Re: Wiki access

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Ralph Goers wrote: > For some reason I am not able to edit any pages on the incubator wiki. I > could swear I used to be able to do that. Does someone have karma to fix > this? Like all Apache wikis, the Incubator wiki had to implement whitelisting to counter s

Wiki access

For some reason I am not able to edit any pages on the incubator wiki. I could swear I used to be able to do that. Does someone have karma to fix this? Ralph - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org F

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

Hi, Just catching up on this thread. Going back a bit. >> #2 The #1 goal is achieved via mentorship. In fact mentorship is >> not even required as the case of Zest (and hopeful Yetus soon) demonstrated. Not to pick on Zest but a casual glance at the current source release shows it contains a

Re: Mail archives (was: apache binary distributions)

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 3:17 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Jochen Theodorou > wrote: > > ...Next time I will archive such mails in my mail program instead. > Learned > > something for the future... > > Markmail is pretty useful here: > > > http://incubator.markm

RE: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

Sorry, my comment was too brief. I understand the maturity model to be something to aspire to and that Apache Projects will always be working toward it. I mean TLPs, not podlings, although podlings should be aware of it and also aspire to it. I was commending the structure and clarity of t

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 9:15 AM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015, at 07:06 PM, Arvind Prabhakar wrote: > > That said, I have personally been in positions where I have seen IPMC > > members ask - and even demand things at times - that I feel are > > unreasonable requests for the podling

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

Who are the village spinsters? On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Branko Čibej wrote: > On 03.08.2015 21:51, Julian Hyde wrote: > > In my experience incubating Calcite, the “overhead” was mostly the > infrastructure and process, not politics. (If you think the incubator is > political, you haven’t

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

Can you provide a pointer to a specific example of what you mean? On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 4:06 PM, Arvind Prabhakar wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Andrew Purtell > wrote: > > > > > > ​ > > In fact, in my opinion it leads to the very unfortunate side effect of > IPMC > > ​> ​ > > feeli

Re: apache binary distributions

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 2:22 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: > It was also mentioned here, that for example publishing snapshot builds to > maven central is not allowed. I guess in the release document they are > basically to be handled as nightly builds and as such not for the general > public, thus

Re: Reform of Incubator

Sorry if it rubs the wrong way. However, we just have seen through the Ignite discussion (most recent one) the examples where personal expectations were represented as graduation requirements. It is perhaps in good faith - I am not questioning the intention. I am saying that when requirements are u

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

Along these lines, also consider using DRAT: http://github.com/chrismattmann/drat/ Think of it as RAT at scale with progress logs, Tika-based MIME file identification. Presentations, videos, and docs are on the page. ++ Chris Mattma

Re: Reform of Incubator

On Tue, Aug 04, 2015 at 02:50PM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > On 08/04/2015 02:45 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > > Sorry if it rubs the wrong way. However, we just have seen through the > > Ignite > > discussion (most recent one) the examples where personal expectations were > > represented as graduat

Re: Reform of Incubator

On 08/04/2015 02:45 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > Sorry if it rubs the wrong way. However, we just have seen through the Ignite > discussion (most recent one) the examples where personal expectations were > represented as graduation requirements. It is perhaps in good faith - I am not > questioni

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

On 4 August 2015 at 18:46, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > +1 on how to start, with the maturity model as exemplar, is an outstanding > idea. Thanks. > > (I even have a poddling in mind for stress-testing it.) > It is clear to me, that incubator offer many advantages...but our current overweight to

RE: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

+1 on how to start, with the maturity model as exemplar, is an outstanding idea. Thanks. (I even have a poddling in mind for stress-testing it.) - Dennis -Original Message- From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2015 05:57 To: Incubator Ge

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > It's hard to get the balance right between appropriate oversight and > unwanted meddling. No argument there. I'm unconvinced that a restructuring of the IPMC/PPMC/Mentorship structure as it is today will solve that, though it might push it ar

RE: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

Since I +1d Romans comment I also want to draw attention to your valuable observation on the topic: "A lot of companies seem to view any friction (e.g. "actually complying with policies that put community over code") as "political overhead" that makes joining the foundation undesirable. " +1 to

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015, at 07:06 PM, Arvind Prabhakar wrote: > That said, I have personally been in positions where I have seen IPMC > members ask - and even demand things at times - that I feel are > unreasonable requests for the podling. The reason I do not challenge > those is because I feel that t

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015, at 03:13 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 3:44 AM, Joe Brockmeier wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 2, 2015, at 10:05 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > >> I've been waiting for a bout a week for other to chime in, but > >> it seems that nobody has so I'll repeat my questi

RE: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

As an immediate start to having a tool to support mentors and TLPs you might want to consider providing a Rat service. Rat is already very useful. Sent from my Windows Phone From: Daniel Gruno Sent: ‎8/‎4/‎2015 4:15 AM To: general@incu

Re: Reform of Incubator

Cos, There is no "bureaucratism outbreak". People are not "express[ing] their expectations as a law-of-the-land". People are trying, in good faith, to make sure that decisions are made consistent with the Apache ethos. And before you ask, no, that ethos cannot be written down; it has to be interpr

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

Hi Daniel, On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > On 2015-08-04 13:01, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: >>... IMO the Incubator PMC can very much own this checklist, and I >> volunteer to contribute to creating it... > If interested, I would very much like to work with you on perhaps tu

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

On 2015-08-04 13:01, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: ...Which would be totally fine and gets us back to the point Daniel and I were discussing: a release compliance team (horrible name, I know) as part of ASF IMO it's not a team that's n

Re: Reform of Incubator {was; [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator)

On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:33 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > ...Which would be totally fine and gets us back to the point Daniel and I were > discussing: a release compliance team (horrible name, I know) as part of > ASF IMO it's not a team that's needed, just a clear and "modular" release chec

Re: apache binary distributions

Hi, On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: > ...It was pointed out, that a binary > distribution of a source code release has to be handled like a release > itself, and that there should be no download source of it outside of apache. > This seems to be one motivation for the asf

Mail archives (was: apache binary distributions)

On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: > ...Next time I will archive such mails in my mail program instead. Learned > something for the future... Markmail is pretty useful here: http://incubator.markmail.org/search/?q=from%3ATheodorou+list%3Aorg.apache.incubator.general And the

Re: apache binary distributions

Am 03.08.2015 21:46, schrieb David Nalley: On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Jochen Theodorou wrote: Hi all, some of the general discussion recently made me wonder about one point with regards to binary distributions. It was pointed out, that a binary distribution of a source code release has to

Re: apache binary distributions

sorry, I really tried, but it seems google is not a suitable tool to search through the incubator general list. It shows by far not all results it should show. There is a hint that some results are not shown because of privacy protection. Searching for my own name for exmaple shows only a singl