Hi Stain,
I used different wiki technologies for documentation in a previous project.
One of the large blockers was that it was very hard to deal with versioned
documentation, especially when dealing with many different manuals. To me,
wikis work well for documentation targetted to developers that
Yeah, we could remove the barrier by using the technology, instead of
build another barrier for the communication.
Most Chinese user barely use email for customer service, they just prefer
to interaction directly with the people. But email could be more effective
way, if we want to exchange ideas
+1 (binding)
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I cannot agree more with that.
It's not easy for the average user to understand the "mailing list rule",
all they care is to get the answer as soon as possible. If they can get the
answer from localize channel, they won't dig the mailing list. So It could
be a good way if the committer or develop
+1 (non binding)
Regards
Liang
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+1 release looks great, thanks Stian!
John
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 6:03 PM Stian Soiland-Reyes
wrote:
> The Apache Commons RDF podling has voted to release
>
> Apache Commons RDF 0.3.0-incubating RC2
>
> Vote thread:
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/d7e8d9b2276fed6b688b64d9096f02631
The Apache Commons RDF podling has voted to release
Apache Commons RDF 0.3.0-incubating RC2
Vote thread:
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/d7e8d9b2276fed6b688b64d9096f02631a66eb01aaa9dde35d31bdf1@
This forwards two IPMC binding votes from Gary Gregory and Sergio Fernández.
We now invite
Educate, trust and verify.
IMO, there shouldn't be a rule that you can't write in non-English on dev@
or user@. You just have to understand the impact of doing so. Sometimes
it will make sense to do so, other times, not. You have to know who in
your community knows what languages. In Seattle,
I guess primarily the answer is that your project should discuss this and
use whatever they are comfortable with; the incubator is not forcing any
technology. I would say that you should avoid proprietary formats (e.g.
.docx) so that anyone can contribute.
I think for developers Markdown (which is
I think we should separate language barriers for dev@ (a channel for all
its developers to agree on what the project is doing) and users@, which
could be much more diverse, but follow more of a Questions and Answer
format.
It's clear that in the Apache Way, the dev@ list should use a language that
On 11 Nov 2016 6:18 am, "Luke Han" wrote:
> It's really not easy for Chinese people, they have to find out a way to
> access
> gmail or others since there's GFW, they are not native English speakers,
> they have limited experiences for open source especially the Apache Way.
> But they are willing
James,
Could you please test it locally?
Run "ant" from the root directory, then open up
target/site/projects/metron.html in a browser.
John
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 4:52 PM wrote:
> Author: jsirota
> Date: Fri Nov 11 21:51:48 2016
> New Revision: 1000984
>
> Log:
> Publishing svnmucc operatio
Hi Woonsan,
Yes, for the user@ list. At least up to a point where inline translation is
working well and common. :)
Thanks,
Gunnar
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Woonsan Ko wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Gunnar Tapper
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Copy/paste into a Translator, which
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 3:17 PM, Gunnar Tapper wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Copy/paste into a Translator, which detected the language automatically: In
> practice, the question of the language to use from a list of diffusion is
> specious. English it the lingua franca of the 21st century.
>
> Du kan göra prec
Feel free to edit, it's still not submitted.
On Nov 11, 2016 15:42, "P. Taylor Goetz" wrote:
Yeah, they pulled their report, but their still listed in the “Summary of
podling reports” section.
-Taylor
> On Nov 11, 2016, at 3:34 PM, John D. Ament wrote:
>
> I believe they already removed thems
Yeah, they pulled their report, but their still listed in the “Summary of
podling reports” section.
-Taylor
> On Nov 11, 2016, at 3:34 PM, John D. Ament wrote:
>
> I believe they already removed themselves.
>
> On Nov 11, 2016 15:24, "P. Taylor Goetz" wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Sorry for t
I believe they already removed themselves.
On Nov 11, 2016 15:24, "P. Taylor Goetz" wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> Sorry for the late change request, but is it okay to remove Metron from
> the report front matter since they aren’t due to report this month?
>
> -Taylor
>
> > On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:12 AM, J
Hi John,
Sorry for the late change request, but is it okay to remove Metron from the
report front matter since they aren’t due to report this month?
