger like a decision being made for a whole community based on someone calling th

Re: PMC is a committee

2024-07-03 Thread Dave Fisher
> On Jul 2, 2024, at 11:52 PM, Christofer Dutz > wrote: > > I mean … I think I have never really been confused if someone used “PMC” or > “PMC member” as from the context it was clear. > What however I really hate to see in emails is people using short forms LMAA, > WTF, IANAL, STFU, … this

[jira] [Closed] (INCUBATOR-284) Ask for the permission to use some Github CI action

2024-07-03 Thread Justin Mclean (Jira)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-284?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel ] Justin Mclean closed INCUBATOR-284. --- Resolution: Won't Fix Should be an INFRA ticket > Ask for the permission to use some Gith

Re: [VOTE] Accept OzHera into the ASF incubator

2024-07-03 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Hi, Justin, about the proposal, we have already mentioned that 'with > the current contributors primarily coming from Xiaomi', and also 'the > majority of core developers working on the OzHera project are salaried > by Xiaomi', which reflects the current status of the project. Yes, the prop

[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-284) Ask for the permission to use some Github CI action

2024-07-03 Thread Yu Qi (Jira)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-284?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=17862687#comment-17862687 ] Yu Qi commented on INCUBATOR-284: - [~ayushtkn] I see, thanks > Ask for the permission

[jira] [Commented] (INCUBATOR-284) Ask for the permission to use some Github CI action

2024-07-03 Thread Ayush Saxena (Jira)
[ https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-284?page=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:comment-tabpanel&focusedCommentId=17862685#comment-17862685 ] Ayush Saxena commented on INCUBATOR-284: Should create an INFRA ticket > Ask

[jira] [Created] (INCUBATOR-284) Ask for the permission to use some Github CI action

2024-07-03 Thread Yu Qi (Jira)
Yu Qi created INCUBATOR-284: --- Summary: Ask for the permission to use some Github CI action Key: INCUBATOR-284 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INCUBATOR-284 Project: Incubator Issue Type: