Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-08 Thread Jake Farrell
We have a process in place which graduates a given incubating project to TLP, why add a middle layer with a pTLP? There are enough steps in the process, pTLP is not needed in my opinion. If mentors are not performing their duties to vote on a given releases for a podling, then it is up to the IPMC

Majority vs Lazy Majority

2013-11-08 Thread Alex Harui
Hi, Someday I will get back to improving the Voting and Glossary pages, but meanwhile, the Apache Flex PMC is still trying to construct a set of bylaws and we are currently discussing whether there is a difference between "Majority Approval" which is in the Glossary and "Lazy Majority" which isn'

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-08 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:54 AM, Upayavira wrote: > On Fri, Nov 8, 2013, at 08:10 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: >> IMO the IPMC cannot delegate legal oversight to a sub-committee (for >> example) unless that sub-committee consisted of members of the IPMC. The >> reason for this is hat only members of th

Re: [VOTE] Accept Twill for Incubation

2013-11-08 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Andreas Neumann wrote: > [ ] +1 Accept Twill into the Incubator > [ ] +0 Don't care. > [ ] -1 Don't accept Twill because... +1 (binding) Marvin Humphrey - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubsc

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-08 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 7 November 2013 22:22, Marvin Humphrey wrote: >> 1. Start with a Board resolution establishing a pTLP PMC seeded with IPMC >> members. >> 2. Vote podling contributors onto the PMC as they demonstrate merit. >> 3. When there are eno

Re: projects "graduated" need to tidy up

2013-11-08 Thread Jake Farrell
I've started to clean up the voter status page and have been finishing the incubator closing steps for projects that have already graduated. Updates for the projects listed below should start appearing shortly as the nightly scripts run. Hopefully these steps will make it easier for the tools to fu

[VOTE][RESULT] recommend Apache DeltaSpike for graduating out of the incubator

2013-11-08 Thread Jake Farrell
Cleaning up Apache Incubator voting status, recommend Apache DeltaSpike for graduating out of the incubator, thread was prefixed with a response therefore not picked up by the voting status page. Thread available here http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201304.mbox/%3C1364

[VOTE][RESULT] Apache Onami to become an ASF TLD

2013-11-08 Thread Jake Farrell
Cleaning up Apache Incubator voting status, Apache Onami to become an ASF TLD, Onami has already graduated from the incubator, vote thread available at http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201303.mbox/%3CCAPFNckgMS_bTMKi9LFo_LRTgWFJ0Eti9ix1fLLii6j46v%2BBgaQ%40mail.gmail.com%

[VOTE][RESULT] Accept Curator into the Incubator

2013-11-08 Thread Jake Farrell
Cleaning up Apache Incubator voting status, Accept Curator into the Incubator, Apache Curator is a TPL already. Vote thread to enter incubator was http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201303.mbox/%3C5D9C3DDD-5989-40C1-A1AA-2ECD7446C21E%40jordanzimmerman.com%3E

[VOTE][RESULT] HCatalog to Graduate and become part of Apache Hive

2013-11-08 Thread Jake Farrell
Cleaning up Apache Incubator voting status, HCatalog to Graduate and become part of Apache Hive was turned into a discussion and never resolved. Thread available here: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-general/201302.mbox/%3CB8C7BABD-352E-4ECA-A084-64AE67C47059%40hortonworks.com%

Re: [VOTE] Accept Twill for Incubation

2013-11-08 Thread Henry Saputra
+1 (binding) Good luck guys! - Henry On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Andreas Neumann wrote: > The discussion about the Weave proposal has calmed. As the outcome of the > discussion, we have chosen a new name for the project, Twill. I would like > to call a vote for Twill to become an incubated

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-08 Thread Ross Gardler
Yeah, sorry Joe. There have been many of us who tried to do this over the years. You are correct that you also championed a number of people as did some others possibly before and certainly after the ones I championed. My apologies, I didn't intend to take credit, only indicate that the IPMC as a

Re: [VOTE] Accept Twill for Incubation

2013-11-08 Thread Arvind Prabhakar
+1 (binding) Regards, Arvind Prabhakar On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Andreas Neumann wrote: > The discussion about the Weave proposal has calmed. As the outcome of the > discussion, we have chosen a new name for the project, Twill. I would like > to call a vote for Twill to become an incubat