-Taylor
> On Nov 11, 2016, at 8:12 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
>
> All,
>
> I'll be submitting this report in a couple of hours, on behalf of the
Hi,
Copy/paste into a Translator, which detected the language automatically: In
practice, the question of the language to use from a list of diffusion is
specious. English it the lingua franca of the 21st century.
Du kan göra precis samma sak med ett minoritetsspråk som svenska. Språk är
inte län
En pratique, la question de la langue à utiliser sur une liste de
diffusion est spécieuse. L'anglais est la Lingua Franca du 21ème siècle.
And if you haven't understood what I wrote in my native language, which
is understood by around 500 million people around the globe, I guess you
get my implic
What about an Apache Language Exchange TLP that would help people bridge
language barriers, all from an Apache POV. There could be language
resources, links to places, books, and whatnots that folks have found
helpful to learn a language. Perhaps even a weekly chat channel for people
to congregate
Hi,
I don't have any solutions, hence the discussion. If people show up on the
mailing lists, you see them and can do whatever makes sense. That's not the
issue.
Like Ted, I believe the friendly approach is the way to go. We're using
China as an example due to scale but I've seen language-specifi
I actually take a different tack on that.
I answer questions everywhere and provide a pointer for other fora for
followups. It gives a friendlier feeling, improves searchability and still
encourages the mailing lists.
My experience is that simply not answering and pushing the OP to the lists
has
I’m not sure that changes anything… that has been the nature of this since the
beginning.
For Apache… most happens on the mailing lists for very obvious reasons. Doing
things outside tand not bringing them to the lists is frowned upon because it
leaves the rest of the community in the dark.
Y
Regardless of the language being used, keeping discussions on-list can
be hard work. In practice it requires the core members of the
community to doggedly refuse to answer questions that are not asked in
the correct forum.
I can see how that doggedness might be perceived as rudeness. Total
specula
A few things...
1. There's a huge thriving Apache community in China that operates outside
of "everything happens on mailing lists."
2. As a committer in an incubator, I want to have insight into those
communities.
3. I need to figure out if there's anything that can be done to encourage
this clas
Thanks Shane.
I started my career with (MUCH OLDER) markup languages in text editors
where you had special tags for change bars etc.
I agree that source control help diffs for developer while word processors
provide easy ways to show diffs to the user. Wearing my UX hat, I optimize
for users and
and you got your answer…. what changes?
Jeff
> On Nov 11, 2016, at 10:44 AM, Gunnar Tapper wrote:
>
> Hang on a second. This was not a discussion about RocketMQ. I asked a
> question on the incubators list from a larger-picture perspective using
> Trafodion and RocketMQ as examples. As noted
Hang on a second. This was not a discussion about RocketMQ. I asked a
question on the incubators list from a larger-picture perspective using
Trafodion and RocketMQ as examples. As noted, neither Raynold nor I are
part of the RocketMQ incubator so let's not ding that project for opinions
expressed
Hi Luke:
This question was originally asked on the incubator list. The members list
was added somewhere on the line.
Part of the incubator challenge is to show community growth. In the past, a
good metric seems to have been to check interaction on the mailing lists;
for example, on the user list.
In a similar vein, all aviation radio communication must be conducted in
English. There is even more of an overriding need there
due to safety, but it is driven by similar realities.
In addition to historical origins, the bulk of original and continued core
participants being English only or at
> As mentioned, the Chinese users have chosen to find an alternate means
> to communicate that was invisible to the project until I heard about it.
So, I
> choose to accept reality and provided a link to the discussion group so
that
> others that wanted to discuss in Chinese knew where to go. Maybe
I mostly listen on this list, but being international I simply cannot let
this go un responded.
I never said English will bring in more users than China. I *did* say that
if you want more international/cross-border users, you will need to use a
more international language. Outside of China I wil
> On Nov 11, 2016, at 12:42 AM, Reynold Xin wrote:
> I'd avoid using the argument that English will bring more users, as it is not
> defensible and risk being interpreted as western arrogance. Afterall, three
> out of the six largest Internet companies (by market cap) are currently in
> mainla
+1 (binding)
Danese
> On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:41 PM, Bruce Snyder wrote:
>
> [ x] +1 Accept RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator
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brought to the
community. I believe that RocketMQ will be guided under the Apache way, towards
a more collaborative and global community! On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 7:03 PM,
Xiaorui Wang vintage.w...@gmail.com wrote: +1 (no binding) RocketMQ help
Alibaba dispatch Trillions of messages today(2016
For people in this particular incubator. ;)
On Nov 11, 2016 2:37 AM, "Bertrand Delacretaz"
wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Gunnar Tapper
> wrote:
> > ...Talking with other contributors, there's a clear preference to use
> Apache
> > OpenOffice for documentation
>
> *for some peopl
All,
I'll be submitting this report in a couple of hours, on behalf of the
IPMC. I don't see any changes, but I will grab the current copy from
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/November2016 .
