RE: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

Wow this thread has got out of control. I'm not even going to pretend that I have tried to read all this while at OSCON (though I have skimmed much of it). Instead I want to make one statement and make one request of the Ignite mentors. First the request: Can active mentors please make a clear

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

Congratulation - this is the longest [DISCUSS] thread on a podling graduation in the last 4 years (since ACE). Musta be some sort of record or something! Cos On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 04:36PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote: > Hello Apache Incubator, > > At the suggestion of our mentors the Ignite commun

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Branko Čibej wrote: > > > Obviously it's good practice to post the outcome of offline chats to the > > dev@ list for further discussion. On the other hand, I've not seen any > > major feature appear in the Ign

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

// Putting my Ignite mentor hat on I apologies for not chiming in on this thread earlier. I am at OSCON and my connectivity is extremely limited. Thus, I'd like to constrain myself to highly actionable questions on this thread. Which is: On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 7:34 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: >> Obv

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On 24.07.2015 04:31, Ted Dunning wrote: >> There's a bit of an impedance mismatch here, I agree. I insist that Jira >> is not relevant history. > > You may or may not claim that, but the fact that issue tracking is required > to be on Apache controlled resources indicates a somewhat different > res

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 07:31PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > Branko, > > Let me preface this by my thought that I feel that the JIRA's are a > valuable organizational tool in that I should be able to find the > information on a particular issue there. The Hadoop or Zookeeper JIRA's, > for instance, are

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 03:25AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > On 23.07.2015 23:42, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > > I think it had more caustic properties. Or the correct spelling is cos'tic? > > > > I never could tell them apart... > > Alright, that's enough. From senseless bean-counting to playground > fi

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Branko Čibej wrote: > > As far as off-list discussions are concerned, this is still a very big > > issue for me. Off-list discussions and design work is not forbidden, but > > it must be reflected back to the mailing list. > > I agree in principle but have to obj

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

I don't think that such implementation requires hand-holding either. On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 7:19 PM, Branko Čibej wrote: > On 23.07.2015 18:26, Ted Dunning wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > > > Concerns have been raised about the people behind the actual

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

Branko, Let me preface this by my thought that I feel that the JIRA's are a valuable organizational tool in that I should be able to find the information on a particular issue there. The Hadoop or Zookeeper JIRA's, for instance, are often models of this. Issues are discussed, reviewed, dissected

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On 24.07.2015 04:11, Branko Čibej wrote: > On 24.07.2015 03:41, Daniel Gruno wrote: >> On 07/24/2015 03:22 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: >>> On 24.07.2015 01:25, Valentin Kulichenko wrote: I do agree that our Jira handling could be better and believe that community has already responded to thes

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:59 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > If after this lengthy thread, Ignite's Mentors remain persuaded that > it's time to graduate, I hope that others will weigh that carefully. > This is a typically wise comment from Marvin. The mentors judgement does deserve strong consid

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On 23.07.2015 18:26, Ted Dunning wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > Concerns have been raised about the people behind the actual commits, >> that seems to be left open ? >>> I am not sure about this one: why there's a concern that people behind >> commits >>

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On 24.07.2015 03:41, Daniel Gruno wrote: > On 07/24/2015 03:22 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: >> On 24.07.2015 01:25, Valentin Kulichenko wrote: >>> I do agree that our Jira handling could be better and believe that >>> community has already responded to these discussions and addressed some of >>> the rai

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:25 PM, Branko Čibej wrote: > Alright, that's enough. From senseless bean-counting to playground > fights, this thread is becoming a bit off-putting. Thanks for answering so many questions at length, Brane. I think these graduation discussions on general@incubator are m

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On 07/24/2015 03:22 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > On 24.07.2015 01:25, Valentin Kulichenko wrote: >> I do agree that our Jira handling could be better and believe that >> community has already responded to these discussions and addressed some of >> the raised concerns. The truth is that so far many Jir

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On 23.07.2015 23:42, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > I think it had more caustic properties. Or the correct spelling is cos'tic? > > I never could tell them apart... Alright, that's enough. From senseless bean-counting to playground fights, this thread is becoming a bit off-putting. -- Brane > On T

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On 24.07.2015 01:25, Valentin Kulichenko wrote: > I do agree that our Jira handling could be better and believe that > community has already responded to these discussions and addressed some of > the raised concerns. The truth is that so far many Jira discussions have > happened on the dev list, in

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On 24.07.2015 00:03, Pierre Smits wrote: > And we also have keep in mind that the project not only there for those > with privileges. Focus on that subset of the community isn't building > healthy, successful projects. This is the second time on this thread that you've implied that there are peopl

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Valentin Kulichenko < valentin.kuliche...@gmail.com> wrote: > Do all issues get discussed on the dev list? I would say we are very close > to it. Yes, of course, there is some Skype communication given that the > project is very complex and the team is distributed.