Re: [VOTE] Accept Twill for Incubation

2013-11-08 Thread Andrew Purtell
+1 (non-binding) On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Andreas Neumann wrote: > The discussion about the Weave proposal has calmed. As the outcome of the > discussion, we have chosen a new name for the project, Twill. I would like > to call a vote for Twill to become an incubated project. > > The pro

[ANNOUNCE] Apache Stratos 3.0.0-incubating is released

2013-11-08 Thread Lahiru Sandaruwan
Hi all, The Apache Stratos (incubating) team is pleased to announce the first release of Apache Stratos, 3.0.0-incubating. Apache Stratos is a PaaS foundation that supports polyglot environments including PHP, MySQL, and can be extended to support many more. Apache Stratos is also the foundation

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Accept Twill for Incubation

2013-11-08 Thread Gord Tanner
I also have a software lib named twill that is not dead: https://npmjs.org/package/twill https://github.com/gtanner/twill (Not that I am suggesting a name change ;)) On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Andreas Neumann wrote: > Andrea, > thanks for the link, we did see that project but thought that

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Accept Twill for Incubation

2013-11-08 Thread Andreas Neumann
Andrea, thanks for the link, we did see that project but thought that it is not relevant because it has not had any activity for 6 years, so it is probably dead. Should we be more concerned about this? -Andreas. On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: > On 07/11/2013 Andreas Neum

Re: [VOTE] Release of Apache Allura (incubating) v1.0.1

2013-11-08 Thread Dave Brondsema
On 11/8/13 6:17 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote: > On 11/04/2013 07:09 PM, Cory Johns wrote: >> Hello, >> >> This is a call for a vote on Apache Allura 1.0.1 incubating. This is our >> second attempt at an initial release, which specifically addresses the >> concerns raised in the previous, cancelled vote.

Re: [VOTE] Release of Apache Allura (incubating) v1.0.1

2013-11-08 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 11/08/2013 07:52 PM, Dave Brondsema wrote: > On 11/8/13 6:17 AM, Daniel Gruno wrote: >> On 11/04/2013 07:09 PM, Cory Johns wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> This is a call for a vote on Apache Allura 1.0.1 incubating. This is our >>> second attempt at an initial release, which specifically addresses the

Re: [IMO] There are no Incubator issues

2013-11-08 Thread Eric Johnson
"Welcome to the community. Go read the wiki. Follow the mailing list. Figure out everything else by yourself! Good luck. Let us know when you think you're ready to be a TLP." Really? One of my co-workers hit me with the line one: "Is that your best work?" Eric. On 11/7/13, 3:34 PM, Martijn

Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Accept Twill for Incubation

2013-11-08 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 07/11/2013 Andreas Neumann wrote: The discussion about the Weave proposal has calmed. As the outcome of the discussion, we have chosen a new name for the project, Twill. I would like to call a vote for Twill to become an incubated project. I used a different software named Twill in the past:

Re: [VOTE] Accept Twill for Incubation

2013-11-08 Thread Andrei Savu
+1 (binding) On Nov 7, 2013 1:04 PM, "Andreas Neumann" wrote: > The discussion about the Weave proposal has calmed. As the outcome of the > discussion, we have chosen a new name for the project, Twill. I would like > to call a vote for Twill to become an incubated project. > > The proposal is pas

Re: [VOTE] Accept Twill for Incubation

2013-11-08 Thread Arun C Murthy
+1 (binding) Arun On Nov 7, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Andreas Neumann wrote: > The discussion about the Weave proposal has calmed. As the outcome of the > discussion, we have chosen a new name for the project, Twill. I would like > to call a vote for Twill to become an incubated project. > > The propo

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-08 Thread Joseph Schaefer
No offense Ross but give me a break. While I’m glad to see my initial ideas gain so much traction in the incubator now that people no longer remember where they come from, and even are willing to falsely claim credit for them, but this whole idea of populating the IPMC with ordinary podling partic

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-08 Thread David Nalley
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:22 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: >> As soon as you step off your soapbox, be sure to provide some >> suggestions... > > When an individual makes major contributions to the incubation of a podling -- > particularly in th