John
On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 9:12 PM John D. Ament wrote:
> All,
>
> Below is the final draft of this
etMQ help Alibaba dispatch
> Trillions of messages today(2016), very cool project.
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Bruce Snyder wrote:
>
> > Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
> > accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
> &
Hi
I am Chinese and now leading Apache CarbonData, very happy to see CarbonData
community having the good mailing list traffic:(copy from Luke Han-2's post)
Project | Emails| Topics| Participants
HBase | 610 |406 | 100
Spark | 412
Just my 2 cents...
I do not know for English - Chinese translations. But as a French native
speaker who also speak a little bit of Japanese, my experience with
Google translate is that it can be helpful between English and French
(probably because those languages are relatively close), but is quit
health, global
direction leaded by ASF.
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Xiaorui Wang
wrote:
> +1 (no binding)
>
> RocketMQ help Alibaba dispatch
> Trillions of messages today(2016), very cool project.
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Bruce Snyder wrote:
>
> >
+1 (no binding)
RocketMQ help Alibaba dispatch
Trillions of messages today(2016), very cool project.
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Bruce Snyder wrote:
> Subsequent to the discussion on RocketMQ, I would like to call a vote on
> accepting RocketMQ into the Apache Incubator.
>
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote on 11/11/16 9:37 AM:
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Gunnar Tapper
> wrote:
>> ...Talking with other contributors, there's a clear preference to use Apache
>> OpenOffice for documentation
>
> *for some people*, right? I think many of us are big fans of creating
>
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Gunnar Tapper wrote:
> ...Talking with other contributors, there's a clear preference to use Apache
> OpenOffice for documentation
*for some people*, right? I think many of us are big fans of creating
documentation using structured text in version control repo
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Emilian Bold wrote:
> I believe the working language[1] of ASF projects is English...
That's correct, so far, it's a far more concise way of expressing what
I was trying to say ;-)
The ASF is not currently able to provide oversight on projects using
other workin
(note mixed private/public lists)
Julian Hyde wrote on 11/11/16 8:31 AM:
> I like the way that Reynold is coming at this.
>
> I am aware of the rule mandating English for discussions. But in the
> interests of having no more rules than are strictly necessary, is it
> not sufficient to tell PMCs (a
I believe the working language[1] of ASF projects is English.
1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_language
În Vin, 11 nov. 2016 la 11:13 Bertrand Delacretaz
a scris:
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Niclas Hedhman
> wrote:
> > ...there have been language specific mailing lists in the
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> ...there have been language specific mailing lists in the past, but they tend
> to be short-lived...
I think an important distinction is between a project's dev list,
which is where project decisions must be made. That one must currently
be
On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 7:45 AM, Reynold Xin wrote:
> Adding members@...
Please don't cross-post, especially not between private and public list.
general@incubator is a a fine place to have this discussions.
-Bertrand
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To uns
On Thu, 2016-11-10 at 12:00 -0700, Gunnar Tapper wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Using the RocketMQ proposal to start a larger discussion.
>
> Apache Trafodion is another project that has a lot of contribution from
> China.
>
> One of the struggles I've seen is that the contributors aren't that active
> on ema
I like the way that Reynold is coming at this.
I am aware of the rule mandating English for discussions. But in the interests
of having no more rules than are strictly necessary, is it not sufficient to
tell PMCs (and PPMCs): "Do whatever you believe will engage the largest
possible community."
+1, nice project.
At 2016-11-11 13:51:04, "ji luo" wrote:
>+1
>
>2016-11-11 12:55 GMT+08:00 Luke Han :
>
>> +1 (binding)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Best Regards!
>> -
>>
>> Luke Han
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Hao Chen wrote:
>>
>> > +1, good luck.
>> >
>> > - Hao
>> >
>>
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