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

Hi Ted, I think the main question here, is whether Ignite community fully following the Apache Way, or in other words has an active meritocratic community which is open and makes it easy for people to join. In my opinion, absolutely Yes. The project guidelines are fully documented on the website

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

> On Jul 23, 2015, at 6:23 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > > But before we go down that path I want to ask folks who have expressed factual > concerns to chime in once more and confirm which of those weren't addressed > yet, if possible. I completely agree. Enumerating the remaining, unaddresse

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

Taylor, I agree with you - there's no rush in the graduating of course - the community and the mentors were in the consensus that the project is ready for it. However some of the points that lead to the perpetuation of the thread were obvious non sequitur, like the "63%" one. The others were very

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

Spending additional cycles in the incubation phase should never pose a problem. Especially not with the number of IPMC members as high as it is. It is more about doing the right thing, than the easy or the fast. It is not a race, not a competition. And it shouldn't be about surpassing the latest m

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

It seems to me that some valid concerns have been raised regarding Ignite’s readiness to graduate. Is there a rush for Ignite to graduate? If there is, and the reason for that rush is anything other than “the excitement and pride of becoming a TLP”, then it might be indicative of an additional

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

I think it had more caustic properties. Or the correct spelling is cos'tic? I never could tell them apart... On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:26PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > Your comment came across as antagonistic. > > Nuff said. > > Pierre Smits > > *ORRTIZ.COM * > Services & So

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

Your comment came across as antagonistic. Nuff said. Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Services and Retail & Trade http://www.orrtiz.com On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > Well, you ma

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

Well, you made a fact-less observation, and I called you on it. How exactly is it insulting? Which part of CoC has been violated? Cos On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:04PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > Konstantin, > > Your remark is insulting and uncalled for. Please refrain from such actions > and apply som

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

Konstantin, Your remark is insulting and uncalled for. Please refrain from such actions and apply some people skills in line with the code of conduct of the ASF. Best regards, Pierre Smits *ORRTIZ.COM * Services & Solutions for Cloud- Based Manufacturing, Professional Ser

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:19PM, Ted Dunning wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 09:29AM, Ted Dunning wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Konstantin Boudnik > > wrote: > > > > > > > Looks like now we can put "git branch de

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 09:29AM, Ted Dunning wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Konstantin Boudnik > wrote: > > > > > Looks like now we can put "git branch deletion data loss" fiction to > rest. > > > > > > > I think that I

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 09:29AM, Ted Dunning wrote: > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > > > Looks like now we can put "git branch deletion data loss" fiction to rest. > > > > I think that I am willing to say that the entirely reasonable git branch > detail loss QUESTI

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:16AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:31 AM, Pierre Smits > wrote: > > > Apart from the above, the podling could and should do a bit more regarding > > building an open, transparent project. Having done a cursory review of the > > mailing list archi

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 03:31PM, Pierre Smits wrote: > When we're talking about this podling having gained 'committers many from > outside the company that donated the code', I wonder who we are talking > about. > > The reports to the IPMC show only numbers (3 in March 2015) and no names. > And f

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > Looks like now we can put "git branch deletion data loss" fiction to rest. > I think that I am willing to say that the entirely reasonable git branch detail loss QUESTION has been answered. I don't think that recasting it as a fictio

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 12:19 AM, Branko Čibej wrote: > >> Concerns have been raised about the people behind the actual commits, > that > >> seems to be left open ? > > I am not sure about this one: why there's a concern that people behind > commits > > aren't the same ppl as making the fixes? Am

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:31 AM, Pierre Smits wrote: > Apart from the above, the podling could and should do a bit more regarding > building an open, transparent project. Having done a cursory review of the > mailing list archives of the podling I have found no announcements of > organisational c

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On 23.07.2015 15:31, Pierre Smits wrote: > When we're talking about this podling having gained 'committers many from > outside the company that donated the code', I wonder who we are talking > about. > > The reports to the IPMC show only numbers (3 in March 2015) and no names. > And for what it is

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

When we're talking about this podling having gained 'committers many from outside the company that donated the code', I wonder who we are talking about. The reports to the IPMC show only numbers (3 in March 2015) and no names. And for what it is worth, the June 2015 report shows a link ( https://

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On 22.07.2015 22:10, Pierre Smits wrote: > @Branko: are referring to TEZ in your last posting, or Ignite? I'm a mentor for Ignite; this thread is about Ignite; of course I'm talking about Ignite. > If you are talking about ignite, have a look at: > http://markmail.org/search/incubator.ignite+list

Re: [DISCUSSION] Graduate Ignite from the Apache Incubator

On 23.07.2015 03:11, Konstantin Boudnik wrote: > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 01:50AM, jan i wrote: >> Concerns have been raised about a off-list issue system, that seems to be >> left open ? >> Concerns have been raised about the people behind the actual commits, that >> seems to be left open ? > I am