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-08 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Nov 8, 2013, at 1:47 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > > Still, because my point was awkwardly crafted, I wound up singling out the > Allura team in a negative context. I apologize for my clumsiness. > And my apologies for ramping up the drama... This email came at a time when there was non-end

Re: [VOTE] Release of Apache Allura (incubating) v1.0.1

2013-11-08 Thread Daniel Gruno
On 11/04/2013 07:09 PM, Cory Johns wrote: > Hello, > > This is a call for a vote on Apache Allura 1.0.1 incubating. This is our > second attempt at an initial release, which specifically addresses the > concerns raised in the previous, cancelled vote. > > A vote was held on developer mailing list

Re: [IMO] There are no Incubator issues

2013-11-08 Thread Upayavira
Whoops. Wrong email. Oh well. Creating that video was fun anyway. Upayavira On Fri, Nov 8, 2013, at 10:42 AM, Upayavira wrote: > Thanks for that! > > Here's another that someone posted: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EfnGMEjgK4&feature=youtu.be > > Upayavira > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2013, at 06:4

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-08 Thread Upayavira
On Fri, Nov 8, 2013, at 08:10 AM, Ross Gardler wrote: > IMO the IPMC cannot delegate legal oversight to a sub-committee (for > example) unless that sub-committee consisted of members of the IPMC. The > reason for this is hat only members of the IPMC are recognized by the > board > and thus only

Re: [IMO] There are no Incubator issues

2013-11-08 Thread Upayavira
Thanks for that! Here's another that someone posted: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EfnGMEjgK4&feature=youtu.be Upayavira On Fri, Nov 8, 2013, at 06:49 AM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Martijn Dashorst > wrote: > > The short guide to graduation: do the work, see it

Re: [VOTE] Accept Twill for Incubation

2013-11-08 Thread Tom White
+1 Tom On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 9:04 PM, Andreas Neumann wrote: > The discussion about the Weave proposal has calmed. As the outcome of the > discussion, we have chosen a new name for the project, Twill. I would like > to call a vote for Twill to become an incubated project. > > The proposal is pa

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-08 Thread Dave Fisher
Sent from my iPhone On Nov 7, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > On 7 November 2013 11:20, Ted Dunning wrote: > >> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Marvin Humphrey >> wrote: >> >>> The Incubator has a fundamental structural flaw: it lacks a mechanism to >>> reward merit earned by indiv

Re: [IMO] There are no Incubator issues

2013-11-08 Thread ant elder
Ha ha ha ha. Does the same also apply to maintaining the records, for clutch, the vote monitoring and other tools, signing reports, writing reports for that matter, and all the other aspects of the incubator - all of that might get done eventually one day if people can ever find the time, don't mak

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-08 Thread Ross Gardler
IMO the IPMC cannot delegate legal oversight to a sub-committee (for example) unless that sub-committee consisted of members of the IPMC. The reason for this is hat only members of the IPMC are recognized by the board and thus only IPMC members have binding votes. That doesn't prevent social conv

[RESULT][VOTE] Graduate Apache Marmotta as TLP

2013-11-08 Thread Jakob Frank
Hi all, after more than 72hrs the vote about graduating the Marmotta podling as a TLP passes with 9 +1s, 8 of those from IPMC members: Bertrand Delacretaz (IPMC) Andy Seaborne (IPMC, Marmotta Champion) Fabian Christ (IPMC, Marmotta Mentor) Alexei Fedotov Nandana Mihindukulasooriya (IPMC, Marmotta

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-08 Thread Ross Gardler
As one of the mentors singled out I fully appreciate your very reasonable explanation of your motives. On top of that those mentors do have thick skins. No harm done, I'm sure. Ross Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Senior Technology Evangelist Microsoft Open Technologies, Inc. A subsidiary of Microsoft

Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards

2013-11-08 Thread Ross Gardler
On 7 November 2013 22:22, Marvin Humphrey wrote: > > > Concretely, there are several possible implementations. > > There's this pTLP variant: > > 1. Start with a Board resolution establishing a pTLP PMC seeded with IPMC > members. > 2. Vote podling contributors onto the PMC as they demonstr