Hi guys,
batchee community voted the 0.4-incubating good to release, here is the
time for general@ to vote on it as well
dev@ result:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/batchee-dev/201609.mbox/browser
Here is the release note: https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/ReleaseNote.
jspa?project
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 5:57 AM, David Nalley wrote:
> ...My guess is, based on Daniels estimate, that
> first year is 13-30k - each year thereafter is 3-10k per year in costs..
Are these estimates sufficient for our infra team to give us their ok
to proceed with the NetBeans vote, or do you guys
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 9:21 PM, Ate Douma wrote:
> ...It looks to me we are ready for voting on this proposal, as soon as the
> infra assessment and discussion around it has been settled as well
I agree with that, and now that the infra estimation is in (in another
thread on this list) we sh
>
> My guess is that the first 6 months is the most expensive as it
> involves a lot of time from infrastructure to migrate resources or
> figure out alternatives. My guess is, based on Daniels estimate, that
> first year is 13-30k - each year thereafter is 3-10k per year in costs
> (whether those
Hi,
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Geertjan Wielenga
wrote:
> ...The vote on this proposal is explicitly not tied to contact being
> made to everyone for inclusion on the initial contributors list...
I agree with that, I guess what Roman would like to see is a statement
that you guys have made
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 2:30 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > From my point of view, voting on the proposal should not happen until
> this
> > has been done, working on it now, approaching people to ask them to be
> > added to the list, and will be writing mails to NetBeans mailing lists.
>
> Than
On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 6:52 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
> But if you are thinking 100 people, I'd try to get it down to 40-ish.
Seems like a very random number. In the case of NetBeans, that would mean
we'd have few others on the list than those from Oracle, which is not what
we want -- instead, we
IMO, the only things to consider for the initial committers list are:
If you leave someone off the list:
- it takes bit longer to get their next commit into the repo.
- that person may be have hurt feelings as to why some other person is on
the list.
(so don't leave off the person who can quickly
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 8:35 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> Excellent cliff notes, and I'm really glad to see us surfacing the
> issues - and costs - of incubating such a large podling.
>
> Question: do you have a rough forecast of how long this expense/extra
> infra burden will last? I.e. is this li
Greg wrote:
>Second big example is SourceForge.net hosting the AOO binaries.
If you are going to cite AOo as an example, then
http://templates.services.openoffice.org/ provides an example of how
easily things spin out of control,
when third parties take primary responsibility for distribution of
Geertjan Wielenga wrote on 9/25/16 6:05 PM:
> On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 11:58 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
>
>
>> Having a third party run a service under an Apache brand requires working
>> with VP Brand.
>
>
> Indeed, this is something we're going to need to do. I.e., there will be
> existing NetBeans
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 6:18 AM, Geertjan Wielenga
wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Shane Curcuru wrote:
>
>
>> Correct. The whole point of Incubation at Apache is to show that the
>> community can learn to self-govern by following Apache processes - and a
>> key point of self-governance
On 2016-09-25 17:45, Ross Gardler wrote:
You seem to have taken my comment as an indication that I have concerns one
way or the other. That is not the case.
What I'm saying is that to make a
case for extra budget there needs to be solid justification that a move to
ASF will help the community
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>...
> scenario. I am sure other Apache projects have similar arrangements and
> this will not be new for Apache in any way.
>
Yeup. The most obvious example being repo.maven.apache.org pointing to
Maven
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 11:58 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> Having a third party run a service under an Apache brand requires working
> with VP Brand.
Indeed, this is something we're going to need to do. I.e., there will be
existing NetBeans services that Apache will not be hosting. The clearest
case
On Sep 24, 2016 23:08, "Geertjan Wielenga"
wrote:
>
> Yes, excellent work and many thanks for the time taken on this, Daniel.
For
> anyone reading this -- do note that these are preliminary findings based
on
> the current infrastructure of NetBeans, which is going to be very
different
> under Apac
Le 25/09/16 à 05:22, Geertjan Wielenga a écrit :
> It really is impossible for us to follow all the (in many cases
> contradictory) advice we have been given re the initial contributors list.
