Re: [DISCUSS] PodlingBillOfRights

2013-06-16 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Joseph Schaefer wrote: > The typical escalation path is either board@ or board-private@ assuming > private messages > to the chair are ineffective. Most of the time, for most of our projects, > this has worked well enough. So isn't learning this bit of informa

Re: [DISCUSS] PodlingBillOfRights

2013-06-16 Thread Joseph Schaefer
The typical escalation path is either board@ or board-private@ assuming private messages to the chair are ineffective. Most of the time, for most of our projects, this has worked well enough. The real issue for the IPMC boils down to the judgement call of whether the standard escalation proced

Re: [VOTE] Accept Stratos proposal as an incubating project

2013-06-16 Thread Samisa Abeysinghe
+1 (non-binding) On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Milinda Pathirage < milinda.pathir...@gmail.com> wrote: > +1 (non-binding) > > Thanks > Milinda > > > On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Lahiru Sandaruwan > wrote: > > > +1 (non-binding) > > > > > > On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Jim Jagielski

Re: [DISCUSS] PodlingBillOfRights

2013-06-16 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > Since I realize that most of you can't be > bothered to look at the wiki page I created ;-), > I'll go ahead and post the current content > here for commentary. I hope the bulk of it > is non-controversial, though some of it may > not belong

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache ODF Toolkit 0.6-incubating(RC6)

2013-06-16 Thread Florian Hopf
Hi, the voting period has passed but we had another IPMC +1 from our mentor Nick Burch on odf-dev. Our other mentor Yegor seems to be pretty busy currently so it would be great if somebody else could have a look at the release candidate. Regards Florian On 06.06.2013 07:43, Florian Hopf wr

Re: [VOTE] Accept Stratos proposal as an incubating project

2013-06-16 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Greg Stein wrote: > Please don't apologize for a change that is proper and Right. In fact, > when you look at the *actual* change, it is awesome. It is a clear > benefit for the podling and project, and a demonstration of WSO2's > generosity around the trademarks

Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman

2013-06-16 Thread Joseph Schaefer
I'll grant you that it is an imperfect analogy, but I have no idea why you continue to make such a fuss about things we've all come to accept about roles and responsibilities of a chair. Nobody is questioning the traditional role you seek for yourself, and you can take comfort in the idea that

Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman

2013-06-16 Thread Marvin Humphrey
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 12:38 PM, Joseph Schaefer wrote: > This argument reminds me of the current debate in Congress about whether or > not military sex offense reporting should remain within the chain of > command. Proponents argue that it's hard to hold commanders accountable if > they aren't e

Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman

2013-06-16 Thread Alex Harui
On 6/16/13 10:36 AM, "Alan Cabrera" wrote: > >On Jun 15, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Joseph Schaefer >wrote: > >> This is a suggestion that has come up in the past, and the typical >>counter-argument is that this is something the chair needs to provide >>themselves. >> >> Sent from my iPhone > >The us

[VOTE] Release Apache jclouds 1.6.1-incubating, RC3

2013-06-16 Thread Andrew Bayer
Hello, This is the third release candidate for Apache jclouds 1.6.1-incubating, the first jclouds release at Apache. This is the IPMC vote. The PPMC vote passed, with three +1s from mentors (David Nalley, Olivier Lamy, and Suresh Marru). It fixes the following issues: https://issues.apache.org/j

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Eric Tschetter is a new committer for Apache Curator

2013-06-16 Thread Joe Stein
Yeah! Congrats Eric!!! A fantastic library and great addition to keeping it awesome! On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 4:47 PM, Jordan Zimmerman wrote: > The Project Management Committee (PMC) for Apache Curator has asked Eric > Tschetter to become a committer and we are pleased to announce that he has >

Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman

2013-06-16 Thread Joe Schaefer
Baby steps- let's see how the role evolves here in the incubator before trying to do something foundation-wide.  At this point it's still not clear that the role is even desirable by the rest of the IPMC. - Original Message - > From: Alan Cabrera > To: general@incubator.apache.org > Cc:

Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman

2013-06-16 Thread Alan Cabrera
Not a lot of power. Just a designated safe person to bring issues up with. I trust the relevant, empowered, parties in the ASF to work with the ombudsman to resolve the issues in a confidential safe manner. Regards, Alan On Jun 16, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > Yeah I get that

Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman

2013-06-16 Thread Alan Cabrera
I think that it would be a great idea to have an ASF wide ombudsman instead. There's been a few times where I've been personally asked to watch the goings on in another project by a committer, or ASF member, to provide an outside opinion as to what's going on, only to receive the ire of the proj

Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman

2013-06-16 Thread Joe Schaefer
Yeah I get that, but I'm wondering what sort of power we'd impart to the position besides information gathering.  It might make an interesting complementary position to the chair that's more directly focused on the Incubator as it presents itself to podlings, which is something we recently discusse

Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman

2013-06-16 Thread Alan Cabrera
On Jun 15, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Joseph Schaefer wrote: > This is a suggestion that has come up in the past, and the typical > counter-argument is that this is something the chair needs to provide > themselves. > > Sent from my iPhone The usual reason for an ombudsman is to have a safe third pa

Re: [DISCUSS] PodlingBillOfRights

2013-06-16 Thread Upayavira
FWIW, I read it, and liked it. I would support something like this in terms of making it clearer what we are promising to podlings. I guess a question that it would be worth clarifying - what happens to a perfectly reasonable podling who's mentors resign/go awol, when the Incubator PMC cannot recr

[ANNOUNCE] Eric Tschetter is a new committer for Apache Curator

2013-06-16 Thread Jordan Zimmerman
The Project Management Committee (PMC) for Apache Curator has asked Eric Tschetter to become a committer and we are pleased to announce that he has accepted. Eric Tschetter is the lead architect of Druid, Metamarkets' distributed, in-memory database. He held senior engineering positions at Ning

Re: [VOTE] Accept Stratos proposal as an incubating project

2013-06-16 Thread Milinda Pathirage
+1 (non-binding) Thanks Milinda On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Lahiru Sandaruwan wrote: > +1 (non-binding) > > > On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > > > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Ross Gardler > > wrote: > > > > > I would like to invite the IPMC vote to accept the

[DISCUSS] PodlingBillOfRights

2013-06-16 Thread Joe Schaefer
Since I realize that most of you can't be bothered to look at the wiki page I created ;-), I'll go ahead and post the current content here for commentary.  I hope the bulk of it is non-controversial, though some of it may not belong on the page...

Re: [PROPOSAL] Mandatory podling exit interviews

2013-06-16 Thread Joe Brockmeier
On Sat, Jun 15, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > I'm not keen on this one. I don't like surveys and I don't like mandatory > activities for volunteers. Yet, Apache does have mandatory reporting for podlings and TLPs. It's not like this is particularly onerous. (Note, I read the proposal as

Re: [VOTE] Accept Stratos proposal as an incubating project

2013-06-16 Thread Lahiru Sandaruwan
+1 (non-binding) On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 6:27 PM, Jim Jagielski wrote: > > On Jun 14, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Ross Gardler > wrote: > > > I would like to invite the IPMC vote to accept the Stratos proposal [1]. > > > > I want to clarify that this vote is for the Stratos project to enter > > the incu

Re: [VOTE] Accept Stratos proposal as an incubating project

2013-06-16 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Jun 14, 2013, at 5:49 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: > I would like to invite the IPMC vote to accept the Stratos proposal [1]. > > I want to clarify that this vote is for the Stratos project to enter > the incubator as a standard podling under the existing incubation > policy. The acceptance or ot

Re: [VOTE] Accept Stratos proposal as an incubating project

2013-06-16 Thread Olivier Lamy
+1 (binding) 2013/6/15 Ross Gardler : > I would like to invite the IPMC vote to accept the Stratos proposal [1]. > > I want to clarify that this vote is for the Stratos project to enter > the incubator as a standard podling under the existing incubation > policy. The acceptance or otherwise of the

Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman

2013-06-16 Thread Ross Gardler
Good point. For non-incubator problems they shouldn't limit themselves to the incubator. They should be (and are) on the relevant committees. For me the ombudsmen would be the people that speak for the incubation process and point those suffering from ISSUE 01 in the right direction. Again I refe

Re: [PROPOSAL] Mandatory podling exit interviews

2013-06-16 Thread Alexei Fedotov
I believe a set of automatically generated monthly metrics including a number of commits, total number of letters to the project mail list and number of mentor letters to the list will give a good picture which projects experience which problems. 15.06.2013 19:48 пользователь "Alan Cabrera" напис

Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman

2013-06-16 Thread Alexei Fedotov
Let me add that a TLP sometimes get confused when it faces a problem. :-) Why these problem solving superheroes should limit themselves to the incubator? 15.06.2013 19:53 пользователь "Alan Cabrera" написал: > > Problem: podlings are confused on where to go when there's a problem. > > Cause: we

Re: [VOTE] Accept Stratos proposal as an incubating project

2013-06-16 Thread Isuru Haththotuwa
+1 (non-binding) On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Greg Stein wrote: > Please don't apologize for a change that is proper and Right. In fact, > when you look at the *actual* change, it is awesome. It is a clear > benefit for the podling and project, and a demonstration of WSO2's > generosity ar