Re: Incubator report sign-off

2014-12-22 Thread Niclas Hedhman
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > 1. get rid of IPMC altogether and move to the pTLP model > 2. make this a poddling issue: if a poddling fails to hunt down ALL > the mentors for a sign-off -- reject its report > 3. patch the current process with star

Re: Votes for git repos - commit id vs tag

2014-12-22 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 6:14 PM, Ryan Blue wrote: > Given that there is confusion on this, I think we should decide whether it > is required or not and update the docs to be more clear. Does that require a > vote? Although many consider it best practice for release tarballs to be tied back to a

Re: Votes for git repos - commit id vs tag

2014-12-22 Thread Ryan Blue
On 12/20/2014 04:07 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 7:16 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote: ...Releases are the tarball(s) prepared by the release manager, not a pointer into the source control system Agreed. I also agree with Brane about the pointer into source code control

Re: Incubator report sign-off

2014-12-22 Thread Branko Čibej
On 22.12.2014 17:42, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > Thus, to me, the choice is really about #1 and #3. So perhaps, the > path forward is to try #3 first and then, if things don't improve, go > all the way to #1. Please let me know what do you think. +1 >> Sure, we might reduce the number of projects c

Re: P. An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand

2014-12-22 Thread Louis Suárez-Potts
> On 22 Dec 2014, at 11:29, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > Aren't there loads and loads of presos, webinars, slides > etc from various ApacheCons and other FOSS conf's which > detailed the Apache Way? These would be where? And, if we don’t already have a “place” for them (including just a gallery

Re: Incubator report sign-off

2014-12-22 Thread Ted Dunning
I am down with this, but would really rather allow reports that have less than all of the mentors signing off to be accepted. Right now, I am involved in mentoring a new podling and at least one other of the mentors has done literally nothing. No email answers, no help editing the proposal. No s

Re: Incubator report sign-off

2014-12-22 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
+1, this makes sense to me, Roman. For #3, please feel free to use my apachestuff code: http://github.com/chrismattmann/apachestuff/ in particular, incubator_mentor_tally, the latest results of which are here: https://github.com/chrismattmann/apachestuff/blob/master/incubator-mentors- tally.txt

RE: Incubator report sign-off

2014-12-22 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
+1 -- in reply to -- From: shaposh...@gmail.com [mailto:shaposh...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Roman Shaposhnik Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 08:42 To: general@incubator.apache.org Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off Hi! before answering Ross' proposal, I'd like to remark that I was holding o

Re: Incubator report sign-off

2014-12-22 Thread jan i
On Monday, December 22, 2014, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > Hi! > > before answering Ross' proposal, I'd like to remark that I was holding > off on replying to see whether viewpoints that we haven's seen before > would emerge. It seems that they didn't. It seems that we're still limited > by the foll

Re: Incubator report sign-off

2014-12-22 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Hi! before answering Ross' proposal, I'd like to remark that I was holding off on replying to see whether viewpoints that we haven's seen before would emerge. It seems that they didn't. It seems that we're still limited by the following options wrt. resolving mentors AWOL issues: 1. get rid of

Re: P. An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand

2014-12-22 Thread Jim Jagielski
Aren't there loads and loads of presos, webinars, slides etc from various ApacheCons and other FOSS conf's which detailed the Apache Way? > On Dec 22, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >> What we *REALLY* want are projects >> that

Binary Convenience Package Dependencies

2014-12-22 Thread Alex Harui
Hi, I have some questions about Binary Convenience Packages: 1) In [1] it says: "the binary/bytecode package .. may only add binary/bytecode files that are the result of compiling that version of the source code release”. An Apache Flex SDK source package has a build script that downloads jars s

Re: P. An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand

2014-12-22 Thread Edward J. Yoon
Agree with Upayavira. And, I think the mentors need to be more diverse. Sometimes I can predict the result of vote. On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >> What we *REALLY* want are projects >> that are interested more i

Re: P. An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand

2014-12-22 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > What we *REALLY* want are projects > that are interested more in The Apache Way than in the > Apache Brand. What is "The Apache Way", anyway? There's no coherent, authoritative definition -- and therefore, transgressions are inevitable. Pr

Re: P. An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand

2014-12-22 Thread Joe Witt
Hello I am a very new participant in Apache and a member of the ppmc for apache nifi (incubating). So I thought it would be good to share that perspective for this discussion... In writing the NiFi proposal this section was honestly a bit awkward. The other sections are largely about providing

Re: P. An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand

2014-12-22 Thread Upayavira
I have always thought that there would be value in reviewing the topics in our project proposals. Ideally, we would review them to make sure all questions are open ended, rather than having a clear expected answer: Could we replace "Inexperience with Open Source" (which begs the answer, "No, we h

Re: P. An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand

2014-12-22 Thread jan i
On Monday, December 22, 2014, Sean Owen wrote: > I was going to ask the same. I've seen ~5 proposals now, and was > surprised to see how they all copied and pasted the same boilerplate > to answer several points, including this stanza about risk of > excessive fascination with the brand. being

Re: P. An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand

2014-12-22 Thread Sean Owen
I was going to ask the same. I've seen ~5 proposals now, and was surprised to see how they all copied and pasted the same boilerplate to answer several points, including this stanza about risk of excessive fascination with the brand. I also suspect that there is excessive fascination, and that pay

P. An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand

2014-12-22 Thread Jim Jagielski
I was wondering... What we *REALLY* want are projects that are interested more in The Apache Way than in the Apache Brand. We need to make it more clear, somehow, that new projects want to enter the ASF because they approve of, and want to follow, the *how* of creating projects and communities. Lat

Re: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "SingaProposal" by ThejasNair

2014-12-22 Thread Edward J. Yoon
Interesting! but the https://github.com/nudles/singa returns 404. And it looks like Parameter Server project is core. On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Apache Wiki wrote: > Dear Wiki user, > > You have subscribed to a wiki page or wiki category on "Incubator Wiki" > for change notification. > > T

[RESULT][VOTE] Release Apache Brooklyn 0.7.0-M2-incubating [rc4]

2014-12-22 Thread Richard Downer
The voting period has elapsed and the following votes were received: +1 (binding): Chip Childers (carried forward from vote on dev@brooklyn list) Hadrian Zbarcea Jean-Baptiste Onofré +1 (non-binding): none -1: none With 3 positive binding votes and no negative votes, the release vote passes.

Re: Incubator report sign-off

2014-12-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 5:14 PM, John D. Ament wrote: > ... is everyone OK if we mark > podlings who don't have mentor sign off as monthly?... I am ok with that - basically, a report without sign off is like a missing report. -Bertrand ---