And this is the reason you have mentors and a champion. Follow their
advices, you'll be fine (because if s
I never said comparative use.
---
Twitter: @rgardler
From: Bertrand Delacretaz
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 1:47:38 PM
To: Incubator General
Subject: Re: Preliminary NetBeans cost findings (was: [DISCUSS] Apache NetBeans
Incubator Proposal)
Le 25 sept. 2016
On Sep 24, 2016 9:51 AM, "Emilian Bold" wrote:
> > Which brings us to another question:
> > If the commits just referenced a bugzilla ticket, do we also like to
> > migrate the bugzilla content over?
> > Or at least keep it browsable somewhere?
> >
>
> I would want to keep as much of the context/h
On Sep 25, 2016 01:18, "Justin Mclean" wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > E.g., no forums in Apache, for example.
>
> A mailing list can be mirrored to a nibble forum if it helps [1] I know
of several projects who do that.
The asf has a service - lists.apache.org -which does exactly this.
Automatically. For e
Hi Geertjan,
You have already noticed that at Apache we don’t all speak with one voice. Even
those who have literally been here for years may appear to disagree on the
details, while I expect most agree on the broad strokes.
Kudos for taking all the advice and proposing a plan to move this prop
On 2016-09-25 17:20, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Ate Douma wrote:
and not all committers are required to commit :-)
That is interesting. Can you explain more about that?
What I meant to say is that at the ASF we also value and honour merit based on
things oth
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 2:27 PM Mark Struberg
wrote:
> +1
>
> This is almsot a worst case calculation.
> I too think that we will be able to cut down costs seriously as we do not
> need 10 servers anymore.
>
> E.g. we can share the OSX box with OpenOffice, the GIT repo will get cut
> down and the
+1
This is almsot a worst case calculation.
I too think that we will be able to cut down costs seriously as we do not need
10 servers anymore.
E.g. we can share the OSX box with OpenOffice, the GIT repo will get cut down
and the traffic is mostly offloaded to github.
We might be able to offloa
Le 25 sept. 2016 18:50, "Geertjan Wielenga" <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> a écrit :
>... In all fairness, it's simply impossible to prove the comparative usage
of
> one development tool over another.
>
> I'm also concerned that this is a discussion point at all in this
context
So am I.
Geertjan,
That sounds like a very nice and workable plan.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Sep 24, 2016, at 23:22, Geertjan Wielenga
> wrote:
>
> It really is impossible for us to follow all the (in many cases
> contradictory) advice we have been given re the initial contributors list.
>
> Here's
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 5:32 PM, John Ament said:
So the concern I raised to Geertjan was that he had committers
> listed who had never committed to Netbeans previously, but was excluding
> people who used to commit to Netbeans.
For the record, no one was being excluded. The original approach ta
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> My only concern, if you go ahead with a vote before you get an ack, is
> that you vote in a podling that may not get the resources it needs.
I'd like to reiterate a point I have made earlier: the preliminary NetBeans
cost findings are based
On 09/25/2016 06:22 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>> ...ballpark costs, bandwidth, machines needed and so forth, and the cliff
>> notes are as follows...
>
> Thanks very much for this - it is useful and I think we should do
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> I am not opposed to Geertjan/NetBeans team refining the current list,
> but please don't delay the incubation vote by doing so.
Absolutely agree.
> And above all please avoid giving the impression that whatever list
> you come up w
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> What I'm saying is that to make a case for extra budget there needs to be
> solid justification that a move to ASF will help the community grow.
This is the first I've heard of this.
My one data point is http://pages.zeroturnaround.com/Re
Hi Daniel,
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote:
> ...ballpark costs, bandwidth, machines needed and so forth, and the cliff
> notes are as follows...
Thanks very much for this - it is useful and I think we should do that
for any "big" podling that comes in, from now on.
> ...Th
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 1:25 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> ...when I was a VP of Incubator a few years
> ago I had to deal with a formal escalation brought to the ASF level
> by somebody who felt unduly left out of that initial list of committers...
