Re: Podlings and the ASF maturity model (was: Reform of Incubator...)

2015-08-05 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Of course there are... CD40 - podlings may not have this prior to coming ASF, hence the full history might not be available. RE40 - interesting clause in itself, both the "can be" and the caveat in it "no guarantee". IMHO, shouldn't be there at all. QU20 - Highly subjective as noted in footnote

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-05 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 8:43 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > I honestly see no problem with that, again provided that the artifact can NOT > be confused with the one coming from Apache project. I think the "problem" lies in Trademarks. Debian's Tomcat7 is labeled "Servlet and JSP engine" and its To

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-05 Thread Ted Dunning
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > >> Let us put that last part a step up... Let us assume someone takes one > of > >> the released sources of one of the java projects out there, makes maven > >> artifacts out of it and publishes them at maven central. Is that ok? I > mean

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-05 Thread Ralph Goers
> On Aug 5, 2015, at 5:44 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:22 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: >> >>> It was also mentioned here, that for example publishing snapshot builds to >>> maven central is not allowed. I guess i

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-05 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:22 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: > Am 03.08.2015 21:46, schrieb David Nalley: >> >> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Jochen Theodorou >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> some of the general discussion recently made me wonder about one point >>> with >>> regards to binary distr

Re: apache binary distributions

2015-08-05 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 1:08 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:22 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: > >> It was also mentioned here, that for example publishing snapshot builds to >> maven central is not allowed. I guess in the release document they are >> basically to be handled as nigh

[DISCUSS] Apex Incubation Proposal

2015-08-05 Thread Amol Kekre
I would like to start a discussion on DataTorrent's core engine and its operators joining the ASF as an incubating project under the name Apex. The proposal is available on the wiki here: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ApexProposal The text of the proposal is also available at the end of this

Re: Podlings and the ASF maturity model (was: Reform of Incubator...)

2015-08-05 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 12:43 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 12:24 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton > wrote: >> ...I understand the maturity model to be something to aspire to and that >> Apache Projects >> will always be working toward it. I mean TLPs, not podlings, altho

Re: third party tooling.

2015-08-05 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > Roman Shaposhnik wrote in reply to jan i: > >> I'm not aware of any policy like that. That said, I'd say the rule in my book >> is very close to Linux packaging guidelines. Open source software *must* >> be bootsrappable from source using *o

Re: third party tooling.

2015-08-05 Thread Marvin Humphrey
jan i wrote: >> I want to make sure I have not overlooked a policy or rule. Corinthia is not required to be compatible with any particular platform. Consider why this is desirable: one might provide open source code which only works with a proprietary compiler, and then someone else might take yo

Re: third party tooling.

2015-08-05 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 1:50 PM, jan i wrote: > On 5 August 2015 at 22:46, Dennis E. Hamilton > wrote: > >> I don't have an answer about tooling with respect to the need for >> widely-available tools. If the concern is for ability to use free tools on >> Windows, but there are alternatives to req

Re: third party tooling.

2015-08-05 Thread jan i
On 5 August 2015 at 22:46, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I don't have an answer about tooling with respect to the need for > widely-available tools. If the concern is for ability to use free tools on > Windows, but there are alternatives to requiring an expensive commercial > IDE for users while s

RE: third party tooling.

2015-08-05 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I don't have an answer about tooling with respect to the need for widely-available tools. If the concern is for ability to use free tools on Windows, but there are alternatives to requiring an expensive commercial IDE for users while still taking advantage of the Microsoft development tool chai

third party tooling.

2015-08-05 Thread jan i
Hi. We have recently (again) on different list discussed third party libraries. Some strong opinions have been aired. So we have rules/policies for libraries but how about tooling, I have not been able to find any "do not do this" page. I am about to prepare a release for Corinthia, which is a C

RE: Podlings and the ASF maturity model (was: Reform of Incubator...)

2015-08-05 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
OK, thanks Bertrand. My recollection of the maturity-model discussion was that it is about an ideal state and not some gate, and that projects would always be correcting their state toward that defined in the model. I confirm that the current document simply characterizes what the state is for

[VOTE] Release Apache Taverna Parent 1-incubating-RC4 & Apache Taverna Language 0.15.0-incubating RC4

2015-08-05 Thread Ian Dunlop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hello, The Apache Taverna Incubator PPMC has voted +5 to release Apache Taverna Parent 1-incubating (RC4) Apache Taverna Language 0.15.0-incubating (RC4) Incubator PMC members please review and vote on this incubator release. Apache Taverna Langu

Re: Wiki access

2015-08-05 Thread Upayavira
Done. On Wed, Aug 5, 2015, at 09:59 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: > The userid is RalphGoers. > > Ralph > > > On Aug 4, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Ralph Goers > >> wrote: > >> For some reason I am not able to edit any pages on the incubator wik

Re: Wiki access

2015-08-05 Thread Ralph Goers
The userid is RalphGoers. Ralph > On Aug 4, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Ralph Goers >> wrote: >> For some reason I am not able to edit any pages on the incubator wiki. I >> could swear I used to be able to do that. Does someone have karma t

Podlings and the ASF maturity model (was: Reform of Incubator...)

2015-08-05 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 12:24 AM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > ...I understand the maturity model to be something to aspire to and that > Apache Projects > will always be working toward it. I mean TLPs, not podlings, although > podlings should be > aware of it and also aspire to it... I don

Re: Reform of Incubator

2015-08-05 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 8:50 PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > ...I may misunderstand or have lost track of how that's handled in all the > discussion... you're not alone - IMO the only way such proposals can work is based on a concise wiki page that explains the proposal and gives everybody a single re