On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Christian Grobmeier
wrote:
> I have heard a few people say they "just want to mentor, without the rules
> discussion crap" (see ml). Thats perfectly OK. But what do we need them on
> the IPMC?
One of the chief responsibilities for a Mentor is performing oversigh
Hi Ross,
-Original Message-
From: Ross Gardler
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013 5:20 PM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Subject: Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters:
majority vote vs consensus)
>On 31 March 2013 17:08, Mat
On 31 March 2013 17:08, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) <
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Why is it so hard to see that the board is already watching those 22
> nascent projects in the same manner they watch the 137 TLPs?
Because they are not watching with the same manner. They are delegating a
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:13 AM, Upayavira wrote:
> The Incubator has two acute, serious problems.
>
> 1. First releases are too hard.
No surprise. This is incredible hard to read:
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.htm
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013, at 07:12 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:13 AM, Upayavira wrote:
> > We need one set who are 'incubator people' and another who are 'mentors'.
>
> Disenfranchising mentors and hoarding power within a small circle of IPMC
> aristocrats is both unworka
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 3:13 AM, Upayavira wrote:
> We need one set who are 'incubator people' and another who are 'mentors'.
Disenfranchising mentors and hoarding power within a small circle of IPMC
aristocrats is both unworkable and hypocritical.
* It is unworkable because the people who wat
On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 6:08 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) <
chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> ...Why is it so hard to see that the board is already watching those 22
> nascent projects in the same manner they watch the 137 TLPs?...
It's not.
Well, maybe it is, but up to a point. The good th
Hi Benson,
-Original Message-
From: Benson Margulies
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Date: Sunday, March 31, 2013 8:02 AM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Subject: Re: Incubator structure (was Re: Vote on personal matters:
majority vote vs consensus)
>>[..snip..]
>
>Chris M
> To summarise. The incubator *is* broken (but not necessarily beyond
> repair). We need as many mentors as we can get, and a smaller group of
> people who are delegated responsibility for the incubator. The board
> wants a group of folks to take responsibility for overseeing the early
> life of co
On Fri, Mar 29, 2013, at 01:56 AM, Chris Douglas wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Benson Margulies
> wrote:
> > Your position is that the IPMC fails to supervise. The consensus of the
> > IPMC is that this is not true. Otherwise, someone would be reading the
> > monthly report and objecti
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