The way I would deal with the is politely expla
My last sentence below is too terse... I know NetBeans is a different project
to AOO. I should not draw a direct comparis0on between the two projects. I hope
we can avoid a long thread on how Net Beans is more attractive to developers
than other end user projects. However, my more general point
I do not sign the check, but I am responsible for the budgets of the
foundation. I'm not saying I would not consider such a request (and you could
go straight to the board if I did). I'm saying a case needs to be made rather
than a simple request for cash (see other mail).
As for the numbers, u
You seem to have taken my comment as an indication that I have concerns one way
or the other. That is not the case. What I'm saying is that to make a case for
extra budget there needs to be solid justification that a move to ASF will
help the community grow. The ASF is not a magic bullet, there
John,
Will try to respond in line.
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 2:59 AM John McDonnell
wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
> I am a netbeans user that has been following this thread since the
> proposal was announced and I am a little fascinated with this whole
> process, it seems rather interesting...
>
> Althoug
Geertjan,
This is a sound plan.
On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 11:22 PM Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> It really is impossible for us to follow all the (in many cases
> contradictory) advice we have been given re the initial contributors list.
>
> Here's what I propose:
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Ate Douma wrote:
> and not all committers are required to commit :-)
That is interesting. Can you explain more about that?
Also, we have done a call for people who want to be added to the initial
contributors list and will be adding a few more -- these are all
On 2016-09-25 12:15, Ate Douma wrote:
On 2016-09-25 05:22, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
It really is impossible for us to follow all the (in many cases
contradictory) advice we have been given re the initial contributors list.
Hi GeertJan,
I've gone through this whole thread again and IMO there r
Hi,
The Apache SAMOA team is proud to announce the release of Apache SAMOA
version 0.4.0-incubating.
Apache SAMOA is a platform for mining big data streams. It provides a
collection of distributed streaming algorithms for the most common data
mining and machine learning tasks such as classificati
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 4:08 AM, Emilian Bold
wrote:
>...
> alone could pull in ads the cost of infrastructure (although ASF might have
> a policy against ads, etc, etc)
>
We never run ads. Ever.
Just hang on a day or two, for us to *really* review these costs. Look at
Daniel's subject: "Prelim
I'm happy to add and have Suneel join me as mentor for Apache Streams.
I can't find anything about this: Is there any formal process or voting needed
before I make this so?
Ate
On 2016-09-23 19:51, Suneel Marthi wrote:
-
Thanks everyone for the feedback, we'll fix the rat for the next release.
There seem to be some random test failures, we are investigating the causes.
-- Gianmarco
On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 2:04 PM, Stian Soiland-Reyes
wrote:
> My vote: 0 (non-binding)
>
> +1 tag/commit
> +1 git vs source zip
> +
On 2016-09-25 05:22, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
It really is impossible for us to follow all the (in many cases
contradictory) advice we have been given re the initial contributors list.
Hi GeertJan,
I've gone through this whole thread again and IMO there really isn't so much
contradictory advic
Ross Gardler is the current president of the ASF so in a way he does sign
the check and should be worried about these things.
Still, the number of Java developers is only growing and they need an IDE
and NetBeans is a major IDE with 1.5 million individual users! This number
is probably conservativ
On Sun, Sep 25, 2016 at 1:16 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>
> Don't make the request until the IPMC can present an argument that a move
> of NetBeans to the ASF will reverse the decline in interest that NetBeans
> is seeing.
OK, we do need to see the basis for that assertion. I think the only thing
th
Hi Wade,
first of all, don't worry too much at this point, having discussions and
trying to grasp the scope and what we get into is very normal at this
point.
more comments inline...
On 25.09.2016 05:03, Wade Chandler wrote:
[...]
Do no other Apache projects have plugins or distribution nee
On 25.09.2016 08:59, John McDonnell wrote:
[...]
I have contributed defect fixes for JClouds in the past, and from what
I see on this project is that there's an GitHub repo that allows
people to contribute PR's, but theres also a ASF repo, which the
contributors actually merge in the PRs from Git
First, I think we need to see the data you are referring to. Anecdotally
the NB community seems to be growing. We are certainly competing with more
projects such as VS Code and others in recent years. However, given reviews
over the past many years of Java IDEs, NB has consistently been in the top
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